50 Shades of [Sigh]: The Disastrous 50 Shades of Grey Press Tour - Polidicks

Aw fuck it's the bad guy from The Fall, he's great in that. Shame he's in this. [QUOTE=TacticalBacon;47120934]It's not even a good representation of a relationship, Christian Grey is an abusive piece of shit who stalks the main character chick, digs up her personal information to the level of bank account details, tries to control every single aspect of her life, and actually physically hurts her at times. The fact that so many women are convinced he's the perfect man is downright disturbing.[/QUOTE] Oh wow, he's essentially playing the same character. Minus murdering a whole lot of people.

This book is pretty much a way for 20-40 something women feel like they're reading something naughty and transgressive in a way that's socially acceptable from a book that was arbitrarily elevated from the bargain bin smut pile.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;47120960]Only got this from hearsay but doesn't he also ignore the safeword at one point?[/QUOTE] I don't know, however in the first book when he whips her with his belt and she's too shocked and in pain to use the safe word, he keeps going despite the fact that she's crying her eyes out and making noises described as a "strangled sob" which any sane dom would take as a sign that she isn't enjoying it and it's time to stop.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;47120960]Only got this from hearsay but doesn't he also ignore the safeword at one point?[/QUOTE] From what I've heard it portrays BDSM as less kinky, consensual fun times and more of a violent and abusive relationship.

Wait what the fuck they're making a movie? First time hearing about it. [QUOTE=TacticalBacon;47120934]It's not even a good representation of a relationship, Christian Grey is an abusive piece of shit who stalks the main character chick, digs up her personal information to the level of bank account details, tries to control every single aspect of her life, and actually physically hurts her at times. The fact that so many women are convinced he's the perfect man is downright disturbing.[/QUOTE] Not any different from Twilight in that the main character is dangerously obsessed over a man to the point of making dumb decisions and putting herself in mortal danger. It's like some people can't see the difference between "love" and "obsession".

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47121023]Not any different from Twilight in that the main character is dangerously obsessed over a man to the point of making dumb decisions and putting herself in mortal danger.[/QUOTE] Well this [I]is[/I] a Twilight fanfic after all.

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;47121060]Well this [I]is[/I] a Twilight fanfic after all.[/QUOTE] Wow holy shit, I didn't know that.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;47121084]Wow holy shit I didn't know that.[/QUOTE] Which makes it doubly hilarious that E.L. James's first pick for the main dude was Robert Pattinson.

I don't get why so many women enjoy the thought of them being used like what I'm hearing in this thread right now. I thought 50 Shades Of Gray was just really kinky consensual BDSM, not whatever the hell I'm hearing in this thread.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47121104]I don't get why so many women enjoy the thought of them being used like what I'm hearing in this thread right now. I thought 50 Shades Of Gray was just really kinky consensual BDSM, not whatever the hell I'm hearing in this thread.[/QUOTE] Women can be into all kinds of kinky stuff. Rape, group, BDSM are all very common female fantasies.

Part of what's so funny about this is that Twilight is not written any better. There was no reason for the actors in Twilight to have any more belief Twilight would be a success than the 50 Shades actors had when they started work. Yet Stewart and Pattinson were able to play the part of being a couple for the run of the franchise, only 'breaking up' after the PR wasn't needed for the movies anymore. These two obviously said fuck that before the first movie was even finished. That's how horrible the experience was, so bad they are both willing to write off a huge shot at stardom, possibly the largest movie event either will ever star in. That's worthy of a behind the scenes documentary on the making of this movie. I hope someday such footage is released.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47121104]I don't get why so many women enjoy the thought of them being used like what I'm hearing in this thread right now. I thought 50 Shades Of Gray was just really kinky consensual BDSM, not whatever the hell I'm hearing in this thread.[/QUOTE] It's textbook abuse marketed as BDSM

I'm waiting for a Weird Al edit into this, just like with Whiplash

Isn't 50 Shades of Grey literally Twilight fanfiction?

50 Shades of Gray is just a dumb sexual fantasy. I can fully understand why the BDSM community despises it for its twisted and wrong depiction of their culture, but otherwise I feel like it's harmless fluff in same way violent video games are.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47121104]I don't get why so many women enjoy the thought of them being used like what I'm hearing in this thread right now. I thought 50 Shades Of Gray was just really kinky consensual BDSM, not whatever the hell I'm hearing in this thread.[/QUOTE] [url]http://theramblingcurl.blogspot.com/2014/02/fifty-abusive-moments-in-fifty-shades.html[/url] Have a read. IMO, there's nothing wrong with unrealistic fantasy, but the number of people who seem to say 'yes I would want this in real life' is concerning, and honestly it's a little dangerous if people are using a book like this to inform their perceptions of BDSM.

It simply bamboozles my noggin how 50 Shades of Gray became as popular as it is. It's literally just a poorly written trashy romance novel with an inaccurate portrayal of BDSM, but I guess that's enough to enrapture the sex-starved minds of all the people who read it. Is BDSM really that taboo and "hardcore" that the average person goes coo-coo apeshit when it's in their smut books?

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ZKRT8vt.png[/IMG] where did these stock photo people even come from, why do they matter

[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;47121355]50 Shades of Gray is just a dumb sexual fantasy. I can fully understand why the BDSM community despises it for its twisted and wrong depiction of their culture, but otherwise I feel like it's harmless fluff in same way violent video games are.[/QUOTE] My personal issue with the book is that not only is the book itself celebrating domestic abuse and rape, but the psuedo-justification it can provide troubled individuals. The difference between violent video-games and media like this is that in violent video-games, the player doesn't fantasize about being shot or killed. The entire point of 50 Shades of Grey is for women to fantasize that they are the ones being raped and abused. The fact it skyrocketed to such popularity and best-seller status could be used by disturbed individuals to justify that women [b]like[/b] being raped. I can easily see the book further enforcing the stereotypes of "she's just playing hard to get" or "she really likes it; no means yes" in ways that violent video-games can't (due to the aforementioned fantasizing). To make this point perfectly clear, since I'm sure someone will jump on the ambiguity, the argument I am making in regards to violent video-games is this: In violent video-games, the primary fantasy (if one exists) is to be the one who is [b]doing[/b] the shooting. In media like 50 Shades, the primary fantasy (if one exists) is to be the one who is [b]receiving[/b] the abuse. I am significantly opposed to the fact that the book also glorifies [b]doing[/b] the abuse, EG glorifying raping women, but I can't make as strong an argument against that as I can the fact the book also celebrates women being raped, from a woman's perspective, due to the similarities to the violent video-game dilemma. Of course, I could make a separate argument about how most violent video-games are not centralized around acts of unjustified violence, with notable exception to Hatred, but I am not going to pursue that argument. That's my personal opinion on the issue.

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;47121815]My personal issue with the book is that not only is the book itself celebrating domestic abuse and rape, but the psuedo-justification it can provide troubled individuals. The difference between violent video-games and media like this is that in violent video-games, the player doesn't fantasize about being shot or killed. The entire point of 50 Shades of Grey is for women to fantasize that they are the ones being raped and abused. The fact it skyrocketed to such popularity and best-seller status could be used by disturbed individuals to justify that women [b]like[/b] being raped. I can easily see the book further enforcing the stereotypes of "she's just playing hard to get" or "she really likes it; no means yes" in ways that violent video-games can't (due to the aforementioned fantasizing). To make this point perfectly clear, since I'm sure someone will jump on the ambiguity, the argument I am making in regards to violent video-games is this: In violent video-games, the primary fantasy (if one exists) is to be the one who is [b]doing[/b] the shooting. In media like 50 Shades, the primary fantasy (if one exists) is to be the one who is [b]receiving[/b] the abuse. I am significantly opposed to the fact that the book also glorifies [b]doing[/b] the abuse, EG glorifying raping women, but I can't make as strong an argument against that as I can the fact the book also celebrates women being raped, from a woman's perspective, due to the similarities to the violent video-game dilemma. Of course, I could make a separate argument about how most violent video-games are not centralized around acts of unjustified violence, with notable exception to Hatred, but I am not going to pursue that argument. That's my personal opinion on the issue.[/QUOTE] The thing is, "romantic rape" has been a popular trope for literally decades now. Why is it only now noticed once 50 Shades came to light? I personally can't stand "romantic rape," but no one blamed harlequin novels in the past for rape culture. Rape is a fairly common sexual fantasy. Why not indulge it through fiction? But NO ONE ever has a right to force that fantasy onto a person. Other forces are in play when someone is unable to see that distinction.

50 shades of grey has taught me that it's okay to abuse a woman by showing her flashy things, then beating them into submission it also taught me that apparently a lot of women get off to this book and its ideas it's also a seriously dreadful read if you're a guy I don't think I'd date a girl who read this book, probably gonna limit my options, but it's really a horrible book, despite what it teaches

[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;47121878]Rape is a fairly common sexual fantasy. Why not indulge it through fiction?[/QUOTE] I'm 100% for allowing people to indulge through fantasy what they can't in real life. But when people confuse that fantasy for real life, saying things like 'I wish my boyfriend were Christian Grey', holding it up as an ideal, that's a problem. Beyond the fact that it's a textbook abusive relationship and just not a very well written portrayal of BDSM culture, it's also leading people to think that this sort of relationship is desirable in real life and that's kinda scary. It's like, if lots of people play GTA and enjoy it, that's fine, that's escapism. But if lots of people play GTA and decide that man, shooting cops and dealing drugs is cool, I want this to be real, then that's a problem. It's not the game's fault, but it's a problem nonetheless.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47122306]I'm 100% for allowing people to indulge through fantasy what they can't in real life. But when people confuse that fantasy for real life, saying things like 'I wish my boyfriend were Christian Grey', holding it up as an ideal, that's a problem. Beyond the fact that it's a textbook abusive relationship and just not a very well written portrayal of BDSM culture, it's also leading people to think that this sort of relationship is desirable in real life and that's kinda scary. It's like, if lots of people play GTA and enjoy it, that's fine, that's escapism. But if lots of people play GTA and decide that man, shooting cops and dealing drugs is cool, I want this to be real, then that's a problem. It's not the game's fault, but it's a problem nonetheless.[/QUOTE] But are women actually entering more abusive relationships because of 50 Shades? Again, "bad boys" have been a media staple from the beginning. Now for this next bit, this thread doesn't really factor in but it's relevant. I apologize if it seems rant-y. Across so many places online and in the real world I keep hearing variations of, "Man, this book. Do girls really like abuse? Your gender's weird. No wonder feminism's falling apart." Why are so many people using this book as a tool to paint women as stupid and not knowing what's best for them? Why are your own escapism devices fine, but this one damaging? The discussion is at once intriguing and frustrating for me. Rape and abuse stem from a multitude of influences. But escapist mommy porn really shouldn't be the target for the blame.

[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;47122452]Across so many places online and in the real world I keep hearing variations of, "Man, this book. Do girls really like abuse? Your gender's weird. No wonder feminism's falling apart." Why are so many people using this book as a tool to paint women as stupid and not knowing what's best for them? Why are your own escapism devices fine, but this one damaging? The discussion is at once intriguing and frustrating for me. Rape and abuse stem from a multitude of influences. But escapist mommy porn really shouldn't be the target for the blame.[/QUOTE] It's funny seeing the parallels for violent video games and how many of these arguments are formed from the same uninformed understanding of the subject; literotica in this case.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;47121089]Which makes it doubly hilarious that E.L. James's first pick for the main dude was Robert Pattinson.[/QUOTE] I honestly would have loved to have seen him take the role. Seeing as he hated Edward and the whole Twilight series, it'd be hilarious for this as well.

Just read [URL="http://www.ohjoysextoy.com/50shadesofgrey/"]this[/URL] comic on it. Puts it into good perspective. It's junk food, does nothing "good" for you, and is just a shit represenatation... But if you realize that, but enjoy it otherwise for your own devices, go right ahead.

[img]http://puu.sh/fNAf7/eba6d45882.png[/img] Honestly, there's probably going to be [I]too much[/I] sex. Like, I get that it's an erotica, but it's like "LET'S GO TO DINNER" then they arrive at a place, one of them gets horny, they fuck in the bathroom, Anastasia gets drunk or something and they leave, then on the way home "SOMEONE'S FOLLOWING US" and there's a fucking car chase that's at high speeds and as soon as they manage to get away "LET'S HAVE SEX IN THE CAR" Like can you take a five minute break on this shit

Is this some kind of bizarre viral marketing? Like, the actors slander the movie to make people go "Wow now I HAVE to see this!"? What a twisted 'interview'... I can't believe that they're both so negative about so many things, you think this would have come up prior to them either accepting the job, or beginning filming? I don't know, something seems off about it all.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkLqAlIETkA[/url] They should have hired him to be Grey instead.

All of the sudden, everyone is a BDSM expert... on fb, twitter, everywhere. It's one thing to bash the movie just for the fuck of it, but damn...