Donald Trump statement on banning Muslims from US 'disappears' from his website - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sannys;51352400]But doesn't he only want to deport illegal immigrants?[/QUOTE] thats who im talking about.

[QUOTE=Naught;51352413]thats who im talking about.[/QUOTE] I could see why people wouldn't mind them, then. I can't understand why people want emigration from countries with terrorism, though.

[QUOTE=sannys;51352437]I could see why people wouldn't mind them, then. I can't understand why people want emigration from countries with terrorism, though.[/QUOTE] it's just fearmongering. I mean, it won't actually do anything. Pretty much every terrorist attack that's happened across the world was created by people who had already been in that place for years. Even the 9/11 bombers came from canada, I think? So it's a feelgood measure, just like the TSA, that isn't really going to stop anything, and is just going to hurt actual refuges escaping their country. I'm not as against it as many other things, but it's put up there especially for people who are islamaphobic, which is a growing population of people, to feel secure, when they really aren't any more secure. Just like the wall on the border, when over 30% of illegals come by plane.

[QUOTE=Naught;51352464]it's just fearmongering. I mean, it won't actually do anything. Pretty much every terrorist attack that's happened across the world was created by people who had already been in that place for years. Even the 9/11 bombers came from canada, I think? So it's a feelgood measure, just like the TSA, that isn't really going to stop anything, and is just going to hurt actual refuges escaping their country. I'm not as against it as many other things, but it's put up there especially for people who are islamaphobic, which is a growing population of people, to feel secure, when they really aren't any more secure. Just like the wall on the border, when over 30% of illegals come by plane.[/QUOTE] But why are people outraged? These don't seem like things to be angry over, but rather, simply disagree with.

[QUOTE=The Vman;51352177] If he backpedals, he'll have set a precedent that you just need to lie to get what you want[/QUOTE] politics 101 1) promise 2) fail to deliver 3) say "at least I tried!!!" This is nothing new at all.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51352505]Because it is stupid and promotes xenophobia?[/QUOTE] If I'm understanding this right, if you are an illegal immigrant, you get deported. If you are not an illegal immigrant, you don't get deported. If you are from an islamic country, you are either prohibited from immigrating or are screened (I think he's changed what he's said a few times about this). That's not xenophobia, and it doesn't "promote" it either. If people want to hate muslims and mexicans, that's a problem with the population, not the policy.

[QUOTE=sannys;51352339]What's wrong with preventing emigration from countries rife with terrorism[/QUOTE] Because it's easy to circumvent for anyone really seeking to infiltrate the US while preventing people who are not terrorist from migrating.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51352690]Because it's easy to circumvent for anyone really seeking to infiltrate the US while preventing people who are not terrorist from migrating.[/QUOTE] That doesn't make him xenophobic or racist. Again, I'm not understanding where the anger is coming from.

[QUOTE=sannys;51352713]That doesn't make him xenophobic or racist. Again, I'm not understanding where the anger is coming from.[/QUOTE] Because he's banning a specific group despite all evidence saying that the ban won't help the problem. If it's not going to actually help the problem and impact large amounts of foreign people then for what other reason can people assume he's doing it other than xenophobia?

While this is a positive change, at the same time, he just released a statement about what he wanted to do in the first hundreds days - there he promised to shut down immigration from "terror-prone countries", so rather this is a change of wording (and feasibility) than an actual change of policy. Trump will still try to ban Muslims getting into the US, he's just trying to do it in a way where he isn't violating the constitution or being the guy actually calling for a literal ban on Muslims.

It would be like trying to say people that are in favor of banning guns aren't anti-gun because they just want to address the recent mass shootings. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] rip merge

[QUOTE=Keychain;51352150]Is it really a surprise to you that Trump will infact not be deporting millions of people? It's not even "backpedaling" as much as its him being cornered about his lies and now he has to give them up.[/QUOTE] The problem isn't that, the problem is that there was probably a ton of people who voted for him because they believed he would do this. If Trump hadn't said that he was gonna do this in the first place, he might not have gotten all those votes and maybe wouldn't even have won.

Just one of the many betrayals Trump has in store for his voters. Thankfully. He won't end up bringing back jobs. His tax plan will benefit the wealthy the most. He will put corporate cronies in his cabinet. His true elitism will shine in a few months - and people will realize that a billionaire has no genuine connection to the class struggles of his voter base. He'all back out of the wall, the mass deportations, half his economic ideas, almost everything that made his base adore him, and we'all get another establishment Republican who collapses foreign relations completely. Gives the Democrats a chance to foster a more genuine populist workers' movement for 2020, and it means his racist xenophobic policies won't actually get enforced, so I'm optimistic.

Seeing as usually Politicians do the [I]complete opposite[/I] of what they "promise" to do, I kind of hope that Trump does that as well :v: Not keeping my hopes up though.

[QUOTE=Whibble;51352170]Why are people upset about this? "this orange guy said really mean and damaging things, and now that he's being put in a leadership position, he's becoming more moderate and trying to fix what he's said" i'm no trump supporter but literally what do you want? him to continue trying to ban muslims?[/QUOTE] everyone and thing is a witchhunt nowadays

It was pretty obvious, people are overreacting Presidents aren't as powerful as you'd think except Dictators I guess those can really bring a country into hell.

The plan removed from his website was the very first version of the policy now called "extreme vetting on immigration from nations plagued by terrorism". It stopped being a generalistic "ban on muslims" a very long time ago. But hey facepunch, let's keep being arrogant about things we have no idea about because we didn't bother to check into his actual policies. Because Trump could never win r-right guys!??

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;51354349]The plan removed from his website was the very first version of the policy now called "extreme vetting on immigration from nations plagued by terrorism". It stopped being a generalistic "ban on muslims" a very long time ago.[/QUOTE] Actually [I]you[/I] seem to behind on what his plans are - now it's "an end to immigration from terror-prone countries", and extreme vetting on every other country; or at least that's what he said he'd do in the first 100 days just yesterday, but maybe he's changed his views once more. It's pretty obvious either way that Trump wanted a ban on Muslim immigration - but the thing is that A) It wouldn't in any way be feasible, as most people with half a brain pointed out back when that was his "plan" and B) It would as far as I know be unconstitutional. But yeah. [quote]But hey facepunch, let's keep being arrogant about things we have no idea about because we didn't bother to check into his actual policies. Because Trump could never win r-right guys!??[/quote] And this is basically just word poop. First of all you didn't even know his current position (I just checked, it's on his website!), though of course he makes that's pretty hard to do, and then you put some unrelated shit on the end, basically coming across extremely arrogant.

You know what'd be funny? If Trump took a complete 180 on all his stances and became the most progressive president in history. I mean, it'd never happen, but hey, fun thought.

[QUOTE=FreyasFighter;51354119]Seeing as usually Politicians do the [I]complete opposite[/I] of what they "promise" to do, I kind of hope that Trump does that as well :v: Not keeping my hopes up though.[/QUOTE] [url]https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trust-us-politicians-keep-most-of-their-promises/[/url]

[QUOTE=Whibble;51352170]Why are people upset about this? "this orange guy said really mean and damaging things, and now that he's being put in a leadership position, he's becoming more moderate and trying to fix what he's said" i'm no trump supporter but literally what do you want? him to continue trying to ban muslims?[/QUOTE] No, it's just proof that he is a demagogue and we now have no idea what he is actually planning to do with his power and that nothing he says can actually be trusted

[QUOTE=Tacooo;51354744]No, it's just proof that he is a demagogue and we now have no idea what he is actually planning to do with his power and that nothing he says can actually be trusted[/QUOTE] Don't worry though man, everything will be fine.:downs:

Is he going to remove trying to build a literal wall next?

One the one hand, Good. Not really surprising that Trump couldn't follow through on his insane rhetoric, but good nether the less. On the other hand, this just goes to show that Trump really was just stirring up racism in order to get elected. Wasn't one of the big arguments used against Clinton that she had a past of flip-flopping on issues and thus would "say whatever she needed to get elected!" and thus couldn't be trusted?. Well great because now you have that anyway. I wouldn't blame anyone for feeling completely disenfranchised by this election.

I was almost certain this position was abandoned by his campaign nearly immediately after he fired his mouth off...?

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;51354773]Is he going to remove trying to build a literal wall next?[/QUOTE] With the "plan" he's given to explain how it'll be possible, it's not that surprising that he would start a major construction project and then shaft the workers on the bill. :hurr:

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51352132]Backpedaling already? I wonder what else he was just saying to get elected then.[/QUOTE] is it possible to please you people Like, at all

[QUOTE=SirJon;51354875]is it possible to please you people Like, at all[/QUOTE] What's the issue with calling him out on backpedaling? Like sure it's a whole lot better than him going through with banning muslims, but he's still going back on his promises (thankfully).

[QUOTE=SirJon;51354875]is it possible to please you people Like, at all[/QUOTE] So either he wants to ban an entire religious group from entering the United States, or he's been lying just to get elected, or he doesn't know what he's doing and is a spineless flip-flopper. Nope I don't think I like any of those.

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;51354349]The plan removed from his website was the very first version of the policy now called "extreme vetting on immigration from nations plagued by terrorism". It stopped being a generalistic "ban on muslims" a very long time ago. But hey facepunch, let's keep being arrogant about things we have no idea about because we didn't bother to check into his actual policies. Because Trump could never win r-right guys!??[/QUOTE] When asked after the speech if it represented him backing away from his original plans for a blanket temporary ban on Muslims he said no, implying that Muslims in general would still be stopped from immigrating as well as people of whatever ethnicity from "terror-prone countries". If he is walking away from a Muslim ban then he should just say so and clear it up. The fact that he is being ambiguous about it leaves it in the air.