[UK] Labour support surges in Wales - 16 point shift - Polidicks

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52265457][t]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7Nj0K3X0AAsRYz.jpg[/t] Yeah I'm not sure the Tories are definitely the party to trust with ~securing brexit~, whatever the fuck that means.[/QUOTE] Unlike you I am sure, sure that Labour aren't the party to trust, for anything.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265497]Unlike you I am sure, sure that Labour aren't the party to trust, for anything.[/QUOTE] But why? Are you actually going to state any reasons? [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] May already fucked up the Brexit negotiations, and has proven to be incompetent with her infamous dinner row.

[QUOTE=Morgen;52265517]But why? Are you actually going to state any reasons?[/QUOTE] nationalisation and stronger powers for the unions is a massive disaster. Labour's 70's left wing style of economics is backward thinking and disastrous. Corbyn's past and sympathy with terrorists. he suuported terrorists and opposed the peace process. scary in this day and age. countless resignations within the party, 172 labour MP's voted they had no confidence in him not long ago, they are hardly a united party. I understand that the Try party have an abundance of flaws but Labour aren't fit for Govt under Corbyn. [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Morgen;52265517] [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] May already fucked up the Brexit negotiations, and has proven to be incompetent with her infamous dinner row.[/QUOTE] brexit negotiations don't start until 19th june though. I think the EU fucked up leaking what should have been a confidential dinner, but you see it different.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265612]nationalisation and stronger powers for the unions is a massive disaster. Labour's 70's left wing style of economics is backward thinking and disastrous. Corbyn's past and sympathy with terrorists. he suuported terrorists and opposed the peace process. scary in this day and age. countless resignations within the party, 172 labour MP's voted they had no confidence in him not long ago, they are hardly a united party. I understand that the Try party have an abundance of flaws but Labour aren't fit for Govt under Corbyn. [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] brexit negotiations don't start until 19th june though. I think the EU fucked up leaking what should have been a confidential dinner, but you see it different.[/QUOTE] 1. This is your opinion, get on a Virgin train, be charged 400% the same price for shit service and no seats and then come and say nationalisation is a bad idea 2. His policies are not 70s left wing style economics. They are the same policies being adopted across Europe. In fact, I would go as far to say they are modern policies, while the conservative policies are out-of-date and simply not working. 3. IRA regurgitated bullshit, ignoring 4. A majority of the conservatives voted for Remain, clearly they are not the party for Brexit. It works both ways 5. On Brexit negotiations - would you rather somebody who is actually a euroskeptic and believes there are problems with Europe lead the negotiations, or someone who's just chanting soundbites about it for votes?

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265612] Corbyn's past and sympathy with terrorists. he suuported terrorists and opposed the peace process. scary in this day and age.[/QUOTE] What's scary is that this bullshit has managed to become such a popular nugget of propaganda despite being so obviously false. Not only is it factually untrue, with the entire "Corbyn the traitor!" myth being originally based on twisting his peace talks with the IRA (support of peace efforts) into supporting the opposite side- but the Conservatives literally have an ex-IRA member as one of their Councillors (South Croydon iirc) and nobody seems to care?

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265612]nationalisation and stronger powers for the unions is a massive disaster. Labour's 70's left wing style of economics is backward thinking and disastrous. Corbyn's past and sympathy with terrorists. he suuported terrorists and opposed the peace process. scary in this day and age. countless resignations within the party, 172 labour MP's voted they had no confidence in him not long ago, they are hardly a united party. I understand that the Try party have an abundance of flaws but Labour aren't fit for Govt under Corbyn. [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] brexit negotiations don't start until 19th june though. I think the EU fucked up leaking what should have been a confidential dinner, but you see it different.[/QUOTE] Oh here we go again with the Tories recent renewed rhetoric of Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser. Corbyn has never opposed the peace process. He has always opposed invasive policies that marginalise groups of people, and has opted for diplomatic options rather than going and blowing people up. The Tories policies aren't working for the average person. Since the recession the rich have grown richer and the poorer have got poorer under a Tory government.

Few questions from an American, Will the horrific attack that happened yesterday change this? It's horrible to think but important. Does a huge shift in Wales portend anything in the rest of the U.K., or is it isolated?

I just want to make a point that Corybn did (as far as I know? IDK a member told me here it was true) oppose the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, which I hope he recognises was a massive mistake as that was a founding agreement in the lead up to the ceasefire in the 90s. Though I'm looking at this from a completely different, Irish perspective.

I feel bad for shitting on corbyn a while back think I read that the copeland by-election loss was due to the fault of right wing elements in the labour party pushing a shitty candidate. imagine how this fight might look if corbyn's own party elements hadn't been pushing back against him. everything truly is the right's fault, again

[QUOTE=person11;52265692]Few questions from an American, Will the horrific attack that happened yesterday change this? It's horrible to think but important. Does a huge shift in Wales portend anything in the rest of the U.K., or is it isolated?[/QUOTE] Probably. May have people voting for tories now out of fear. I feel this has likely lost the election for Labour. Also, don't read any of the replies to threads of twitter about it. They are truly fucking disgusting. [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Turnips5;52265715]I feel bad for shitting on corbyn a while back think I read that the copeland by-election loss was due to the fault of right wing elements in the labour party pushing a shitty candidate. imagine how this fight might look if corbyn's own party elements hadn't been pushing back against him. everything truly is the right's fault, again[/QUOTE] Indeed. We would probably be winning now if it wasn't for that side of Labour complaining he is so 'unelectable'. God forbid the population actually want someone with integrity.

[QUOTE=person11;52265692]Few questions from an American, Will the horrific attack that happened yesterday change this? It's horrible to think but important. Does a huge shift in Wales portend anything in the rest of the U.K., or is it isolated?[/QUOTE] When campaigns start again, you bet your ass the Tories will capitalize on people's fear of this attack to try drag them back. And the braindead British public will eat it riiiiight up. Labour are going to take a hit because of this attack and it pisses me off.

[QUOTE=Anyx;52265725]When campaigns start again, you bet your ass the Tories will capitalize on people's fear of this attack to try drag them back. And the braindead British public will eat it riiiiight up. Labour are going to take a hit because of this attack and it pisses me off.[/QUOTE] Yeah we've pretty much lost because all the momentum we were building is now gone, and probably won't come back. But I guess there's always a little hope. I'll keep trying.

[QUOTE=Morgen;52265679]Oh here we go again with the Tories recent renewed rhetoric of Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser. Corbyn has never opposed the peace process. He has always opposed invasive policies that marginalise groups of people, and has opted for diplomatic options rather than going and blowing people up. The Tories policies aren't working for the average person. Since the recession the rich have grown richer and the poorer have got poorer under a Tory government.[/QUOTE] here we go again, we hear something we don't like so it must be right wing rhetoric. but have the poor ever got richer under a labour govt? [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] here we go again the british public continually vote the opposite way to the echo chamber and once again and I quote [QUOTE]"And the braindead British public will eat it riiiiight up."[/QUOTE] i love these [I][B]debates[/B][/I]

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265806]here we go again, we hear something we don't like so it must be right wing rhetoric. but have the poor ever got richer under a labour govt?[/QUOTE] by labour government do you mean notorious liberal-centre-right war criminal tony blair?

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265806]here we go again, we hear something we don't like so it must be right wing rhetoric. but have the poor ever got richer under a labour govt? [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] here we go again the british public continually vote the opposite way to the echo chamber and once again and I quote i love these [I][B]debates[/B][/I][/QUOTE] On the flip side, did the poor get richer under the Tories? Sure love it when people get misguided by a pack of lies such as the Brexit Bus and everything uttered by Theresa Mayhem after and just before she got elected

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52265706]I just want to make a point that Corybn did (as far as I know? IDK a member told me here it was true) oppose the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985, which I hope he recognises was a massive mistake as that was a founding agreement in the lead up to the ceasefire in the 90s. Though I'm looking at this from a completely different, Irish perspective.[/QUOTE] He opposed it on the grounds that it strengthened the border, and that ultimately conflict would break out again without unified support across Ireland. Here's a quote from back then: [QUOTE="Corbyn"]Does my hon. Friend accept that the consequences of the British military presence during the past 17 years have been the Diplock courts, the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act and the methods used in Northern Ireland? The problem with the agreement is that the Republic will be forced to support and accept the barbarous methods being used in Northern Ireland.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265806]here we go again, we hear something we don't like so it must be right wing rhetoric. but have the poor ever got richer under a labour govt? [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] here we go again the british public continually vote the opposite way to the echo chamber and once again and I quote[/QUOTE] A bit like how everything you don't like is "doom and gloom! rhetoric?" Also it's a bit rich to be accusing people of being in an echo-chamber when you constantly make posts that read like the summaries of a daily mail articles. Seriously, [QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265612]nationalisation and stronger powers for the unions is a massive disaster. Labour's 70's left wing style of economics is backward thinking and disastrous. Corbyn's past and sympathy with terrorists. he suuported terrorists and opposed the peace process. scary in this day and age. countless resignations within the party, 172 labour MP's voted they had no confidence in him not long ago, they are hardly a united party. I understand that the Try party have an abundance of flaws but Labour aren't fit for Govt under Corbyn. [/QUOTE] Is this your political opinion or a short list of headlines from the daily mail/Sun?

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265806] i love these [I][B]debates[/B][/I][/QUOTE] Debate What debate I wasn't even talking to you or participating in a debate lmao

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265806]here we go again, we hear something we don't like so it must be right wing rhetoric. but have the poor ever got richer under a labour govt? [editline]23rd May 2017[/editline] here we go again the british public continually vote the opposite way to the echo chamber and once again and I quote i love these [I][B]debates[/B][/I][/QUOTE] It's literally all the Tories have been talking about all weekend. Gotta distract people while we back track on the dementia tax.

[QUOTE=Morgen;52265833]He opposed it on the grounds that it strengthened the border, and that ultimately conflict would break out again without unified support across Ireland. Here's a quote from back then:[/QUOTE] Aye but he was wrong, it hasn't strengthened the border in the end and considering there might be a border poll sometime during the next five years I think he should recognise he is wrong (if he hasn't said so before). I am no fan of what the British did in Northern Ireland, perhaps the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985 wasn't the best but it moved the peace process forward. Considering how well supported it was in Ireland I do find it strange he would have been against it.

[QUOTE=person11;52265692]Few questions from an American, Will the horrific attack that happened yesterday change this? It's horrible to think but important. [/QUOTE] Honestly, I don't think so. I lean back and forth but I ultimately don't think it will. We still have 16 days left, last year we had the far right assassinate an pro EU MP mere days before brexit and it didn't effect much. 16 days will see this attack slowly fade in people's minds and I have no doubt the Tories will keep fucking up. The tories MIGHT play the fear card but I can't see it working too well. (I hope)

Question: If one does not want the conservatives to win this election, and they lived in a county like this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/HEahB8r.png[/img] What would they best be voting? I want the conservatives to loose :v

[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;52265942]Question: If one does not want the conservatives to win this election, and they lived in a county like this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/HEahB8r.png[/img] What would they best be voting? I want the conservatives to loose :v[/QUOTE] Vote lib dem. Though likely that seat is safe for the Tories.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265806] i love these [I][B]debates[/B][/I][/QUOTE] Oh good, Maybe you should respond to one or two of the posts that disputed your claims on the previous page then, rather than stroking your victim complex with a random post you didn't like the look of from this one.

[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;52265942]Question: If one does not want the conservatives to win this election, and they lived in a county like this: [img]http://i.imgur.com/HEahB8r.png[/img] What would they best be voting? I want the conservatives to loose :v[/QUOTE] Lib Dem.

[QUOTE=Morgen;52265951]Vote lib dem. Though likely that seat is safe for the Tories.[/QUOTE] Hopefully not, after all, the lib dems won the last 3 before that... It's a pity that most of the area I live in is filled with rich old people :v

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52265919]Aye but he was wrong, it hasn't strengthened the border in the end and considering there might be a border poll sometime during the next five years I think he should recognise he is wrong (if he hasn't said so before). I am no fan of what the British did in Northern Ireland, perhaps the Anglo-Irish Agreement of 1985 wasn't the best but it moved the peace process forward. Considering how well supported it was in Ireland I do find it strange he would have been against it.[/QUOTE] Perhaps so. Though he did work quite a bit to get the good Friday agreement passed iirc.

[QUOTE=Morgen;52265981]Perhaps so. Though he did work quite a bit to get the good Friday agreement passed iirc.[/QUOTE] That's good then. Not a huge fan of him nor do I like his Euroskeptism, but as a person with friends in Britain who would be fucked by the Conservatives plus the fact the Conservatives would not help the Northern Irish situation with their proposed Internet controlling thing, Corybn would be better from my perspective really.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52265497]Unlike you I am sure, sure that Labour aren't the party to trust, for anything.[/QUOTE] I dunno I think the tories blundered into brexit out of opportunism and never actually really had a plan to leave. Would you trust a party that has no idea what they're doing?

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;52266389]I'm torn between my vote for labour or a tactical vote for Lib Dems to stop a conservative seat, my local MP is generally a safe Tory seat :/ but lib dems seem to have the second majority support. At the same time I don't want to tactical vote in case Labour actually has a chance here.[/QUOTE] Lib dem looks like your best option. While labour and lib Dems were fairly close last election, before that lib Dems had a pretty massive lead over labour in 2010.