WikiLeaks Preparing to Release Video of U.S Massacre in Afghanistan; worse then previous - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Aman V;22797112]Most of the time it is unintentional collateral damage. US soldiers don't go out in death squads looking for people to kill.[/QUOTE] Well firing on a van full of unarmed people is against rules of engagement. Some dumb redneck in a chopper clearly wanted to fuck someone up regardless of necessity.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801962]He's leaking valuable information that could cause civil unrest, he knows that what he's doing will cause problems and he continues to do it.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure he's trying to promote civil unrest to end the war. What's the problem with that?

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22801962]But was it worth the civilian deaths? I understand...that Japan wouldn't have stopped, but shit, there should be limits. [editline]11:32AM[/editline] He's leaking valuable information that could cause civil unrest, he knows that what he's doing will cause problems and he continues to do it.[/QUOTE] The U.S. thought only a few dozen people would be killed. They spent two days dropping pamphlets telling everyone to leave a week before they dropped the bombs. However, the Japanese government just threatened to detain and fine anyone who picked them up. :(

[QUOTE=Gordy H.;22802051]The U.S. thought only a few dozen people would be killed. They spent two days dropping pamphlets telling everyone to leave a week before they dropped the bombs. However, the Japanese government just threatened to detain and fine anyone who picked them up. :([/QUOTE] Why have I NEVER heard this before? [editline]11:40AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;22802039]I'm pretty sure he's trying to promote civil unrest to end the war. What's the problem with that?[/QUOTE] Hey guys lets cause riots and shit yeah omg great idea

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;22801108]This hardly dignifies a response. You're just another one of those angsty anti-US kids who thinks that all American soldiers are just jumpy rednecks who wanna blow up some brown people. Give it a fucking rest. Every military in every conflict kills innocents. It isn't exclusive to the US, its just a fact of war. You just hear about it being caused by the US more because A: cameras and the internet are everywhere now, and B: the US military has the highest number of boots on the ground, and thus the highest probability for mistakes to happen. Cases like this do not show a lack of professionalism in every soldier. Sure, it is unfortunate that some soldiers compare it to a video game or get a kick out of these sort of things, but that isn't every soldier, as you make it out to be. What you're saying is just as bad as those ignorant pricks who think Islam is a dangerous religion because of a few fanatics. It is dumb, it is stereotyping, and it is incorrect. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aman V;22800801]You guys act as if the "rules" in war are set in stone and everyone follows them no matter what. More then half of the time those rules are not followed. Doesn't matter what war it is and what countries it involves. Once war starts rules go out the window[/QUOTE] That is an absolutely pathetic excuse for a nation that spends $700 billion in taxpayer dollars a year to develop a military that is the best in the world, and when it goes directly against everything this nation stands for.

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;22801108]This hardly dignifies a response. You're just another one of those angsty anti-US kids who thinks that all American soldiers are just jumpy rednecks who wanna blow up some brown people. Give it a fucking rest. Every military in every conflict kills innocents. It isn't exclusive to the US, its just a fact of war. You just hear about it being caused by the US more because A: cameras and the internet are everywhere now, and B: the US military has the highest number of boots on the ground, and thus the highest probability for mistakes to happen. Cases like this do not show a lack of professionalism in every soldier. Sure, it is unfortunate that some soldiers compare it to a video game or get a kick out of these sort of things, but that isn't every soldier, as you make it out to be. What you're saying is just as bad as those ignorant pricks who think Islam is a dangerous religion because of a few fanatics. It is dumb, it is stereotyping, and it is incorrect. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22802190] Hey guys lets cause riots and shit yeah omg great idea[/QUOTE] Has Wikileaks ever spurred a riot?

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22802190]Why have I NEVER heard this before? [/QUOTE] Maybe because the war was 60 years ago, you didn't pay attention in history, and you don't read books about the subject? A land invasion on Japan would have been so much worse than the bombs. I wrote an entire fucking paper on this in US History. You're the one who brought up the subject but you really shouldn't have, because you don't know anything about it. Drop WW2 and get back to the current crisis, tia.

[QUOTE=Billiam;22802301]Has Wikileaks ever spurred a riot?[/QUOTE] No, but it could, part of civil unrest is that people aren't happy

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22802278]That is an absolutely pathetic excuse for a nation that spends $700 billion in taxpayer dollars a year to develop a military that is the best in the world, and when it goes directly against everything this nation stands for.[/QUOTE] He's an idiot. I hate it when people make bad arguments for something that I support.

[QUOTE=synth;22802315]Maybe because the war was 60 years ago, you didn't pay attention in history, and you don't read books about the subject? A land invasion on Japan would have been so much worse than the bombs. I wrote an entire fucking paper on this in US History. You're the one who brought up the subject but you really shouldn't have, because you don't know anything about it. Drop WW2 and get back to the current crisis, tia.[/QUOTE] I like how you insulted my intelligence because I was asking a question because I had literally never heard that before in my life. Jeez.

[QUOTE=Billiam;22802301]Has Wikileaks ever spurred a riot?[/QUOTE] Civil unrest has, many times. Plus, it's best to be proactive and not reactive, especially when riots kill civilians quite a lot.

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;22801108]This hardly dignifies a response. You're just another one of those angsty anti-US kids who thinks that all American soldiers are just jumpy rednecks who wanna blow up some brown people. Give it a fucking rest. Every military in every conflict kills innocents. It isn't exclusive to the US, its just a fact of war. You just hear about it being caused by the US more because A: cameras and the internet are everywhere now, and B: the US military has the highest number of boots on the ground, and thus the highest probability for mistakes to happen. Cases like this do not show a lack of professionalism in every soldier. Sure, it is unfortunate that some soldiers compare it to a video game or get a kick out of these sort of things, but that isn't every soldier, as you make it out to be. What you're saying is just as bad as those ignorant pricks who think Islam is a dangerous religion because of a few fanatics. It is dumb, it is stereotyping, and it is incorrect. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE] for the new page

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22802347]I like how you insulted my intelligence because I was asking a question because I had literally never heard that before in my life. Jeez.[/QUOTE] Yep, because you're the one who brought up the event without knowing about it.

[QUOTE=synth;22802375]Yep, because you're the one who brought up the event without knowing about it.[/QUOTE] I wasn't even against you with my bringing up of it I barely brought it up to even talk about it, what the fuck is wrong with you

[QUOTE=synth;22802315]I wrote an entire fucking paper on this in US History.[/QUOTE] Oh shit Gunny you best back the fuck up he's a mother fuckin expert.

[QUOTE=synth;22802361]Civil unrest has, many times. Plus, it's best to be proactive and not reactive, especially when riots kill civilians quite a lot.[/QUOTE] Considering riots are fairly uncommon regarding the Iraq War and that free speech is the corner stone of the nation... There's very little reason to go after this guy. [editline]02:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Gummylamb;22802321]No, but it could, part of civil unrest is that people aren't happy[/QUOTE] Perhaps you should give the people what the want? Like you're suppose to?

[QUOTE=Mexican;22802450]Oh shit Gunny you best back the fuck up he's a mother fuckin expert.[/QUOTE] I didn't mean to imply that I knew anything about it at all in the first place ;( [editline]11:52AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;22802454]Considering riots are fairly uncommon regarding the Iraq War and that free speech is the corner stone of the nation... There's very little reason to go after this guy. [editline]02:51PM[/editline] Perhaps you should give the people what the want? Like you're suppose to?[/QUOTE] Pretty hard when what they want is a perfect military that doesn't make mistakes [editline]11:54AM[/editline] Or do you mean ending the war? Because I'd like that too, but...well shit I don't know.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22802480]Pretty hard when what they want is a perfect military that doesn't make mistakes[/QUOTE] A good way to have that is to punish the people who occasionally do make mistakes. And not mistakes like "well I thought it was a gun" okay fine. Mistakes like "yeah I authorized him to fire on a van even though there's nothing in rules of engagement that would necessitate it."

Yeah, I can agree with that. I thought they would if it was blatantly against the ROE anyway...? Why didn't they this time

[QUOTE=Mexican;22802542]A good way to have that is to punish the people who occasionally do make mistakes. And not mistakes like "well I thought it was a gun" okay fine. Mistakes like "yeah I authorized him to fire on a van even though there's nothing in rules of engagement that would necessitate it."[/QUOTE] I agree. I support the US Military but wrong actions shouldn't go unpunished. Make some examples, and the entire population puts their trust back into the military. Also, throw in some punishments to the higher ranked ones who fucked up as well. [editline]02:59PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;22802454]Considering riots are fairly uncommon regarding the Iraq War and that free speech is the corner stone of the nation... There's very little reason to go after this guy. [/QUOTE] Yeah I know. Just throwing in some small stuff, but as a whole I don't support shutting down Wikileaks. It'd be nice if EVERYTHING on Wikileaks wasn't United States stuff, but I do support free speech and freedom of the press. [editline]03:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mexican;22802450]Oh shit Gunny you best back the fuck up he's a mother fuckin expert.[/QUOTE] I will destroy you with my 11th grade knowledge [editline]03:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Billiam;22802454]Perhaps you should give the people what the want? Like you're suppose to?[/QUOTE] Nah bro that shit is for pussies, lock those mofos up in secret jails and shit, kill all people who speak out against the government! It's worked so well in the past.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22802566]Yeah, I can agree with that. I thought they would if it was blatantly against the ROE anyway...? Why didn't they this time[/QUOTE] The military tends to be too proud and brotherly. The could have been punished for all we know, but probably not. Notice we don't even know who the guys in the chopper are but they've already arrested the intelligence analyst who leaked it. [QUOTE=synth;22802630]I will destroy you with my 11th grade knowledge[/QUOTE] Good luck man I've been watching grainy videos on Youtube.

[QUOTE=ZakkShock;22795730]This entire thread is two sides of people firing shit-buckets at each other. Freedom of speech keeps this guy invulnerable to the U.S. Government, so, in turn, the U.S. Government can't do shit about it.[/QUOTE] Call it a matter of national security. Person disappears forever.

[QUOTE=Mexican;22802817]The military tends to be too proud and brotherly. The could have been punished for all we know, but probably not. Notice we don't even know who the guys in the chopper are but they've already arrested the intelligence analyst who leaked it. [/QUOTE] Thing is, if they hadn't gotten the command to fire they never would have fired. And their command was given disinformation by the soldiers. It's hard to blame someone in that situation, plus the people around the Reuters reporters did have weapons on them, the Reuters were not properly identified as press (which they really should have been), and there was a small arms conflict in the area previously. See how messy it is? It's hard to put blame on any one person in that situation. But leaking classified video is against the law, so even if the subject matter was controversial or whatever, the leaker broke the law clean and simple so he gets punished also.

war war never chagens

[QUOTE=synth;22802947]Thing is, if they hadn't gotten the command to fire they never would have fired. And their command was given disinformation by the soldiers. It's hard to blame someone in that situation, plus the people around the Reuters reporters did have weapons on them, the Reuters were not properly identified as press (which they really should have been), and there was a small arms conflict in the area previously. See how messy it is? It's hard to put blame on any one person in that situation. But leaking classified video is against the law, so even if the subject matter was controversial or whatever, the leaker broke the law clean and simple so he gets punished also.[/QUOTE] Yeah I understand how shooting the reporters is an understandable mistake. The van however is not, as they were clearly not presenting any immediate danger, which is the standard you follow when deciding whether or not to fuck someone up with an Apache. And I know that the guy should have gotten in trouble for leaking it, I'm just pointing out that they clearly are more willing to cover up and intimidate people from exposing their men than they are to actually addressing the issues.

[QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;22801108]This hardly dignifies a response. You're just another one of those angsty anti-US kids who thinks that all American soldiers are just jumpy rednecks who wanna blow up some brown people. Give it a fucking rest. Every military in every conflict kills innocents. It isn't exclusive to the US, its just a fact of war. You just hear about it being caused by the US more because A: cameras and the internet are everywhere now, and B: the US military has the highest number of boots on the ground, and thus the highest probability for mistakes to happen. Cases like this do not show a lack of professionalism in every soldier. Sure, it is unfortunate that some soldiers compare it to a video game or get a kick out of these sort of things, but that isn't every soldier, as you make it out to be. What you're saying is just as bad as those ignorant pricks who think Islam is a dangerous religion because of a few fanatics. It is dumb, it is stereotyping, and it is incorrect. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=bravehat;22799602]War has rules. America didn't sign up to play by them. [/QUOTE] that's the thing they did, they were there since the very first days of the UN [editline]12:23PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Led Zeppelin;22801108]This hardly dignifies a response. You're just another one of those angsty anti-US kids who thinks that all American soldiers are just jumpy rednecks who wanna blow up some brown people. Give it a fucking rest. Every military in every conflict kills innocents. It isn't exclusive to the US, its just a fact of war. You just hear about it being caused by the US more because A: cameras and the internet are everywhere now, and B: the US military has the highest number of boots on the ground, and thus the highest probability for mistakes to happen. Cases like this do not show a lack of professionalism in every soldier. Sure, it is unfortunate that some soldiers compare it to a video game or get a kick out of these sort of things, but that isn't every soldier, as you make it out to be. What you're saying is just as bad as those ignorant pricks who think Islam is a dangerous religion because of a few fanatics. It is dumb, it is stereotyping, and it is incorrect. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE] what i like about this post is that it stereotypes in the first lines, then it tells people it is dumb for stereotyping what a great, hypocritical post

[QUOTE=Arrows;22794355]Who cares, war is war, what happens in war, stays in war. wikileaks should just die.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry that the FBI visited you.