GOP in meltdown as Trump doubles down on judge comments
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[QUOTE=LtKyle2;50471261]I still think Trump is a clinton plant.
This is all too convenient.[/QUOTE]
On the one hand, Trump and the Clintons have a long buddy-buddy relationship of favors exchanged going back to the mid-90s, and Trump is doing his level best to drive away all the demographics the GOP needs to win over for a general election victory.
On the other, Trump has held presidential ambitions for a very long time, and I doubt his ego would let him throw the election deliberately when he has a real shot at becoming President.
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50471310]Brain Damage.[/QUOTE]
He's like the tila tequila of presidential candidates
I love Trump. He pisses everyone off and that makes me happy. Trump brings out the true colors in a lot of people on both sides and they are all ugly, but there they are all in plain sight for the world to see.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50471370]I love Trump. He pisses everyone off and that makes me happy. Trump brings out the true colors in a lot of people on both sides and they are all ugly, but there they are all in plain sight for the world to see.[/QUOTE]
That's true enough. Mitch McConnell was forced on TV to literally admit that he doesn't give a shit as long as there's a Republican in the White House:
[media]https://youtu.be/DstoTZ9HjTI[/media]
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;50471312]On the one hand, Trump and the Clintons have a long buddy-buddy relationship of favors exchanged going back to the mid-90s, and Trump is doing his level best to drive away all the demographics the GOP needs to win over for a general election victory.
On the other, Trump has held presidential ambitions for a very long time, and I doubt his ego would let him throw the election deliberately when he has a real shot at becoming President.[/QUOTE]
In a true twist of events, the election will end up with the tickets being Trump-Clinton or Clinton-Trump :v:
For god sake Trump is attacking the integrity of your judicial system and some of you still believe his bullshit. In any other country, questioning a judge or a magistrate credentials is absolutely forbidden in the political arena and would immediately be condemned.
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50471481]For god sake Trump is attacking the integrity of your judicial system and some of you still believe his bullshit. In any other country, questioning a judge or a magistrate credentials is absolutely forbidden in the political arena and would immediately be condemned.[/QUOTE]
I think someone in another thread said he could be arrested for contempt of court for this. If so, I hope it goes forward.
All Trump wanted to do was promote his businesses. How the hell did things end up like this?
[QUOTE=Streecer;50470191]lmao you're literally implying that the judge is biased against donald trump because they're Mexican, as if all Mexicans are some hivemind that share opinions or something. so the next step is that mexicans shouldn't be judges? or just on this case? how do you determine if a mexican should be allowed to be a judge on a particular case?
but obviously, pointing out how ignorant this is just means they haven't read the post, duh[/QUOTE]
IIRC he was proven to be patriotic and supportive of some immigration thing
He also awarded scholarships to illegals, and he's left. He's in La Raza.
You could argue Trump guessed but he guessed right.
Its conflict of interest and deflecting it as racist is not right, especially since if it was about race he'd be saying Hispanic/Latino.
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50470387]If I said that I really like hitler, you probably wouldn't believe me if I said I were an anarcho-communist. With good reason. That isn't "no try Scotsman", it's common sense.[/QUOTE]
And another one to the trump Godwin counter
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[QUOTE=Glitchman;50471305]If you watch any old interview of Trump, he seems like a typical savvy businessman. I wonder what happened that made him seem unpredictable, unstable, and sometimes just wrong.[/QUOTE]
Politics happened
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472408]IIRC he was proven to be patriotic and supportive of some immigration thing
He also awarded scholarships to illegals, and he's left. He's in La Raza.
You could argue Trump guessed but he guessed right.
Its conflict of interest and deflecting it as racist is not right, especially since if it was about race he'd be saying Hispanic/Latino.
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And another one to the trump Godwin counter
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Politics happened[/QUOTE]
This isn't about Trumps policies though, the court case is about his college being a scam.
Not to mention his political leaning bad no ties to this case. Do you suggest we screen out all left leaning judges and replace them with right wingers? Isn't that biased?
[QUOTE=Durandal;50470171]Devil's advocate his race/nationality has nothing to do with trumpu but Trump's incendiary remarks about Mexicans do.
That being said it was still a dumb idea for trump to bring it up. Unless he was trying to get some free airtime[/QUOTE]
He said it because he wanted a judge that's impartial. Having a La Raza judge on your case when your rallies most radical people are throwing Mexican flags an punches everywhere because you want to enforce borders would probably make you claim conflict of interest aswell.
But he should've presented those instead of say Mexican knowing that desperate people spin his words all the time
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472458]He said it because he wanted a judge that's impartial. Having a La Raza judge on your case when your rallies most radical people are throwing Mexican flags an punches everywhere because you want to enforce borders would probably make you claim conflict of interest aswell.
But he should've presented those instead of say Mexican knowing that desperate people spin his words all the time[/QUOTE]
Or it could just be that the judge made a decision in the case he didn't like, so all of a sudden he had a problem with the judge. If he really thought the judge was biased he would have brought it up at the start of the case.
This is the third time in 8 years Trump has personally called for judges to be thrown off his cases for personal bias.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50472437]This isn't about Trumps policies though, the court case is about his college being a scam.
Not to mention his political leaning bad no ties to this case. Do you suggest we screen out all left leaning judges and replace them with right wingers? Isn't that biased?[/QUOTE]
No I'm not stop pushing.
The case subject is irrelevant, he's a public figure and when the guy literally is part of groups and movements that oppose him as a person it's not a big reach to suggest he may be judged harsher.
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[QUOTE=plunger435;50472474]Or it could just be that the judge made a decision in the case he didn't like, so all of a sudden he had a problem with the judge. If he really thought the judge was biased he would have brought it up at the start of the case.
This is the third time in 8 years Trump has personally called for judges to be thrown off his cases for personal bias.[/QUOTE]
Didn't he? I remember him mentioning it right as it was opening
Something something "which we believe to be Mexican"
I remember people saying bad move because he will definitely after the comment
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I didn't even know the judge decided yet
[QUOTE=Zeke129;50470261]Then I'm guessing the only thing in that list you actually are is secular[/QUOTE]
Tell me more about myself please, I'm writing a biography.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472481]No I'm not stop pushing.
The case subject is irrelevant, he's a public figure and when the guy literally is part of groups and movements that oppose him as a person it's not a big reach to suggest he may be judged harsher.
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Didn't he? I remember him mentioning it right as it was opening
Something something "which we believe to be Mexican"[/QUOTE]
So if you're a racist, vile person, who spouts racist, vile shit in public, you obviously can't get a judge of any ethnicity other than your own due to bias, so then you're more likely to get a judge biased towards you?
Good fucking god that's not how it's supposed to work.
Sad thing is that he has a good chance of winning, because Hillary is at risk of indictment, and that'll be her death sentence.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50472498]So if you're a racist, vile person, who spouts racist, vile shit in public, you obviously can't get a judge of any ethnicity other than your own due to bias, so then you're more likely to get a judge biased towards you?
Good fucking god that's not how it's supposed to work.[/QUOTE]
So do you post entirely strawmans? He's for preventing illegal immigration and for deportation and the judge is in La Raza.
It's not rocket science.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472481]No I'm not stop pushing.
The case subject is irrelevant, he's a public figure and when the guy literally is part of groups and movements that oppose him as a person it's not a big reach to suggest he may be judged harsher.
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Didn't he? I remember him mentioning it right as it was opening
Something something "which we believe to be Mexican"
I remember people saying bad move because he will definitely after the comment
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I didn't even know the judge decided yet[/QUOTE]
That was in his statement to the press, not during the opening deliberations in the court. And yeah one of your purported claims of bias was that he was left.
Not to mention, bringing it up again, his history of doing exactly this.
The judge being Mexican had absolutely nothing to do with the case, and he's trying to set a dangerous precedent.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472507]So do you post entirely strawmans? He's for preventing illegal immigration and for deportation and the judge is in La Raza.
It's not rocket science.[/QUOTE]
Oh I get that, but are you in the habbit of ignoring arguments by handwaving them away?
I'm trying to run through your process here, but you can't do that without calling me names?
He can't get a mexican, black, or coloured judge based on your arguments, he's offended all groups in the US, so who can judge him?
What kind of judge can he get?
I literally didn't call you any names dude
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Why would I argue counter points for a point I'm not making
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472525]I literally didn't call you any names dude
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Why would I argue counter points for a point I'm not making[/QUOTE]
Whatever, just keep ignoring the fucking argument.
anything you can do to not discuss how you're trying to set a disgusting precedent
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If it's easier for you to just talk about me, go for it, I'm trying to talk about the thought process that derives from the belief that Trump can't be judged unbiasedly from anyone of colour.
Keep talking about me and not the issues though.
You're trying to get me to argue you about race and I never said anything about race
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I didn't talk about you?
If Trump can't have a Mexican judge because of the wall, he can't have a muslim one because of the ban, who can he have? What preferential treatment should he get for having been racist before?
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[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472553]You're trying to get me to argue you about race and I never said anything about race[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you fucking did.
Unless you think the mexican judge you were just making an issue out of is now irreleavent and it's just something unrelated that causes a mexican judge to be unable to pass judgement on Trump?
NCLR doesn't mean Mexican
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_La_Raza[/url]
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I mean apparently the word raza means race so I can see how that can be confused
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472573]NCLR doesn't mean Mexican
[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Council_of_La_Raza[/url][/QUOTE]
Ah so I see you're just detaching these concepts from each other to make it more digestible for yourself
A person who displays clear mexican heritage, cares about the causes latino americans go through, he's clearly too biased to judge Trump.
Who can judge Trump? Only who Trump wants to judge him?
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But clearly, race isn't an issue, and it's just bias, right
fuck sakes
Would you say the same if Al Sharpton was being judged by a member of NAAWP?
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Admittedly not ideal comparison but since you're so insistent on making this about race
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472803]Would you say the same if Al Sharpton was being judged by a member of NAAWP?
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Admittedly not ideal comparison but since you're so insistent on making this about race[/QUOTE]
You're so sure this is only about bias you've stopped thinking it could have anything else going on
Can Trump be judged by a Muslim
What's funny is Trump will "win" this just like the McCain war hero thing.
Why wouldn't they? Justice is blind, races aren't collectives. As you've said him stopping Muslim refugee programs can result in a sympathetic bias, but if they weren't part of a movement that's vindictive to Trump it's not a huge deal.
He's literally being prosecuted by a firm and a judge that's part of NCLR, a movement/collective that's a clear enemy to one of the most talked about things about Trump. That's not fair. It doesn't matter how much you hate Trump, he has a right to a fair trial just as anyone else.
Curiel was appointed by Schwarzenegger, a hero of mine, I wrote one of my biggest and most important papers in my school life on Arnie, and Curiel's born in my home state. I have every reason to be biased in his favor. But the NCLR's movement is related to a more lenient immigration policy and Trump wants to "build a wall" and deport illegals. I don't think that's an impartial mix.
I don't know a lot of judges to suggest a replacement, but I'd say it's fair for Trump to claim conflict of interest and request a replacement.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50472973]Why wouldn't they? Justice is blind, races aren't collectives. As you've said him stopping Muslim refugee programs can result in a sympathetic bias, but if they weren't part of a movement that's vindictive to Trump it's not a huge deal.
He's literally being prosecuted by a firm and a judge that's part of NCLR, a movement/collective that's a clear enemy to one of the most talked about things about Trump. That's not fair. It doesn't matter how much you hate Trump, he has a right to a fair trial just as anyone else.
Curiel was appointed by Schwarzenegger, a hero of mine, I wrote one of my biggest and most important papers in my school life on him, and he's born in my home state. I have every reason to be biased in his favor. But the NCLR's movement is related to immigration policy and Trump wants to "build a wall". I don't think that's an impartial mix.
I don't know a lot of judges to suggest a replacement, but I'd say it's fair for Trump to claim conflict of interest and request a replacement.[/QUOTE]
So then he can claim it again when/if he got a muslim judge, as he wants to ban all muslims from entering, clearly a bias there whether you acknowledge it or not
Yes he has a right to a fair trial, I do not think that this judges bias is going to eliminate a fair trial. I think if we followed your logic, Trump could argue that very few people are unbiased enough to judge him.
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