[QUOTE=plunger435;37815018]It's not that big of a deal, the government still hates Assange as before, just they finally admit it publicly.[/QUOTE]
No, now they can prosecute people for what is essentially treason or betrayal for contacting a member of wikileaks for any reason.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37815100]No, now they can prosecute people for what is essentially treason or betrayal for contacting a member of wikileaks for any reason.[/QUOTE]
Or even worse, Wikileaks sympathizers.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37815100]No, now they can prosecute people for what is essentially treason or betrayal for contacting a member of wikileaks for any reason.[/QUOTE]
How would they even know if you contacted them, and only Assange in an enemy of the state, not other wikileaks members.
[QUOTE=plunger435;37815256]How would they even know if you contacted them, and only Assange in an enemy of the state, not other wikileaks members.[/QUOTE]
"THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States"
[QUOTE=yawmwen;37815272]"THE US military has designated Julian Assange and WikiLeaks as enemies of the United States"[/QUOTE]
But didn't list the members names.
And the US isn't the first to do this, the UK has already arrested Wikileaks backers publicly before. The Dutch haves done the same, and Turkey is actively trying to arrest any members as well.
How dare someone force transparency in the government, he must be a terrorist
Quick, let's all pretend to act shocked and surprised that the guy who released classified government files is being declared an enemy of that same government.
Woah! How dare they!
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;37815419]Quick, let's all pretend to act shocked and surprised that the guy who released classified government files is being declared an enemy of that same government.
Woah! How dare they![/QUOTE]
By that logic, Bob Woodward should be in jail right now.
So this means they can go ahead assassinate him with some CIA death squad, or launch a covert drone strike (not caring about the host country's sovereignty), or keep him at some illegal detention facility with trial indefinitely till he dies?
:v:
libelous
the military doesn't decide who the enemy is
congress does
this just means that anyone that speaks to him is now also a terrorist
and probably sanction good old drone attacks
[QUOTE=Dr.C;37814171]So what does the US stand to gain from this? Anyone who researches Assange for a minute will find out that he's just a figurehead and killing him does nothing. I'm sure the government knows this too. Or are they just trying to get revenge and save face since wikileaks humiliated them and their friends?[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing it's less about wikileaks and more about leaks in general. The people behind wikileaks may be willing to risk their life for this but most people aren't. The government probably hopes that people who have classified government information will think twice about giving that info to wikileaks after seeing what's happening to Assange.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;37815319]How dare someone force transparency in the government, he must be a terrorist[/QUOTE]
Being a whistleblower is protected by law in the United States. Even for the US military if you encounter evidence of corruption or law breaking, you can reveal it under the protection of the department of Justice.
Releasing a bunch of information which is better off secret but not illegal in any capacity, like personal opinions held by diplomatic personnel regarding their feelings toward members of foreign governments, is not protected and should indeed be prosecuted. If it contains stuff that IS bad, then great! Follow the normal legal channels and get them brought up on charges.
Complaints about transparency in a thread where the source is the Freedom of Information act strikes me as kind of silly.
EDIT:
Note that I don't think Assange is a terrorist, nor is Wikileaks a terrorist organization. Their end goals however are unobtainable. A happy medium of transparency must be obtained. Right now I can go to the police station and submit a freedom of information act form for almost any document they have, including police dash camera footage from 24 hours ago. (Any less means the footage may literally still only be in the cruiser itself.) That is pretty good. Documents, often even bad documents, are constantly showing up in the press having been obtained through this method. We have it pretty good, you just have to recognize the resources at your disposal.
He can't possibly go to Sweden now, innocent or guilty, since he'd almost definitely be sent to the US for much more serious and bullshit charges.
Not sure if anyone else will agree with me.
Sure what he hacked into is illegal but i see it as, this proves the weak points in the systems so that they could improve their security.
If you think about it, with a bit of time and concentration, anyone could go and learn how to do this stuff, just a majority of the world doesnt want to.
[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;37817212]Not sure if anyone else will agree with me.
Sure what he hacked into is illegal but i see it as, this proves the weak points in the systems so that they could improve their security.
If you think about it, with a bit of time and concentration, anyone could go and learn how to do this stuff, just a majority of the world doesnt want to.[/QUOTE]Assange isn't a hacker.
USA you will go bankrupt and collapse and your states will go to war each other because they have dumb borders and you still worry about someone in the other half in the world.
[QUOTE=WingedAssailant;37817212]Not sure if anyone else will agree with me.
Sure what he hacked into is illegal but i see it as, this proves the weak points in the systems so that they could improve their security.
If you think about it, with a bit of time and concentration, anyone could go and learn how to do this stuff, just a majority of the world doesnt want to.[/QUOTE]
Assanage didn't hack anything, people anonamously send documents to wikileaks and wikileaks publishes them.
[QUOTE=Nikota;37814235]How to get Assange out of embassy.
[img]http://puu.sh/18YRe[/img][/QUOTE]
It's a ruse, he's strolling out of the backdoor wearing a worn trenchcoat and old hat while that formation is making it's way through the police barriers.
Welp, let's just hope that if Assange manages to make it to Ecuador, the Americans don't try to hunt him in that country. Seriously, announcing that a guy is an enemy of the state whilst trying to extradite him isn't exactly cheerful encouragement; not an ideal tactic for trying to trick him either, though I guess they're done trying to trick him.
Regardless, if the dirt doesn't harm actual soldiers or civilians, and exposes the US government as asscunts, then I guess he should probably have it released.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp069Y_P-9M[/media]
So True.
We should just get rid of the constitution. Its almost as if it soesnt exist anymore.
[QUOTE=Van-man;37818933]It's a ruse, he's strolling out of the backdoor wearing a worn trenchcoat and old hat while that formation is making it's way through the police barriers.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/EP4701lg.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Fangz;37815554]By that logic, Bob Woodward should be in jail right now.[/QUOTE]
Where did I say that Assange should be in jail?
And you don't think that Woodward would've been had Nixon stayed in power?
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;37826531]Where did I say that Assange should be in jail?
And you don't think that Woodward would've been had Nixon stayed in power?[/QUOTE]
No because technicality you aren't held responsible by the law if you are not responsible for the actual info leak. Assange is a third party in this situation like Woodward.
[QUOTE=GunFox;37816818]Being a whistleblower is protected by law in the United States. Even for the US military if you encounter evidence of corruption or law breaking, you can reveal it under the protection of the department of Justice.
Releasing a bunch of information which is better off secret but not illegal in any capacity, like personal opinions held by diplomatic personnel regarding their feelings toward members of foreign governments, is not protected and should indeed be prosecuted. If it contains stuff that IS bad, then great! Follow the normal legal channels and get them brought up on charges.
Complaints about transparency in a thread where the source is the Freedom of Information act strikes me as kind of silly.
EDIT:
Note that I don't think Assange is a terrorist, nor is Wikileaks a terrorist organization. Their end goals however are unobtainable. A happy medium of transparency must be obtained. Right now I can go to the police station and submit a freedom of information act form for almost any document they have, including police dash camera footage from 24 hours ago. (Any less means the footage may literally still only be in the cruiser itself.) That is pretty good. Documents, often even bad documents, are constantly showing up in the press having been obtained through this method. We have it pretty good, you just have to recognize the resources at your disposal.[/QUOTE]
This brings up an interesting question.
What if someone requests some document through the Freedom of Information Act and puts it on Wikileaks, then the fact that it's on Wikileaks gets traced back to the guy? Is he still "aiding the terrorists" or would the police care?
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