Religious services linked to increased optimism, decreased risk of depression - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;33259372]fuck you. Also i think people who try to link religious activities with darwinistic psychology are annoying. "They are doing it because that some lesser human beings are born to finding living in life disrupting virtual constraints is comfortable" Its annoying. Leave religion alone with your science, the answer is easy: Science and Religion does not contradict. And for you christbashers out there, you should check out buddhism, they [B]mummify themselves.[/B] [editline]13th November 2011[/editline] Why does people like you always have some anime avatar? I mean i see alot of people without anime and furry avatars that dosent do it, the tendency follows theese two social groups. Just wondering, like hell.[/QUOTE] ... what

[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;33259372]Also i think people who try to link religious activities with darwinistic psychology are annoying. "They are doing it because that some lesser human beings are born to finding living in life disrupting virtual constraints is comfortable"[/quote] Firstly, it's called Evolution, not Darwinism. Calling it that perpetuates a a fictional cult of personality around the idea. Modern evolutionary theory is somewhat different to what Darwin proposed, particularly in regards to genetic theory, which Darwin either was not aware of or did not fully comprehend the ramifications of it. Secondly, "They are doing it because that some lesser human beings are born to finding living in life disrupting virtual constraints is comfortable" I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that evolution implies that religious folk are somehow inferior beings? Or are you saying that people who try to discourage religion are inferior because they like disrupting societal constraints? Either way, evolution does not imply this at all, I don't know where the hell you got this idea from. Religion is a byproduct of evolution enforcing cohesion within groups. The root of religion is the same as the root of cognitive errors such as placing a disproportionate amount of trust into authority figures and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments]going with the beliefs of a group even when you can plainly see they are incorrect.[/url] [quote]Its annoying. Leave religion alone with your science, the answer is easy: Science and Religion does not contradict.[/quote] How about no. Science is about trying to understand the world. We don't draw the line at investigating what goes on in the minds of religionists just because it might hurt their feelings to know the results. And no, science and religion contradict on a fundamental level.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;33259612]Secondly, "They are doing it because that some lesser human beings are born to finding living in life disrupting virtual constraints is comfortable" I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that evolution implies that religious folk are somehow inferior beings? Or are you saying that people who try to discourage religion are inferior because they like disrupting societal constraints?[/QUOTE] I think he's trying to say that the whole "religion is good because it offers comforting lies" thing offends him.

[QUOTE=LCBADs;33259687]I think he's trying to say that the whole "religion is good because it offers comforting lies" thing offends him.[/QUOTE] Well he can deal with it.

from what ive seen on fp every athiest is a lonely cynic anyway, so this cant be too far from the truth

[QUOTE=Bobie;33259775]from what ive seen on fp every athiest is a lonely cynic anyway, so this cant be too far from the truth[/QUOTE] Are you serious [editline]11:27 AM[/editline] because that's like saying that black people must all be like the black people in that dominantly black ghetto neighborhood I went to!

[QUOTE=Bobie;33259775]from what ive seen on fp every athiest is a lonely cynic anyway, so this cant be too far from the truth[/QUOTE] What I like to call 'reality' is depressing if you look at it the wrong way i.e - Nihilism, those who get depressed by it simply have failed to understand it, as noted in Buddhist philosophy.

It's a shame you can't choose to believe things just to make you happy. Except it's not because there are plenty of more rational ways of making yourself happy.

[QUOTE=Bobie;33259775]from what ive seen on fp every athiest is a lonely cynic anyway, so this cant be too far from the truth[/QUOTE] are you serious

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33259795]Are you serious [editline]11:27 AM[/editline] because that's like saying that black people must all be like the black people in that dominantly black ghetto neighborhood I went to![/QUOTE] what are you talking about black people for lol

[QUOTE=Bobie;33259775]from what ive seen on fp every athiest is a lonely cynic anyway, so this cant be too far from the truth[/QUOTE] i think religious people are fat and lazy racists

[QUOTE=Bobie;33259835]what are you talking about black people for lol[/QUOTE] It's just a random example of a minority of a large group, which the Facepunch atheists are, so it's equally as stupid to assume that a Facepunch atheist is the template for the rest of them as it would be to assume a group of black people from a dominantly black ghetto neighborhood are the template for all black people.

Personally I envy a common religious person. At least in Finland, they're not too pushy with their ideals but you can tell from people they hang out with and how they behave that they're religious. Other than that, they seem normally [B]happier[/B] than your general angsty teen. And hell, if they're certain that there's something waiting for them after death as to make it a thing less scary, why not. I could certainly do without feeling uncomfortable due to the finality of death. Can't see why happiness couldn't be real without being 100% logical and an atheist.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;33259865]It's just a random example of a minority of a large group, which the Facepunch atheists are, so it's equally as stupid to assume that a Facepunch atheist is the template for the rest of them as it would be to assume a group of black people from a dominantly black ghetto neighborhood are the template for all black people.[/QUOTE] i thought all blacks live in ghetto and eat chicken tho lmao like all athiests were leather trench coats and hate everyone and don't wash!!

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;33259612]Firstly, it's called Evolution, not Darwinism. Calling it that perpetuates a a fictional cult of personality around the idea. Modern evolutionary theory is somewhat different to what Darwin proposed, particularly in regards to genetic theory, which Darwin either was not aware of or did not fully comprehend the ramifications of it. Secondly, "They are doing it because that some lesser human beings are born to finding living in life disrupting virtual constraints is comfortable" I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that evolution implies that religious folk are somehow inferior beings? Or are you saying that people who try to discourage religion are inferior because they like disrupting societal constraints? Either way, evolution does not imply this at all, I don't know where the hell you got this idea from. Religion is a byproduct of evolution enforcing cohesion within groups. The root of religion is the same as the root of cognitive errors such as placing a disproportionate amount of trust into authority figures and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments]going with the beliefs of a group even when you can plainly see they are incorrect.[/url] How about no. Science is about trying to understand the world. We don't draw the line at investigating what goes on in the minds of religionists just because it might hurt their feelings to know the results. And no, science and religion contradict on a fundamental level.[/QUOTE] They are unrelated in many ways, for me comparing science and religion is like comparing gravity with KFC. I can beleive in both and its your own problem if you dont. Why i do this is because (watch out angsty teenagers out there) is that if i was the all mighty "sky wizard" and i suddenly one day decide "Well fuck this, imma make a world", i would atleast intergrate some kind of tiny little logic into it, why? I dont know, for the shit and giggles? And with those evolution guys(i dont deny evolution or anything) i meant those who are like "We created religion and god to have some kind of safety in a world where everything is inexplicable" [quote=LCBADs]I think he's trying to say that the whole "religion is good because it offers comforting lies" thing offends him[/quote] Exactly, :golfclap: to you. And in the end, in the end, neither of us two knows if there is anything hidden between the buns, and we might not even figure it out when we die.

[QUOTE=Valdor;33233674]odd, im not religious and i'm completely optimistic couldn't have to do with anything like living a good life... kinda hard to go to church every week if you're financially unstable or severely depressed to start with[/QUOTE] The article never said that it made religious people more optimistic than others. Your snide remark was not missed.

[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;33260239]They are unrelated in many ways, for me comparing science and religion is like comparing gravity with KFC.[/quote] Religion and science are two of humanity's biggest methods of figuring out how the universe works. I think we can compare the two. [quote]I can beleive in both and its your own problem if you dont.[/quote] My problem that I don't believe that the universe, simltaneously, has established rules by which it operates -AND- that there's a all-powerful cosmic magician who can break those rules at will. [quote]Why i do this is because (watch out angsty teenagers out there) is that if i was the all mighty "sky wizard" and i suddenly one day decide "Well fuck this, imma make a world", i would atleast intergrate some kind of tiny little logic into it, why? I dont know, for the shit and giggles?[/quote] "well this is how I would to it if I were the omnipotent, omniscient, ageless diety of everything, so that's how it happened." Nope, no gaps in your logic here. [quote]And with those evolution guys(i dont deny evolution or anything) i meant those who are like "We created religion and god to have some kind of safety in a world where everything is inexplicable"[/quote] Good to know. You're still being a pinhead about the whole thing though.

[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;33260239]They are unrelated in many ways, for me comparing science and religion is like comparing gravity with KFC. I can beleive in both and its your own problem if you dont. Why i do this is because (watch out angsty teenagers out there) is that if i was the all mighty "sky wizard" and i suddenly one day decide "Well fuck this, imma make a world", i would atleast intergrate some kind of tiny little logic into it, why? I dont know, for the shit and giggles?[/QUOTE] No, it really is your problem. If you're applying one cognitive ritual to science and another to religion, you've failed both. I really doubt you actually understand the scientific method at all.

[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;33259372]fuck you[/QUOTE] haha, I remember getting really deeply offended by rationalists as well

[QUOTE=Holy-Smokes;33260239]They are unrelated in many ways, for me comparing science and religion is like comparing gravity with KFC. I can beleive in both and its your own problem if you dont.[/quote] Religion often trespasses on scientific ground though. If your religion says that Earth is 6000 years old and was created in 6 days, with humans being created on the same day as the dinosaurs, those are claims that conflict with science. I don't see how you can believe our planet is 6000 years old while at the same time believing life evolved over a process of several billion years. [quote]And with those evolution guys(i dont deny evolution or anything) i meant those who are like "We created religion and god to have some kind of safety in a world where everything is inexplicable"[/quote] Is this really that hard to believe this is the case? The ancient Greeks used to think that thunderstorms were the result of Zeus getting mad. Now in modern times we have a complete scientific understanding of why we have thunderstorms, why we have tides (sorry Bill O'Reilly), why we have seasons, why we have night and day, why we have earthquakes, why we have all these different forms of life, etc. All of these things used to be explained away as basically "God did it" in ancient times because they couldn't explain it any other way at the time.

Religion makes me sad because I will go to hell for fapping. Ever since I left christianity I've been beating off without fear of satan abusing me.

[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;33233581]If you're an [B]atheist[/B], you: Are simply free from following the rules of any religious book.[/QUOTE] Like any sinner. Not only do they not follow religious rules, but also laws and unquestionable morals. As for the theists believing in afterlife/deity looking after them after they die; it's bullshit. The only good thing they do with their beliefs and their meaningless lives is that they don't hurt others as likely as some sinful killer who doesn't give a shit about shit like that.

Religion helps depressed people. Though for some populace groups it might increase it due to discrimination, I blame it on the conservativeness of the catholic church, most protestant churches are, for example, alot more accepting. [QUOTE=Bat-shit;33261121] As for the theists believing in afterlife/deity looking after them after they die; it's bullshit. The only good thing they do with their beliefs and their meaningless lives is that they don't hurt others as likely as some sinful killer who doesn't give a shit about shit like that.[/QUOTE] Wow now thats some edge you're packing there :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;33261121]Like any sinner. Not only do they not follow religious rules, but also laws and unquestionable morals. As for the theists believing in afterlife/deity looking after them after they die; it's bullshit. The only good thing they do with their beliefs and their meaningless lives is that they don't hurt others as likely as some sinful killer who doesn't give a shit about shit like that.[/QUOTE] How did you even come to the conclusion that atheists do not conform to morals and laws

[QUOTE=mankind_me;33261331]How did you even come to the conclusion that atheists do not conform to morals and laws[/QUOTE] Most of them do! I hope so anyway. But then there are those who don't, and there's a lot of them. On religious side too.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;33261351]Most of them do! I hope so anyway. But then there are those who don't, and there's a lot of them. On religious side too.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I'm wrong but I've seen more religious people dissing minorities than atheists

[QUOTE=mankind_me;33261415]Correct me if I'm wrong but I've seen more religious people dissing minorities than atheists[/QUOTE] Okay what a cool find you have there man... And funny you you speak on behalf of all atheists, knowing there's scumbag atheists.

Going to religious services makes me happy too. Laughing makes you happy.

"Ignorance is bliss"

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;33261471]Okay what a cool find you have there man... And funny you you speak on behalf of all atheists, knowing there's scumbag atheists.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure man, I was just saying from personal experience, and you're saying that like there's no scumbag theists either 5000 posts yay me