Boy ‘living life entirely as a girl’ removed from mother's care by UK judge - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Novangel;51261695]I've seen the video, it's interesting though I believe there's some cherrypicking going on there. We've discussed John Money before, and all these cases prove is that you can't just force a gender on a child anyway. That said I'm nowhere near an expert in the topic, and personally believe both have influences in the formation of the gender.[/QUOTE] So you agree that there is a biological component to the formation of gender identity? Doesn't that contradict the idea of gender being entirely socially constructed?

[QUOTE=Zyler;51261708]So you agree that there is a biological component to the formation of gender identity? Doesn't that contradict the idea of gender being entirely socially constructed?[/QUOTE] I mean that social interactions, labelling and such acts on the sexual dimorphism of the child, and through the biased raising of the child into either a boy or a girl influence the formation of the gender.

[QUOTE=Novangel;51261773]I mean that social interactions, labelling and such acts on the sexual dimorphism of the child, and through the biased raising of the child into either a boy or a girl influence the formation of the gender.[/QUOTE] Hasn't essentially all modern science disproven this theory of gender?

[QUOTE=Novangel;51261773]I mean that social interactions, labelling and such acts on the sexual dimorphism of the child, and through the biased raising of the child into either a boy or a girl influence the formation of the gender.[/QUOTE] If that's the case, then there's no contradiction between what you're saying and the 4 definitions I gave in a previous post, only that what you call sexual dimorphism is what phygon and I call Neurological Sex or Brain Sex and what you call Gender is what phygon and I labeled as Gender Roles or Gender Expression. [editline]26th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=sgman91;51261792]Hasn't essentially all modern science disproven this theory of gender?[/QUOTE] Depends what you mean by gender.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51261799] Depends what you mean by gender.[/QUOTE] The idea that differences between men and women are purely results of social conditioning.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51261817]The idea that differences between men and women are purely results of social conditioning.[/QUOTE] Then yes, sort of. Although you're sort of using gender to define itself when you use the terms 'men' and 'women' there, so I can't give you a definite answer unless you clarify your terms.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51261799]If that's the case, then there's no contradiction between what you're saying and the 4 definitions I gave in a previous post, only that what you call sexual dimorphism is what phygon and I call Neurological Sex or Brain Sex and what you call Gender is what phygon and I labeled as Gender Roles or Gender Expression.[/QUOTE] I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about anymore to be honest v:v:v

[QUOTE=Novangel;51261828]I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about anymore to be honest v:v:v[/QUOTE] It's a difference in labeling, not a difference in the actual ideas themselves. This topic is hard to talk about because the english language itself was not designed to cope with it.

[QUOTE=Novangel;51261828]I'm not even sure what I'm arguing about anymore to be honest v:v:v[/QUOTE] You're arguing an outdated definition of gender while most other people are referring to the medical version. You're referring to Gender Roles. [QUOTE=Zyler;51261835]It's a difference in labeling, not a difference in the actual ideas themselves. This topic is hard to talk about because the english language itself was not designed to cope with it.[/QUOTE] It works fine if you use modern terms [editline]s[/editline] I'm not trying to be overly-aggressive and I apologize if it came across that way but these conversations go absolutely nowhere if people are using different terms.

This thread became very interesting, i must have read it back to front thrice already... There are more then 5 combinations in chromosomes btw, there are even people who have multiple combinations at once.

[QUOTE=wystan;51250713]If you're born with an XY chromosome, you have a male brain, regardless of how you actually think or prefer things, you're still male.[/QUOTE] you are so ignorant [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_androgen_insensitivity_syndrome[/url]