WikiLeaks Preparing to Release Video of U.S Massacre in Afghanistan; worse then previous - Polidicks

If we slaughtered civilians, nukes their cities, burned their farmland, and ate their remains, the insurgents would be too scared to fight, and the war would end. I'm not saying it's right though.

You guys act as if the "rules" in war are set in stone and everyone follows them no matter what. More then half of the time those rules are not followed. Doesn't matter what war it is and what countries it involves. Once war starts rules go out the window

[QUOTE=Aman V;22800801]You guys act as if the "rules" in war are set in stone and everyone follows them no matter what. More then half of the time those rules are not followed. Doesn't matter what war it is and what countries it involves. Once war starts rules go out the window[/QUOTE] Oh yes and obviously this is to be respected as war is noble and just You're trying to justify killing civilians are you fucking stupid

[QUOTE=The golden;22800371]I don't know why there needs to be a video to confirm this, I always just assumed the U.S. military killed innocents during whatever war they're in. Because they kind of are? Go speak with any British solider (either WW2 vet or current), they'll tell you exactly what you said is true. You must have missed that news article awhile back where a British officer was talking about how useless the U.S. soliders were.[/QUOTE] This hardly dignifies a response. You're just another one of those angsty anti-US kids who thinks that all American soldiers are just jumpy rednecks who wanna blow up some brown people. Give it a fucking rest. Every military in every conflict kills innocents. It isn't exclusive to the US, its just a fact of war. You just hear about it being caused by the US more because A: cameras and the internet are everywhere now, and B: the US military has the highest number of boots on the ground, and thus the highest probability for mistakes to happen. Cases like this do not show a lack of professionalism in every soldier. Sure, it is unfortunate that some soldiers compare it to a video game or get a kick out of these sort of things, but that isn't every soldier, as you make it out to be. What you're saying is just as bad as those ignorant pricks who think Islam is a dangerous religion because of a few fanatics. It is dumb, it is stereotyping, and it is incorrect. Get over yourself.

[QUOTE=Arrows;22794355]Who cares, war is war, what happens in war, stays in war. wikileaks should just die.[/QUOTE] A foreign country invades your country. They stay for several years, killing civilians, including women and children alike. But hey, its war, so its not like anyone else should know about it.

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;22801108]This hardly dignifies a response. You're just another one of those angsty anti-US kids who thinks that all American soldiers are just jumpy rednecks who wanna blow up some brown people. Give it a fucking rest. Every military in every conflict kills innocents. It isn't exclusive to the US, its just a fact of war. You just hear about it being caused by the US more because A: cameras and the internet are everywhere now, and B: the US military has the highest number of boots on the ground, and thus the highest probability for mistakes to happen. Cases like this do not show a lack of professionalism in every soldier. Sure, it is unfortunate that some soldiers compare it to a video game or get a kick out of these sort of things, but that isn't every soldier, as you make it out to be. What you're saying is just as bad as those ignorant pricks who think Islam is a dangerous religion because of a few fanatics. It is dumb, it is stereotyping, and it is incorrect. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE] blankquote

The guys at the Apache 'massacre' actually did have weapons.

[QUOTE=the_KMM;22801292]The guys at the Apache 'massacre' actually did have weapons.[/QUOTE] They didn't A few had sticks or something but that's it. Although they brought in themselves, the blames lies equally on both the pilots and the victims. Except for the ambulance, purely illegal shooting at that point.

well it wasn't an ambulance... it was a van, a generic van without markings. can you quote where it said they had sticks or something? and also quote where they said they had guns.

[QUOTE=whatnow V2;22801486]well it wasn't an ambulance... it was a van, a generic van without markings.[/QUOTE] If you're uncertain don't shoot. Especially when you're in the middle of one of the largest cities in the middle east.

also a warzone, mind you that van could of been reinforcements,, you never know

[QUOTE=Aman V;22800801]You guys act as if the "rules" in war are set in stone and everyone follows them no matter what. More then half of the time those rules are not followed. Doesn't matter what war it is and what countries it involves. Once war starts rules go out the window[/QUOTE] hey hey hey Aman V hey Aman [QUOTE=Kalibos;22800195]so are you just going to dismiss and ignore the notion that combatants should not fire at something they can't identify [editline]11:16AM[/editline] because if so you might as well get out of this thread[/QUOTE]

I'm on the fence about the entire Wikileaks thing. They shouldn't have been leaking confidential documents and footage, but they also did a good job to society by releasing them. In my opinion, I'd have alot more respect for the U.S. Military Command if they just released the videos of mistakes. Say "We made a mistake, we punished the soldiers who did it and we're trying to better ourselves". Not fucking cover it up and pretend like nothing happened.

[QUOTE=whatnow V2;22801566]also a warzone, mind you that van could of been reinforcements,, you never know[/QUOTE] It's that type of assumption that leads to civilians dying. Oh wait. :downs:

[QUOTE=Billiam;22801610]It's that type of assumption that leads to civilians dying. Oh wait. :downs:[/QUOTE] I didn't say they should shoot it, I'm just saying it could very well be interpreted as reinforcements. Tell me how it couldn't.

Hey holy shit no stop please oh god stop the arguing, these arguments go on for THREADS stop ahhh [editline]11:22AM[/editline] Civilians die, they always die, the soldiers made a bad choice but it happens, no point in getting all antsy about a mistake. [editline]11:23AM[/editline] They regret what they did, they regret killing citizens.

[QUOTE=whatnow V2;22801694]I didn't say they should shoot it, I'm just saying it could very well be interpreted as reinforcements. Tell me how it couldn't.[/QUOTE] 1) It's in the middle of a city where vans are common. 2) They had no confirmation that any of the people who exited the van were armed.

And its not like it was a mistake that no one would ever make, it was an understandable mistake. Can't you agree?

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801746]Civilians die, they always die, the soldiers made a bad choice but it happens, no point in getting all antsy about a mistake.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah no big deal, only a couple people died yeah. I mean dying isn't a big deal right... right?

[QUOTE=Billiam;22801833]Oh yeah no big deal, only a couple people died yeah. I mean dying isn't a big deal right... right?[/QUOTE] Bro, it happens.

[QUOTE=Billiam;22801833]Oh yeah no big deal, only a couple people died yeah. I mean dying isn't a big deal right... right?[/QUOTE] there is no need to be sarcastic and it's not hard to understand what he meant.

I don't see you killing yourself still over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that was proportionately bigger to warrant like...60 years of bitching from you

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801872]Bro, it happens.[/QUOTE] Just because it happens doesn't mean it isn't a big deal. [editline]02:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801886]I don't see you killing yourself still over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that was proportionately bigger to warrant like...60 years of bitching from you[/QUOTE] Hey, I bitch in Hiroshima and Nagasaki threads all the time.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801886]I don't see you killing yourself still over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, that was proportionately bigger to warrant like...60 years of bitching from you[/QUOTE] That had to be done or lose the life of a lot more people though. The current war in Afghanistan though... :fireman:

What is you bitching going to solve, what do you plan on doing with all this bitching? We know what they did was bad, killing civilians is always bad, they didn't deserve it, but you can't DO ANYTHING. It was a mistake, they regret it, you can't do anything about it now.

I understand getting pissed at something that would be a problem for national security but I don't think this is a case of that, more of protecting their ass from the people, this is wrong and I hope the wikileaks guy is ok.

[QUOTE=radioactive;22801929]That had to be done or lose the life of a lot more people though. The current war in Afghanistan though... :fireman:[/QUOTE] But was it worth the civilian deaths? I understand...that Japan wouldn't have stopped, but shit, there should be limits. [editline]11:32AM[/editline] [QUOTE=rathat48;22801959]I understand getting pissed at something that would be a problem for national security but I don't think this is a case of that, more of protecting their ass from the people, this is wrong and I hope the wikileaks guy is ok.[/QUOTE] He's leaking valuable information that could cause civil unrest, he knows that what he's doing will cause problems and he continues to do it.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801945]What is you bitching going to solve, what do you plan on doing with all this bitching? We know what they did was bad, killing civilians is always bad, they didn't deserve it, but you can't DO ANYTHING. It was a mistake, they regret it, you can't do anything about it now.[/QUOTE] You cannot really compare the two as WW2 was standard warfare over a set amount of land, whereas the war in Afghanistan is on home turf and the Coalition are wasting their time here.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801945]What is you bitching going to solve, what do you plan on doing with all this bitching? We know what they did was bad, killing civilians is always bad, they didn't deserve it, but you can't DO ANYTHING. It was a mistake, they regret it, you can't do anything about it now.[/QUOTE] Public unrest is a good war-ender.

is da video out yet