WikiLeaks Preparing to Release Video of U.S Massacre in Afghanistan; worse then previous - Polidicks

[QUOTE=radioactive;22801929]That had to be done or lose the life of a lot more people though. The current war in Afghanistan though... :fireman:[/QUOTE] The men on the ground could have gone on and killed an American soldier (not talking about the journalist, the other guys who had guns with them). Killing them theoretically could have saved an American soldier for all we know. And to be honest if were gonna play the "make the biggest deal in the world when 1 innocent dies during war" the Americans commited one of the largest war crimes in history killing 300,000+ innocent civilians...

[QUOTE=thisispain;22803158]what i like about this post is that it stereotypes in the first lines, then it tells people it is dumb for stereotyping what a great, hypocritical post[/QUOTE] do you have to ruin all the fun every time you post

[QUOTE=Aman V;22803239]The men on the ground could have gone on and killed an American soldier (not talking about the journalist, the other guys who had guns with them). Killing them theoretically could have saved an American soldier for all we know. And to be honest if were gonna play the "make the biggest deal in the world when 1 innocent dies during war" the Americans commited one of the largest war crimes in history killing 300,000+ innocent civilians...[/QUOTE] are you seriously defending the attempted shutting down of wikileaks?

[QUOTE=thisispain;22803158]that's the thing they did, they were there since the very first days of the UN [editline]12:23PM[/editline] what i like about this post is that it stereotypes in the first lines, then it tells people it is dumb for stereotyping what a great, hypocritical post[/QUOTE] But is he wrong? No sir.

[QUOTE=synth;22803297]do you have to ruin all the fun every time you post[/QUOTE] post better then i don't have to ruin anything

[QUOTE=thisispain;22803304]are you seriously defending the attempted shutting down of wikileaks?[/QUOTE] ? no

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22803314]But is he wrong? No sir.[/QUOTE] whatever, it's the same apologist nonsense the public deserves to know what their hard earned tax money goes to, and they are totally in the right if they don't agree with how it is used any debate besides that is just nonsense [editline]12:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Aman V;22803334]? no[/QUOTE] then what the fuck are you on about, this is a thread about wikileaks

[QUOTE=Aman V;22803239] And to be honest if were gonna play the "make the biggest deal in the world when 1 innocent dies during war" the Americans commited one of the largest war crimes in history killing 300,000+ innocent civilians...[/QUOTE] Not this again. Do you even know anything about what the Japanese empire did to the people of Asia when they were taking over? Do you know how many more civilians would have died along with soldiers on both sides if we did have a land invasion? Killing civilians is always wrong but even more would have died in any other circumstance.

For some reason I don't really give a fuck. He should be more supportive of his government.

[QUOTE=The_Fly56556;22803388]For some reason I don't really give a fuck. He should be more supportive of his government.[/QUOTE] Please just delete your post because you're going to get your anus torn apart. He's not even American for fucks sake.

Does the wikileaks guy by chance look like this: [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070903133338/uncyclopedia/images/0/09/JCDenton.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=synth;22803372]Not this again. Do you even know anything about what the Japanese empire did to the people of Asia when they were taking over? Do you know how many more civilians would have died along with soldiers on both sides if we did have a land invasion? Killing civilians is always wrong but even more would have died in any other circumstance.[/QUOTE] cool what does this have to do with wikileaks

[QUOTE=synth;22803413]Please just delete your post because you're going to get your anus torn apart. He's not even American for fucks sake.[/QUOTE] That just makes it even worse, he should stop bashing other countries and do something productive.

[QUOTE=The_Fly56556;22803388]For some reason I don't really give a fuck. He should be more supportive of his government.[/QUOTE] if he was american, he's the ultimate patriot, he loves his country so much he's willing to stand up and attempt to fix the flaws in order to save it but he's not american, so he's probably just critical of foreign policy [editline]12:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=The_Fly56556;22803447]That just makes it even worse, he should stop bashing other countries and do something productive.[/QUOTE] he's showing Americans what their tax dollars go towards it you're posting garbage, why don't you do something productive

[QUOTE=Arrows;22794546]Your sick.[/QUOTE] my sick what.

[QUOTE=thisispain;22803158] what i like about this post is that it stereotypes in the first lines, then it tells people it is dumb for stereotyping what a great, hypocritical post[/QUOTE] Have my babies.

[QUOTE=Billiam;22803623]Have my babies.[/QUOTE] i like my babies like my coffee, black

[QUOTE=thisispain;22803457]if he was american, he's the ultimate patriot, he loves his country so much he's willing to stand up and attempt to fix the flaws in order to save it[/QUOTE] I hardly see how he's trying to fix anything? He's just pointing out flaws and then running away. If he wanted to help he'd become more political and open.

[IMG]http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/ad284/elusive-design/randomness.jpg[/IMG] But seriously. The US Government is gonna be pretty pissed. Especially since the president probably doesnt even know about it and the army is shitting their pants because he will soon be asking questions...

I knew Bradley Manning personally. Crazy shit.

[QUOTE=synth;22803372]Not this again. Do you even know anything about what the Japanese empire did to the people of Asia when they were taking over? Do you know how many more civilians would have died along with soldiers on both sides if we did have a land invasion? Killing civilians is always wrong but even more would have died in any other circumstance.[/QUOTE] Every single American who has tried to justify the nuking has used this excuse. It isn't a good one, and it just tried to hide the fact that the US was the only country that ever nuked an opposing nation. You have no idea how many soldiers would have died either because it never happened, and without the loss of so many civillians in the blink of an eye. In any case, soldiers lives are supposed to be worthless relative to civilian lives from either country but even though the US military isn't anything like the armies of the old empires they still manage to consider themselves above everyone else ESPECIALLY in the case of this here chopper crew.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22803848]Every single American who has tried to justify the nuking has used this excuse. It isn't a good one, and it just tried to hide the fact that the US was the only country that ever nuked an opposing nation. You have no idea how many soldiers would have died either because it never happened, and without the loss of so many civillians in the blink of an eye. In any case, soldiers lives are supposed to be worthless relative to civilian lives from either country but even though the US military isn't anything like the armies of the old empires they still manage to consider themselves above everyone else ESPECIALLY in the case of this here chopper crew.[/QUOTE] Soldiers are worth less why? I don't really understand why they're worth like...nothing

They've commited their lives for the saftey of others, hmm I guess that just means for the saftey of other white folks right?

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22804014]Soldiers are worth less why? I don't really understand why they're worth like...nothing[/QUOTE] In a war such as Afghanistan the current mission is to stabilize the region, therefore civilians are more important than soldiers because protecting them is our mission, and everytime we accidentally kill any of them the mission is compromised. Of course, we've already done so much collateral damage that at this point our reputation is broken and unfixable.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22804095]They've commited their lives for the saftey of others, hmm I guess that just means for the saftey of other white folks right?[/QUOTE] Wouldn't you think that commiting your life to saving others would make you more useful (at least) than civies? Arguably that means worth more.

I don't see why anyone is up in arms(on either side) about the videos being released. War is horrible and that's that. Wikileaks isn't showing anything surprising. And our enemy is known to operate among civilians. The fact that civilians are being killed collaterally doesn't come to me as much of a surprise.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22804095]They've commited their lives for the saftey of others, hmm I guess that just means for the saftey of other white folks right?[/QUOTE] No, you're just pulling the race card. The men in power at the time of the bombing did not have the pleasure of sitting in their computer chairs 65 years later, with 6 decades of Cold War politics to judge it on and countless statistics. What they had were the lives of their soldiers, predicted casualty counts of both American soldiers and Japanese civilians, and a new, more destructive bomb. Even the members of the Manhattan Project had no grasp on the powers of radiation at the time, and this is very evident. Many, many of the scientists who worked later developed cancer because immediately after the first atomic detonation in New Mexico, they walked into the blast zone to survey the results. Even less aware of the risks of radiation were the commanders who had to make the call. As fire bombing and deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure was perfectly acceptable at the time (and receives no criticism in the modern world remotely comparable to that of the Atomic Bombings), this was [i]still[/i] a difficult choice. Based on every bit of evidence that the commanders in charge of the bombing had, it was justified. Because there was no way for them to predict the future, their decision can not be judged on the long term effects.

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;22803848]Every single American who has tried to justify the nuking has used this excuse.[/QUOTE] Add the fact that nobody (read: nobody) knew much about radioactivity or the long-term effects of a nuclear bomb and I'd say it's pretty solid reasoning

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22804426]Wouldn't you think that commiting your life to saving others would make you more useful (at least) than civies? Arguably that means worth more.[/QUOTE] Not when the mission essentially boils down to protecting civilians.

I'm cool with them releasing this video. As long as you have to watch the hundreds of successful operations too.