Texas court to decide if homeschoolers can wait for the Rapture instead of teaching their kids - Polidicks

So, how many raptures we at right now? 8? 14? Yeah call me when it happens I'll be there to ask you what the weather is like before you all poof out of existence and violate every law of the universe

Homeschooling should be illegal imo.

[QUOTE=draugur;49071013]Homeschooling should be illegal imo.[/QUOTE] I disagree. One of the department heads at my old school and his wife taught their own kids because they think the education system is headed down the shitter, especially with the shit Michael Gove pulled.

Could someone tell me if they have tests the kids have to take or not? Here, homeschooling is legal, but requires you to take a test every year, which essentially assesses your level and grades you.

Varies state to state [url]http://www.thsc.org/getting-started/faqs/[/url]

[QUOTE=27X;49073663]Varies state to state [url]http://www.thsc.org/getting-started/faqs/[/url][/QUOTE]Which is unfortunate because, holy shit, thanks to the fucking Republican retard bus (and it rests entirely on them this time) we can't have a standardized education system. Oh boy though the shit they're teaching kids in schools these days, I remember helping my little sisters with their math and I had to stop and go, "wait, did I develop stupid or.. oh wait, the method they're using is completely fucking obtuse, okay, got it." We desperately need an education overhaul, so when those standardized tests come about they can be crisp, clean, efficient, and if need be they can be updated as we steadily grow smarter as a population. This would naturally apply to all homeschooled children, even the kids raised by bible-thumping nutbars who apparently think great rapture of 1998 is slightly delayed. You know, because two decades is like five minutes in God-time.

Eh the obtuse method of doing math, might be just you already being more advanced with it. I still remember when my dad (engineering graduate) tried to help me with my highschool math and his aproach to it. Completely ignoring that half the methods he used were utterly alien to me.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;49082970]Eh the obtuse method of doing math, might be just you already being more advanced with it. I still remember when my dad (engineering graduate) tried to help me with my highschool math and his aproach to it. Completely ignoring that half the methods he used were utterly alien to me.[/QUOTE] No since common core they've been teaching kids "new" math which is a bunch of heuristic approaches to solving things but all that is completely garbage when you get into higher level stuff that requires actual logical order. The reason they teach it is because it gets results and is supposed to be easier to teach, but its also confusing, arbitrary, and leads to utterly garbage test questions on methods that are pointless

[QUOTE=Sableye;49083018]No since common core they've been teaching kids "new" math which is a bunch of heuristic approaches to solving things but all that is completely garbage when you get into higher level stuff that requires actual logical order. The reason they teach it is because it gets results and is supposed to be easier to teach, but its also confusing, arbitrary, and leads to utterly garbage test questions on methods that are pointless[/QUOTE] Isn't low grade common core essentially - count to the nearest ten so you understand what numbers are actually composed off? The whole - understand numbers is pretty much the entire premise of common core if I understand it correctly. Which explains pointless methods, since they're a means to an end. Which means you often need to understand stuff like seperating numbers into elements. Think back to your first few grades as well. There were countless needless steps involved, just to allow you to work more easily with bite sized pieces of numbers, once you went up higher, more of the chaff was dropped. The common core aproach has one benefit though. It builds stuff like subtraction on a command operand rather than having two different ones. I know that it helped me teach one of my sisters subtraction (the count up principle) and she had massive issues with the subtract from back. The main problem common core problem solving faces is two way a) parents used to one single method b) parents used to more effective and faster methods not understand that a lot of small kids need to understand the numbers first. It goes to the point you have some explain that 222-111=111 is much simpler than 222-111=9+80+22=111 Without actually explaining that the common aproach is. 222-115...12-5=7 | 20-(10+10) = 0 | 2-1=1 == 107 Common core isn't just a random set of heuristics. It's a why to understand how math operations work and numbers interact.

[QUOTE=MendozaMan;49070999]So, how many raptures we at right now? 8? 14? Yeah call me when it happens I'll be there to ask you what the weather is like before you all poof out of existence and violate every law of the universe[/QUOTE] Probably closer to 30, but 14 is the minumum. There was a page with a large list of virtually every rapture prediction ever recorded on it, along with those it was attributed to and additional info but I can't find it so [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events"]Wikipedia's list of dates predicted for apocalyptic events[/URL] will have to do. Just CTRL+F "Rapture".

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49070691]A pretty big problem with home schooling in general is that it isually doesnt cover the social aspect of education. A lot of home schooled kids quite simply don't have any social skills and that fucks up their future worse the any academic deficiencies[/QUOTE] There's this guy in class with me who was always just on his own, kinda never talking to anyone unless they talked to him, eating lunch by himself and so on. Spent about half the year like that before we'd had enough, so a few of us started talking to him and getting him to come eat with us instead of just going off on his own. Turns out he was home schooled, just really shy and no idea how to make friends. If we hadn't started talking to him he'd probably still be sitting by himself in every class. And I've met other home schooled kids like that, a lot of them just have no idea how to talk to people, which makes them come off weirdly even when they try (which probably gets them bad reactions and puts them off trying in the first place). Parents who want to insulate their kids from the "evils" of the school system usually forget that knowing how to interact with other people is a vital life skill.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;49071031]I disagree. One of the department heads at my old school and his wife taught their own kids because they think the education system is headed down the shitter, especially with the shit Michael Gove pulled.[/QUOTE] Yup. If I had kids that said "the current state of public education is total dog shit, I'm learning stuff I already knew from a few years ago" I'd definitely at least consider homeschooling so they can learn what THEY want, not stuff that should already be common sense by grade 10.

Homeschooling can be a great experience for some. I was home-schooled from grade 5 on. It was great for me. It allowed me to travel the country and have experiences that none of my peers were able to have. The school system in my city is/was awful and my sisters came out of it without much to show, so my mother decided to home-school me. She was very involved, created our own curriculum, ran a local home-school group. We got to do things like trips to Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, St.Louis, The Hoover Dam to a dog sledding trip in northern Minnesota. I was able to go on trips to see my favorite architecture as a kid, getting to see places like Falling Water. She arranged tours for mines, factories, historic places, marine sanctuaries and a ton of other educational places. Once I even was able to go on private tour of an active US navy Destroyer in Pearl Harbor. It was amazing what she could arrange just by going out of her way and asking the right people. She enjoyed teaching me so much that when I went off to college, so did she again. She now has her doctorate and is the head of a private college nursing department. I know my experience is absolutely not the norm though. The truth is that most home-schooled people are either home-schooled because they are socially impaired, disabled, extremely religious or the victims of helicopter parents. We never participated in any groups or anything to do with the local religious home school groups because they were creationist nut cases for the most part. My state had no requirements for homeschooling though, no standardized tests or curriculum approval. The only tests I ever took were the SAT's and the ACT's prior to going to college.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;49082970]Eh the obtuse method of doing math, might be just you already being more advanced with it. I still remember when my dad (engineering graduate) tried to help me with my highschool math and his aproach to it. Completely ignoring that half the methods he used were utterly alien to me.[/QUOTE] Nah, I think he just means schools are actually teaching math in ass backwards ways now. I heard this one place marked a kid wrong on the following question: 5 x 3 = ? Show your work. The kid's answer was: 15 because 5+5+5 = 15. The school marked his answer wrong because he didn't write it as 3+3+3+3+3 = 15... What the actual fuck.

I stopped reading the article when they said the government is "biased against Christians and accuse its officials of mounting a 'startling assertion of sweeping governmental power.'" As a Christians they should understand that you are to submit to the law and the government since they have been given authority over you and the only time you don't submit to the government is when the government goes against God, which clearly is not the case here. I question whether they actually are biblical Christians.

The solution to the education system becoming bad isn't to completely abandon it for a method that has zero sense of common regulation or standards. Sorry, that's like saying that since our roads are getting worse we should just stop using them and everyone can build their own roads to their own standards because clearly that'll work better for /some/ people. Homeschooling is just as much of a joke as the U.S. public education system, it's just dressed up as better by people that don't understand how public education works and/or should work. (hint, you are supposed to be moved forward to more advanced/honours classes if you're not learning anything.) For example, my high school back home even let us take classes at the local community college for dual credit as substitutes for our normal classes if we met the requirements to take them, and they would pay for the classes so long as we passed. Also "learning nothing" in school is literally bullshit it's more likely that they probably just didn't apply themselves to take proper classes. I don't know of a single school outside of maybe one in an inner city slum or a tiny ass rural school that won't offer honours courses or something very similar. The U.S. education system really just needs to push kids forward and establish a fucking proper national standard. "States rights" is a fucking stupid and worthless concept when it comes to education, and worse is the fact that it can vary down to each individual school district in a state, which is even fucking worse. (sex ed. being a prime example of how that ends up working) [editline]9th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=AlbertWesker;49085843]Nah, I think he just means schools are actually teaching math in ass backwards ways now. I heard this one place marked a kid wrong on the following question: 5 x 3 = ? Show your work. The kid's answer was: 15 because 5+5+5 = 15. The school marked his answer wrong because he didn't write it as 3+3+3+3+3 = 15... What the actual fuck.[/QUOTE] I saw that fake looking, artifact ridden facebook photo being shared by trash clickbait sources too.

[QUOTE=draugur;49085967](hint, you are supposed to be moved forward to more advanced/honours classes if you're not learning anything.)[/QUOTE] This is all fine and dandy until your advanced placement/honours classes are quite literally just more busy work/homework. At my old high school, my sister had friends from color guard that were in the same class as her, but AP/honours, and they compared what they were doing and it was [i]exactly[/i] the same. Only difference was the AP/honours students had more homework. [editline]9th November 2015[/editline] Not to mention in some places it is ridiculously hard to get moved forward but insanely easy to get held back. I was in private school up until half way through 6th grade. We moved and I transferred to public school. I was placed in 6th grade math despite being ahead from private school. I was then held back in 7th grade and placed in 6th grade math because I missed half a year of it, and had to fight tooth and nail to get placed in 8th grade math when I hit 8th grade... only to have never taken 7th grade math and have it introduce core concepts.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;49085843]Nah, I think he just means schools are actually teaching math in ass backwards ways now. I heard this one place marked a kid wrong on the following question: 5 x 3 = ? Show your work. The kid's answer was: 15 because 5+5+5 = 15. The school marked his answer wrong because he didn't write it as 3+3+3+3+3 = 15... What the actual fuck.[/QUOTE] Wasn't it 3x5 = 15 (as it 5 sets of three, not three sets of five) I mean it's excessively harsh and dumb for a school test but it's not technically wrong. There's probably some stupid common core reasoning behind the method.

[quote]17-year-old Tori, ran away from home saying she wanted to return to school. She was placed in ninth grade, since officials weren't sure she could handle higher-level work.[/quote] This must be why we had a 21 year old senior

I was homeschooled. Ours was surprisingly social. Met twice a week with like 12 other families. Once for sports. And once for science. (Yes, real science. No "Hur God made earf so Just cuz"). I feel bad for kids who get homeschooled like this. It doesn't have to be that way. I also got bored of highschool and tested out. Went into college at 16.

[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;49085843]Nah, I think he just means schools are actually teaching math in ass backwards ways now. I heard this one place marked a kid wrong on the following question:[/QUOTE][QUOTE=draugur;49085967]I saw that fake looking, artifact ridden facebook photo being shared by trash clickbait sources too.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=OvB;49086185]Wasn't it 3x5 = 15 (as it 5 sets of three, not three sets of five) I mean it's excessively harsh and dumb for a school test but it's not technically wrong.[/QUOTE]Well in my situation it was really, really stupid. I think the question was "7 x 3 = ?" and naturally I went "oh, I know that, it's 21!" but my little sisters said I had to show how I got there. So I was like, "hm, well write down seven plus seven..." and they got upset, so I asked them to show me and they did this: 3 x 2 = 6, 3 x 2 = 6, 6 + 6 = 12, 3 x 5 = 15, and then they stalled because they couldn't remember how to do the next part and I just stopped and stared for a little bit wondering why their dumb as fuck teacher made them approach this backwards. I wrote it down in a simple 7 x 2 = 14, 14 + 7 = 21, (expecting that the teacher wanted some double-step process rather than a simple 7 x 3 = 21) and told them explicitly if they get in trouble the teacher was to call me specifically. Well, that happened and we exchanged words and eventually it pushed my mother (among other incidents) to pull them out of school. That and given how terrible the winter was that year, she kept asking me to drive them home from school (the bus ride was the better part of an hour long) and sometimes that just couldn't happen. So yeah, I'm pretty big on homeschooling as a viable education option, though in Minnesota I think (and this is just from what my mom did with my little sisters) you need to actually be enrolled in some type of mail-in or online program at an actual school. It isn't just, "oh, well, we're just gonna talk about how Jesus was an action hero and fuck what the liberals say," but I can't say what it's like for other states.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;49092382]Well in my situation it was really, really stupid. I think the question was "7 x 3 = ?" and naturally I went "oh, I know that, it's 21!" but my little sisters said I had to show how I got there. So I was like, "hm, well write down seven plus seven..." and they got upset, so I asked them to show me and they did this: 3 x 2 = 6, 3 x 2 = 6, 6 + 6 = 12, 3 x 5 = 15, and then they stalled because they couldn't remember how to do the next part and I just stopped and stared for a little bit wondering why their dumb as fuck teacher made them approach this backwards. I wrote it down in a simple 7 x 2 = 14, 14 + 7 = 21, (expecting that the teacher wanted some double-step process rather than a simple 7 x 3 = 21) and told them explicitly if they get in trouble the teacher was to call me specifically. Well, that happened and we exchanged words and eventually it pushed my mother (among other incidents) to pull them out of school. That and given how terrible the winter was that year, she kept asking me to drive them home from school (the bus ride was the better part of an hour long) and sometimes that just couldn't happen. So yeah, I'm pretty big on homeschooling as a viable education option, though in Minnesota I think (and this is just from what my mom did with my little sisters) you need to actually be enrolled in some type of mail-in or online program at an actual school. It isn't just, "oh, well, we're just gonna talk about how Jesus was an action hero and fuck what the liberals say," but I can't say what it's like for other states.[/QUOTE] That's uh not common core multiplication at all. Since that's really different only when you're multiplying multiple digit numbers and is meant to teach you commutative rules. Single digit multiplication uses the same standard multiplication table as traditional algebra and then uses the 3x = x +x +x approach. IF their teacher fucked it up, it's not a common core problem. Okay I'll be more correct - the teach seems to have tried teaching commutative rules but your sisters didn't catch it correctly. It's entirely possible that they're using multiplication tables only up to 5x5 for now. As such they're trying to explain to the kids how numbers act in multiplication and that you can cut them up in order to get to the multiplication tables. As the correct setup for teaching commutatives would be 3*7 = 3*2 + 3*2 + 3*3 = 6 + 6 + 9 = 21, or 3*7=3*2+3*5=6+15=21 (the second one seems to make more sense given the numbers you've provided) As to why I'm assuming they're only moving to 5x5 - I still remember when we started multiplation a very very long time ago - that was the first limit as well, before proceeding to 10x. The truth is, it's possible the teacher went a bit early. Commutatives are normally taught only after reaching double digit numbers, as a way to make numbers easiers to digest. X * ABC = (x*A00)+(X*B0)+(X*c) = result, rather than X*ABC = X*C > carry n > X*B+N >carry n > X*A+N There wasn't a step your sisters forgot. They just got the math wrong imho. Really the main problem isn't that common core teaches stuff differently and with greater focus on understanding the rules behind the operations. But that parents don't understand it, because it's different from the methods (which are very formulaic) they used. Just take how many people forget or don't correctly learn PEMDAS. CC tries to alleviate the problem by combining operands and chaining them from very early on. The standard formulas are then thought as well, but later. Mind you, I don't teach math, but I can certainly see the rationale why and the methods behind CC. This sums it up nicely [quote] This math is frustrating to parents and to some students — with good reason. Elementary school math has become more complicated since the introduction of the Common Core state standards, which require that elementary school kids not just know how to subtract, multiply and divide, but understand what they're doing and why. [/quote] The goal of CC is actually commendable, since it forces people to understand the rules.

I think parents have to show that they'll be able to provide an equal or better standard of education to their kids if they want to homeschool them.