Texas House of Representatives passes abortion bill; Senate still needs to vote - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sgman91;41177060]You argue that I'm not an expert... and then take a position as if you were. Also, the statement that the fetus is part of the mother's body is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The flesh is made of completely different and independent DNA that has the potential to grow into a whole separate person. There are good arguments for abortion, but that isn't one of them. [/quote] The mother is more important than the fetus until it is viable, and viability can be determined as after the first trimester-ish. The composition of its DNA does not matter. This is not up for discussion. This has been set in stone since Roe vs Wade. I am not pretending to be an expert, I am simply reiterating facts said by experts, and debunking your claim to have knowledge you don't have.

Killing the fetus after 20 weeks is worse than giving it up for adoption after 4 months... (in my opinion) I know that woman rights are a concern here, though I'm very puzzled with this because before the baby actually comes out of the host, at some point the fetus gains consciousness - it becomes a sentient being... I think that "women rights" shouldn't even be a concern in this situation. If the woman wanted to do an abortion, she should have made that decision before those 20 weeks passed, which is a long time. You should be thinking of a possible abortion at the moment you get a positive pregnancy test. Unless - of course - she had a VERY good reason to keep the fetus that long. That's just my opinion ... [editline]25th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;41179494]It's not so much the time limits that make this bill awful as it is the restrictions on where an abortion can be performed. According to the article, 37 of the state's 42 centers for abortion would be forced to close for being unable to adhere to the new guidelines. The wording of the bill makes it sound well-meaning, by making "licensed surgery centers" at hospitals the only places women can get this work done, but that isn't making the procedure any safer than it already is, it's only making it prohibitively more expensive, and drastically more difficult to gain access to. The 20-week pregnancy thing is arbitrary and unimportant when compared to the fact that the vast majority of people who need/want abortions simply wouldn't have access to the locations that could give them under the new law, nor could they afford them given the rates that hospitals charge for admittance.[/QUOTE] Well, assuming that these "licensed surgery centers" are exclusively hospitals, yeah, I assume it would be expensive ( I don't really know, I live in a country where healthcare is only semi-privatized..). But assuming they aren't - these abortion centers could either close and be replaced by better, licensed ones - or, get a license. I also disagree with your statement about the safety of the operation, I would - had I been a woman getting an abortion - like to know that my body would be in the hands of a licensed surgeon. Plus - excuse my slight ignorance - where is Obama's public healthcare plan in all this?

[QUOTE=person11;41180895]The mother is more important than the fetus until it is viable, and viability can be determined as after the first trimester-ish. The composition of its DNA does not matter. This is not up for discussion. This has been set in stone since Roe vs Wade. I am not pretending to be an expert, I am simply reiterating facts said by experts, and debunking your claim to have knowledge you don't have.[/QUOTE] "The mother is more important than the fetus until it is viable" is VASTLY different than saying the fetus is part of the mothers body. All I ask is that you keep your arguments consistent.

Doesn't this bill also shut down like 3/4 of abortion clinics in the state or have I just been watching too much Rachel Maddow lately?

[QUOTE=sgman91;41182772]"The mother is more important than the fetus until it is viable" is VASTLY different than saying the fetus is part of the mothers body. All I ask is that you keep your arguments consistent.[/QUOTE] The mother's importance over the not viable fetus makes the status of the fetus as separate or not separate completely not important. The fetus is both a part of the mother and something separate in its potential to be something else. Its potential to be separate does not excuse it from being biologically attached to the mother. This attachment should only be possible based on the consent of the mother. Viability changes this, obviously. This is not complicated. [editline]25th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Smug Bastard;41183937]Doesn't this bill also shut down like 3/4 of abortion clinics in the state or have I just been watching too much Rachel Maddow lately?[/QUOTE] Much more than 75%

I saw "Texas House of" and thought this thread going to be a about BBQ rib place

if you seriously think the texas legislator is making a good faith attempt to increase the health of abortion clinics then you haven't been paying attention to the republican party, like at all

By the way a Democratic Congresswoman is talking for 13 hour straight today. Fuck yeah actual filibusters!