[UK] Labour support surges in Wales - 16 point shift - Polidicks

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[QUOTE=DogGunn;52283641]As much as I'd rather see Labour lead the UK than the Conservatives or May, I despite Corbyn, his past and so much of how he conducts himself.[/QUOTE] Why? He seems much better than May. [url]https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/10426/theresa_may/maidenhead/votes[/url] [QUOTE="May's Voting Record"]Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change Has never voted on financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods Generally voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas Consistently voted for the Iraq war Almost always voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas Generally voted against UK membership of the EU[/QUOTE] Not to mention May has always had a boner for censoring the internet, and banning encryption. [QUOTE="Corbyn's Voting Record"] Generally voted for measures to prevent climate change Generally voted for financial incentives for low carbon emission electricity generation methods Voted a mixture of for and against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas Consistently voted against the Iraq war Consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas Generally voted against UK membership of the EU [/QUOTE] For comparisons sake.

As I mentioned, his past and how he conducts himself. He would be a disaster in my opinion for British foreign policy. Basically the left wing version of Donald Trump - clueless and with complete party disunity.

[QUOTE=UK Bohemian;52269539]I don't see any valid points to answer, [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]all I see is the usual dismissal [/quote] Are you real?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;52284082]As I mentioned, his past and how he conducts himself. He would be a disaster in my opinion for British foreign policy. Basically the left wing version of Donald Trump - clueless and with complete party disunity.[/QUOTE] How? It took me so long to realise, but I went to a Corbyn rally and he is not who people say he is. He is a passionate, charismatic and intelligent man. Those traits are entirely lacking in politics. Even if he's not any of those things, look at his policies and decide if you like them, you're electing a Prime Minister or at least MPs to work with the PM's government for you, if you want to get pedantic, this is not the fucking X Factor. Corbyn will have people working for him to deal with British foreign policy and negotiations, he is not going to be the only man in government doing anything. Plus his policies seem very good, taking a more inward looking approach unlike the conservatives who seem to want to carpet bomb the entire middle east.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;52284082]As I mentioned, his past and how he conducts himself. He would be a disaster in my opinion for British foreign policy. Basically the left wing version of Donald Trump - clueless and with complete party disunity.[/QUOTE] Yeah cause the right wing foreign policy we have had for awhile is working great. Pointless wars that just make it easier for terrorist groups to radicalise people. Even cuts the police's funding while they are at.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;52284082]As I mentioned, his past and how he conducts himself. He would be a disaster in my opinion for British foreign policy. Basically the left wing version of Donald Trump - clueless and with complete party disunity.[/QUOTE] I find Corbyn very charismatic when he is passionate about something.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;52284082]As I mentioned, his past and how he conducts himself. He would be a disaster in my opinion for British foreign policy. Basically the left wing version of Donald Trump - clueless and with complete party disunity.[/QUOTE] Even former British ambassadors have come out and said Corbyn would be the better choice for diplomacy. You must also remember that the current foreign sectary under the Tories is [i] Boris Johnson... [/i] a bumbling twat with backwards opinions and a silly haircut. Hows that for a Donald Trump comparison?.

Say what you want about 2017's politics being fucking bonkers. It has helped in being a huge wake up call for everyone else.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52284444]Say what you want about 2017's politics being fucking bonkers. It has helped in being a huge wake up call for everyone else.[/QUOTE] That remains to be seen tbh.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;52284386]Even former British ambassadors have come out and said Corbyn would be the better choice for diplomacy. You must also remember that the current foreign sectary under the Tories is [i] Boris Johnson... [/i] a bumbling twat with backwards opinions and a silly haircut. Hows that for a Donald Trump comparison?.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it just that borderline insane ambassador who was an envoy to some insignificant central asian country and also supported Scottish Independence as a means of sabotaging British world power? Boris Johnson is probably the most qualified foreign secretary we've had in a very long time. He's of a very cosmopolitan descent, as London Mayor he cultivated many worldwide connections and gained a substantial reputation. As well as the fact that as a journalist he has written many books on foreign policy and on foreign affairs.

[QUOTE=The mouse;52284470] [B]Boris Johnson [/B]is probably the [B]most qualified foreign secretary we've had in a very long time[/B]. He's of a very cosmopolitan descent, as London Mayor he cultivated many worldwide connections and gained a substantial reputation. As well as the fact that as a journalist he has written many books on foreign policy and on foreign affairs.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile 3 months ago: [QUOTE]The British foreign secretary, meanwhile, [B]reiterated that Britain would definitely trigger Article 50[/B] of the Lisbon Treaty and thereby [B]leave the EU[/B], but it [B]would not leave Europe[/B]. "We don't want Europe in any way to get weaker or to break up. On the contrary, we want to be supportive...We believe in a strong UK, a strong EU and a strong Slovenia within the EU," Johnson said. [/QUOTE] [url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-01/12/c_135974792.htm[/url] :thinking::thinking::thinking:

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;52284513]Meanwhile 3 months ago: [url]http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-01/12/c_135974792.htm[/url] :thinking::thinking::thinking:[/QUOTE] I don't understand your point. Britain would still literally be a European country, even when it isn't part of the EU.

[QUOTE=The mouse;52284535]I don't understand your point. Britain would still literally be a European country, even when it isn't part of the EU.[/QUOTE] Well, I agree that I pretty much went wrong with the bolding of THAT statement, but not being in the EU makes you at least 2-3 times less attractive of a trading partner. Should've bolded the latter part [QUOTE]On the contrary, we want to be supportive...We believe in a strong UK, a strong EU[/QUOTE] Which makes absolutely 0 sense.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;52284543]Well, I agree that I pretty much went wrong with the bolding of THAT statement, but not being in the EU makes you at least 2-3 times less attractive of a trading partner. Should've bolded the latter part Which makes absolutely 0 sense.[/QUOTE] Why? Just because Britain left the EU, doesn't mean that it necessarily believes the EU shouldn't exist or that any other nation should leave.

[QUOTE=The mouse;52284551]Why? Just because Britain left the EU, doesn't mean that it necessarily believes the EU shouldn't exist or that any other nation should leave.[/QUOTE] How is leaving the EU a supportive decision?

[QUOTE=The mouse;52284470]Wasn't it just that borderline insane ambassador who was an envoy to some insignificant central asian country and also supported Scottish Independence as a means of sabotaging British world power?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure about that. Whoever they were they made an excellent case for their point- so if you have a name for this person (considering you clearly dislike them so much), It could help me go dig up the exact quote that I'm looking for- assuming it is them. I wanted to post it originally but couldn't remember the ambassador's name for the life of me.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;52284553]How is leaving the EU a supportive decision?[/QUOTE] Britain has had a unique and very complicated history with the EU. Those who voted to leave believed that the UK and the EU had divergent aims and that therefore, Britain should leave. Just because the UK didn't support the agenda of deeper integration, doesn't mean that it doesn't support the EU as an institution.

[QUOTE=Uber22;52284444]Say what you want about 2017's politics being fucking bonkers. It has helped in being a huge wake up call for everyone else.[/QUOTE] Tbh it seems like we're just going further down the rabbit hole.