[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43668281]what's wrong with drugs
you do know that the classifications in the UK for both rape and assault are way harsher than they are in america? rape in the UK is penetration of any sort with any object. assault is unlawful touching. you could literally push someone and it counts as assault
rape in the US is penetration. assault is an attempt at battery
so of course there's going to be more statistical assault and rape in the UK when the definitions incorporate millions more definable actions. do your research properly. learn to ask questions instead of taking everything you read that reaffirms your world view as truth[/QUOTE]
Rapes with objects (Actually considered rape for the past couple of years) were sexual assaults. That falls under assault. Furthermore our definition of assault tends to be fairly similar, but nobody uses assault statistics, they use AGGRAVATED assault statistics. Aggravated assault tends to be similar.
[url]http://www.bjs.gov/ucrdata/offenses.cfm[/url]
American definitions in the UCR. The NCVS (a survey of victims randomly distributed by the census bureau) uses similar definitions (intentionally). So by either of those metrics, our definitions are actually quite similar.
The United States has a notably higher homicide rate, but otherwise we actually do quite well. Especially given the cultural heterogeneity we possess. The number of violent crimes does tend to be higher in many other western nations.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43668281]
you do know that the classifications in the UK for both rape and assault are way harsher than they are in america? rape in the UK is penetration of any sort with any object. assault is unlawful touching. you could literally push someone and it counts as assault
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Maybe you should change your shit laws then so that they make a little more sense
Like seriously, if your house is being fucking ROBBED you're not allowed to shoot or use a knife on the perpetrator because it's "excessive force"?
And how do you even deal with a push being treated as assault, that's just ridiculous
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43670121]Maybe you should change your shit laws then so that they make a little more sense
Like seriously, if your house is being fucking ROBBED you're not allowed to shoot or use a knife on the perpetrator because it's "excessive force"?
And how do you even deal with a push being treated as assault, that's just ridiculous[/QUOTE]
(pushing is still assault in the us)
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43670493](pushing is still assault in the us)[/QUOTE]
Well in that case how is there a problem with the way crime is reported? This means that the ratios are correct.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43670121]Like seriously, if your house is being fucking ROBBED you're not allowed to shoot or use a knife on the perpetrator because it's "excessive force"?[/QUOTE]
Yeah crazy thought the loss of a flatscreen TV is not worth somebodies death
Savage customs, I know
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43670869]Yeah crazy thought the loss of a flatscreen TV is not worth somebodies death
Savage customs, I know[/QUOTE]
But by letting them get away with it you're only encouraging them to do it again
[editline]25th January 2014[/editline]
I mean, are you not even allowed to point a knife at them?
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43670869]Yeah crazy thought the loss of a flatscreen TV is not worth somebodies death
Savage customs, I know[/QUOTE]
They're illegally entering your home, you don't know what their true intent is.
I live pretty close to this and have a few friends who where at the mall just before this guy shot the place up. they were blowing up facebook constantly over it.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43671008]But by letting them get away with it you're only encouraging them to do it again[/QUOTE]
So should every crime carry a death sentence?
[editline]25th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=bdd458;43671024]They're illegally entering your home, you don't know what their true intent is.[/QUOTE]
Shoot first ask questions never
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43671182]So should every crime carry a death sentence?
[editline]25th January 2014[/editline]
Shoot first ask questions never[/QUOTE]
No, but you're missing the point. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to retaliate just because they're non aggressive, or they are bigger than you. I should be able to use a weapon on an unarmed, but huge robber who for all I know could break my neck if I attacked him otherwise.
In all honesty this sounds like a targeted killing. Chances are the perp probably worked there at some point. My guess is if the two dead were in a home instead of a mall we'd be looking at a homicide instead of a "mass shooting", with anyone else bring injured being in the home at the time.
[editline]25th January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43670869]Yeah crazy thought the loss of a flatscreen TV is not worth somebodies death
Savage customs, I know[/QUOTE]
I take it you've never been robbed at gun point before. Chances are if they're breaking into a home they've got a weapon of some kind. At least that's how they do it here.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;43671608]
I take it you've never been robbed at gun point before. Chances are if they're breaking into a home they've got a weapon of some kind. At least that's how they do it here.[/QUOTE]
Has one ever given thought to why they'd go armed?
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43671712]Has one ever given thought to why they'd go armed?[/QUOTE]
Because you are trying to rob someone out of desperation, and the realization that you are in a country where theirs more guns then people is a good enough reason to go armed. :v:
Also they usually pull out when fired upon because after that its no longer worth it. Robbery is one thing, armed robbery and murder is another.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;43671712]Has one ever given thought to why they'd go armed?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43672079]Because you are trying to rob someone out of desperation, and the realization that you are in a country where theirs more guns then people is a good enough reason to go armed. :v:
Also they usually pull out when fired upon because after that its no longer worth it. Robbery is one thing, armed robbery and murder is another.[/QUOTE]
That's someone thinking with a rational mind and common sense. From my experience those things are usually nonexistent in a thief or robber. Guns = Power, Power = Control. It's a lot easier to hold someone at gun point than to try and wrestle them to the ground and steal their shit. Not to mention it doesn't need to be a gun to kill you. A crowbar or baseball bat can work just fine against someone who is unarmed.
Nevermind.
I don't know whats been said since I was at work, but one of my coworker/friend knew the victims that were killed today. He was saying that the girl had started dating the other guy for about 4 months and well presumably the killer was the ex boyfriend. His father said that the girl was shot at 10 times having the right side of the body completely blasted away, basically all the shots pushed her from the dressing room all the way out of the store before the body finally fell. No word on her bf. The killer fired a total of 20 rounds and a mystery resides around his suicide. His head is gone however it appears that a different gun or caliber weapon was used to shoot himself in the head as the wound didn't match a shotgun blast.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43668048]america is shit[/QUOTE]
Brit to Brit, it ain't much better across the pond, mate.
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43667591]
you mean the one preventing people from bringing guns on school grounds? or the ability for someone to bring in a weapon purchased in another state and selling it privately? the one that just went into effect?? oh, what a travesty[/QUOTE]
Was actually an assault weapons ban to prevent things like this, guess how well it is working.
[QUOTE=lolz3;43668064]
You have 240% MORE drug use.
105% MORE rapes.
75% MORE assaults.
125% overall MORE violent crimes then us. Yeah, we are so shit.[/QUOTE]
"uncited statistics mean my argument overrides yours and yours is invalid!"
His view is that America is shit. Boo fucking hoo. He's stupid for blanket condemning something but that doesn't mean you can just go "LOL 240% more drug use!!"
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"GUNZ R EVIL THAT TELEPATHICALY TALK TO PEOPLE TO KILL AND YOU WANT THEM! NO GUNS = NO CRIME!"
Don't even try to debate man, their minds are too far gone. Let them live like that and wonder why the police don't help and they have nothing to defend themselves with.
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You're shit at this.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43668281]
rape in the US is penetration.
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Yes I would assume rape usually comes with some form of penetration.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;43674699]"uncited statistics mean my argument overrides yours and yours is invalid!"
His view is that America is shit. Boo fucking hoo. He's stupid for blanket condemning something but that doesn't mean you can just go "LOL 240% more drug use!!"
You're shit at this.[/QUOTE]
You're right, I was off it's more the 240%. Argue all you want that only what is reported can be recorded and that you have a smaller population. But wait, smaller population means less crime right?
[URL="http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime"]http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime
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[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43668281]
so of course there's going to be more statistical assault and rape in the UK when the definitions incorporate [b]millions more definable actions.[/b][/QUOTE]
citation needed
[QUOTE=dwt110;43667004]obligatory post noting how many shootings we have had in the US so far this year[/QUOTE]
As many as the media want to continue to make stories about. it's the news' attention that makes it sound that much more common
[QUOTE=lolz3;43676402]You're right, I was off it's more the 240%. Argue all you want that only what is reported can be recorded and that you have a smaller population. But wait, smaller population means less crime right?
[URL="http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime"]http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime
[/URL][/QUOTE]
You obviously don't understand why you're shit at this.
"Blah blah blah they disagree as fervently as me that makes them brainwashed and fucking dumb ignore them their argument is invalid"
Are you even aware of irony? The concept of hypocrisy? The strawman fallacy?
[editline]27th January 2014[/editline]
By the way, [I]my[/I] opinion is that most first-world countries are shit in general, so I don't really give a toss about your statistics. I was just pointing out your argument is literally as retarded as the people you're slighting.
(I'm aware that this probably makes me as retarded as you.)
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;43676957]I'm so sorry my nation doesn't live up to the standards of a nation that only has 63.23 million people in it, and happens to be an island, and happens to never have had a need for firearms, nor has it ever expressed interest in their use. I'm so sorry that your country has decided that the best way to get rid of crime is to ban things, and i'm especially sorry that you can't carry a knife in public unless you justify its existence.
Yes your country must be so much better than ours, woe is us to have ever had to break away from such a shining example of a country.[/QUOTE]
You can do sarcasm here, but you don't know sarcasm there?
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;43668142]sure. there's a couple flaws.
first, you're ignoring real world inequality. person a, who has money, is able to purchase a firearm to defend themselves, especially against those who have firearms. person b, who does not have money, is not able to purchase a firearm and is thus thoroughly screwed. you cre[/QUOTE]
guns can be less than a hundred dollars. Only the absolute very lowest tier cannot afford them and they have nothing to defend in the first place.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43668048]america is shit[/QUOTE]
do you realize that you can't generalize a country of 350 million fucking people split up into 50 different miniature fucking countries or are you just that short sighted
[QUOTE=Cockslap;43688658]
do you realize that you can't generalize a country of 350 million fucking people split up into 50 different miniature fucking countries or are you just that short sighted[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;43668413]i'm only joking really. i've been to america a few times and there's many places i'd be very happy to live if i had the money
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[QUOTE=Drsalvador;43686121]You obviously don't understand why you're shit at this.
"Blah blah blah they disagree as fervently as me that makes them brainwashed and fucking dumb ignore them their argument is invalid"
Are you even aware of irony? The concept of hypocrisy? The strawman fallacy?
[editline]27th January 2014[/editline]
By the way, [I]my[/I] opinion is that most first-world countries are shit in general, so I don't really give a toss about your statistics. I was just pointing out your argument is literally as retarded as the people you're slighting.
(I'm aware that this probably makes me as retarded as you.)[/QUOTE]
You're calling me brainwashed and you just said yourself that you do not care at all about facts because it's a First World Country so it's automatically a bad country. You can wear your ass as a hat your head is so far in it.
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