Climate change denial will be ‘default position’ of White House says Trump’s chief of staff
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[QUOTE=Mr Clean;51449553]property can be bought and put to use.
Jimmy on the corner moving to another state and happens to be within a 10km margin for bus terminal distribution
the average amecian moves 11.7 times in their lifetime
all it takes is timing[/QUOTE]
Finding the land and space for the terminals isn't an issue, most all of those houses and their surrounding area are rental properties owned by whichever real estate developer vomited them out, so you'd just have to deal with them. Like I said, the issue is reaching a point where taking the bus exceeds the thresholds of convenience and efficiency of just driving yourself
[QUOTE=Sitkero;51449614]Finding the land and space for the terminals isn't an issue, most all of those houses and their surrounding area are rental properties owned by whichever real estate developer vomited them out, so you'd just have to deal with them. Like I said, the issue is reaching a point where taking the bus exceeds the thresholds of convenience and efficiency of just driving yourself[/QUOTE]
I'd rather we worried about safeguarding the future of our planet instead of what's convenient.
make no mistake about it, we're going to have to be a little inconvenienced if we want to pull through this for future generations
by the time electric public transit became more convenient than self-driving, if it ever did, EVs would be standard anyway :v:
I was discussing this in regards to americans requiring transportation to maintain their livelihoods
[QUOTE=Mr Clean;51449553]you're thinking on too much of a short term
these buses are getting cheaper by the month
imagine how much all of this would cost 5 years from now. 10?
5 dollars per year from 150 million americans (that's being conservative, as it's less than half the US population ) can go a long way if put together with federal and state funding for the same amount of time.
it would eventually pay for itself (or even profit) if it became a standard across the country
change doesn't happen in a year[/QUOTE]
I'm not thinking short term, I'm being realistic. Where exactly are you getting the idea that half the US population is going to contribute $5 a year to expanding public transit? In case you missed it the incoming administration plans to cut taxes, not increase them. Do you have any source on the cost of these buses dropping monthly? The sites selling them don't exactly offer historical data.
Everything you keep bringing up seems a lot more like a "in a perfect world we would do this" rather than a realistic solution.
[QUOTE=Mr Clean;51449625][B]I'd rather we worried about safeguarding the future of our planet instead of what's convenient.
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by the time electric public transit became more convenient than self-driving, if it ever did, EVs would be standard anyway :v:
i was discussing this in regards to americans requiring transportation to maintain their livelihoods[/QUOTE]
I would too, but unfortunately it's a lot easier to get people to give a shit about convenience than it is to get them to give a shit about the future
[QUOTE=Anderan;51449629]I'm not thinking short term, I'm being realistic. Where exactly are you getting the idea that half the US population is going to contribute $5 a year to expanding public transit? In case you missed it the incoming administration plans to cut taxes, not increase them. Do you have any source on the cost of these buses dropping monthly? The sites selling them don't exactly offer historical data.[/QUOTE]
i'm not talking about taxes, i'm talking about crowdfunding, which is voluntary, and more susceptible to being accepted as it isn't forced like taxes, and 5 dollars per year is a lot less to ask than federal taxes.
Bus costs dropping monthly might be a bit of a hyperbole on my part, but it's speculation based on the dropped costs of producing them and their materials.
take EV batteries for example
[t]https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2016/05/Nature-EV-Battery-Prices-Cheaper-than-2020-Projections-570x348.png[/t]
[QUOTE=Mr Clean;51449589]i'm not claiming it would happen overnight
and distributing ebus terminals is far less taxing and take a lot less effort than expanding a metro system.
it's pretty disheartening to hear that story, though.
like i said, dreaming big[/QUOTE]
I hear what you're saying, and I think it's a noble goal, but it's a long-term solution. It's more than simple funding that is preventing the expansion of public transportation here. Certain interest groups are fighting hard to keep buslines and metro access [I]out[/I] of our suburban areas. Take a look at this map and see if you can guess why:
[t]https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4083/4988537059_540ffbc717_b.jpg[/t]
Red dots represent white people. Blue dots are black people. Ours is one of the most heavily segregated cities in the country. The blue (aka: black) areas are also overwhelmingly poor. Right now, what limited public transportation systems we do have (the metrolink and a couple of bus terminals), only exist in any significant capacity within the blue areas. Expanding it would allow greater mobility for the poor people living within them, many of whom can't afford cars and are thus otherwise stuck where they are. Can you guess why the wealthier red areas are fighting to prevent public transportation expansion?
People who say that racism is dead have never been to Saint Louis. There's a reason why tensions in Ferguson exploded during the Mike Brown fiasco. So, unfortunately, it's really not as simple as "just get some buses." It [I]should[/I] be, but it isn't. That's why it won't happen quickly. As racial tensions only become increasingly strained, the possibility of seeing public transit spread into the wider Saint Louis region seems increasingly distant.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51449629]
Everything you keep bringing up seems a lot more like a "in a perfect world we would do this" rather than a realistic solution.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if you see anything about what I'm saying as anything more than entertaining speculation. i'm very much saying "in a perfect world, we would do this"
but truth be told, doesn't have to be in a perfect world, but in a world that is slightly better than the one we have now, or at the very least a world where people agree with each other more often.
[editline]30th November 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sitkero;51449639]I would too, but unfortunately it's a lot easier to get people to give a shit about convenience than it is to get them to give a shit about the future[/QUOTE]
Aye, sad but true
[QUOTE=Mr Clean;51449652]i'm not talking about taxes, i'm talking about crowdfunding, which is voluntary, and more susceptible to being accepted as it isn't forced like taxes, and 5 dollars per year is a lot less to ask than federal taxes.
Bus costs dropping monthly might be a bit of a hyperbole on my part, but it's speculation based on the dropped costs of producing them and their materials.
take EV batteries for example
[t]https://c1cleantechnicacom-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/files/2016/05/Nature-EV-Battery-Prices-Cheaper-than-2020-Projections-570x348.png[/t][/QUOTE]
Getting 150 million Americans to crowd fund public transportation is even more unlikely. Again, where are you getting the idea that literally half the US population is going to contribute to the largest crowdfunding campaign in history. The most successful crowdfunding campaign to date raised something like 12 million, that is just barely higher than my city's public transportation budget last year. State grants just barely covered buying 4 new buses.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51449669]Getting 150 million Americans to crowd fund public transportation is even more unlikely. Again, where are you getting the idea that literally half the US population is going to contribute to the largest crowdfunding campaign in history.[/QUOTE]
because when you give people the choice, they are more likely to be willing to lend a helping hand.
the average percent of families in America that donate to religion alone per year is 45%, at an average of $1,703 per year (per family)
[I]​edited because i gave improper figures [/I]
Although, I do just want to say that it's [B]not[/B] hopeless. There are serious talks about a Metrolink expansion right now. Four potential routes have been proposed. None of them go into the red areas, of course, but it [I]is[/I] an expansion of public transport, and hopefully that also translates into an increase in mobility and job availability for those living in the poorest areas of our city. One of the proposed routes targets an area that has been experiencing a massive commercial and cultural boom: the Delmar Loop. Another proposed route connects to one of the city's largest employers: Boeing. Added bonus, the Boeing route would give me convenient access to a Metrolink station near my home, meaning I would actually have a viable public transit route into the city!
So, we are moving in the right direction. It's just happening very, very slowly. It's hard not to be a bit cynical, but things are not completely stagnant by any means.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51449683]Although, I do just want to say that it's [B]not[/B] hopeless. There are serious talks about a Metrolink expansion right now. Four potential routes have been proposed. None of them go into the red areas, of course, but it [I]is[/I] an expansion of public transport, and hopefully that also translates into an increase in mobility and job availability for those living in the poorest areas of our city. One of the proposed routes targets an area that has been experiencing a massive commercial and cultural boom: the Delmar Loop. Another proposed route connects to one of the city's largest employers: Boeing. Added bonus, the Boeing route would give me convenient access to a Metrolink station near my home, meaning I would actually have a viable public transit route into the city!
So, we are moving in the right direction. It's just happening very, very slowly. It's hard not to be a bit cynical, but things are not completely stagnant by any means.[/QUOTE]
That's good to hear.
it just goes to show how intricate and complicated the society we've built actually is
this is the first time in a while (or maybe ever) i've actually had a fun, non-hostile discussion on SH. Cheers.
imagine trumps 2nd term, you log on to fp to read the headline
Holocaust denial will be ‘default position’ of White House says Trump’s chief of staff
"we're open to listening but we think it's a crock of shit"
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[QUOTE=ShimTaco;51450957]-snip wrong thread sorry on phone-[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure no they don't.
Trump's gonna score a direct hit on the atmosphere if he keeps pulling this stuff.
Yeah, with the current team Trump is shaping, I fear they'll do their utmost to hamstring EV's anyway, in favor of big oil
Make America a third world country again. Well played, Trump voters.
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;51447550]This makes me so fucking sick.
You fucking idiots voted for this.[/QUOTE]
The majority didn't.
[editline]1st December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Govna;51448405]Hopefully things will get so bad that there is no security-- they'll be just as doomed as the rest of us and our descendants will be because of how severe the environmental impacts will be.
And if that doesn't pan out, then hopefully those of us who are left will make every possible effort to ensure that they don't survive either. Hopefully, if not out of justice, people will storm after them for their supplies and "security" and rip them to shreds in the process. We might be doomed, but we will drag them with us. They deserve it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I totally hope that the entire human race will be eradicated. That'll show those Bourgeois fucks.
[sp]/s[/sp]
[QUOTE=archangel125;51455250]Make America a third world country again. Well played, Trump voters.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the US government will finally send aid to here in America instead of places more fortunate (such as Hati).
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51449517]Twenty minutes away [I]by car[/I] is about the standard here. If I live within a twenty minute drive of groceries, shopping, work, and entertainment, I consider myself pretty well situated.[/QUOTE]
Distance in Texas is measured in hours. I'm lucky enough to live on an island, so everything is tight and about 20-30 minutes away due to traffic. But if I want anything that I can't get at Walmart of Target, I have to go over a bridge to the mainland, which will easily tack on another 20-30 minutes on the one way drive. And the mass transit is basically left to a handful of buses.
Well the silver lining is that the us salt export is booming
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