[QUOTE=Claxx;51510174]I never really expected him to do most of this outlandish shit he said he'd do, day 2 of his announced victory I decided I could give less of a shit what happens to Hillary at this point, prosectuion or no.
Hell I was genuinely suprised to find out he's actually going to try and build a wall.[/QUOTE]
Then why support him if he's not actually going to do what he says he's going to do?
What DID you expect him to do? Do you think his cabinet picks meet hose expectations?
EDIT: why, as a Canadian, do you support him?
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510204]Well most likely we'll see a cultural shift where the BLM and violent protest and identity politics bullshit get phased out and no longer recognized as valid platforms.[/QUOTE]
"people not listening to Trump is how he got elected"
"Trump won't listen to BLM"
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510204]Well most likely we'll see a cultural shift where the BLM and violent protest and identity politics bullshit get phased out and no longer recognized as valid platforms.[/QUOTE]
Our politics are extremely polarized, but Trump is not going to calm things down. If anything he's going to make things worse.
Also identity politics are such a minor problem, climate change and our economy are way more important. Get your priorties straight.
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510145]What? I don't really care to argue his staff picks, yeah, there's some good, there's bad, there's ugly.
Lmao what the fuck do you mean how did we "win", The candidate we supported won arguably the highest position of power on the planet. Are you trying to imply we haven't truly won till we've stood the trials of combat in brutal shitpost wars in the halls of Sensationalist headlines and intellectually bested everyone? Also we're not some collective hive mind that's going to fucking co-ordinate on some discord and go "AH YES BOYS WE STRIKE AGAINST THE GLOBALIST IN THIS THREAD AT THIS TIME, UNITED WE STAND! MAGA!"[/QUOTE]
You can't claim victory when there's more and more evidence that you got conned hard. People voted for what is essentially the Nigerian Prince of politics and you think you've somehow "won"?
hold on
Trump once called himself Mr. Brexit
Brexit ended up being a shambles with all their promises being scrapped in the first three months, with questionable cabinet choices
Trump has started backtracking on all his promises and has made questionable choices regarding staff
COINCIDENCE???
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510060]we already won and there's nothing left to argue.[/QUOTE]
Well there's the fact that Trump looks set to vindicate everything that the [i] "Scaremongering leftist liberal media"[/i] said about him, as well as him being guilty of half the shit people bagged on Clinton for doing.
You say that you "won", but if it turns out that the dude you voted for is just going to screw everyone over and cause a big fucking mess, then did you really?
This is the kind of thing people want to know. Obviously they opposed Trump, so they find everything he's going to do just as horrifying as they did before the election. But as supporters (several of whom spent a lot of the election trying to argue that Trump wouldn't do half of the stuff it turns out he [i] is [/i] going to do) how do you justify it? Do you even understand how damaging Trump's presidency is going to be? or is it a simple matter of not caring about other people?
Also can we cut the "boo hoo we are being dog-piled :'( Trump supporters are the victims here" stuff because it's kind of pathetic. You aren't being victimised because people expect you to substantiate your unflinching support for a terrible politician. If you can't (or are too scared to try to) justify your position then maybe it's because your position is terrible.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51507019]Greatest political flip-flop in modern times. Hes crossing everyone who voted for him[/QUOTE]
While mostly picking people no reasonable person would want as his cabinet
Simultaneously angering the left and right at the same time, brilliant.
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510060]It's not even shame we just don't feel like getting fucking dogpiled in pointless internet arguements after we already won and there's nothing left to argue.[/QUOTE]
You didn't win you guys got played like a fucking fiddle and everyone is laughing at you.
[editline]10th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510204]Well most likely we'll see a cultural shift where the BLM and violent protest and identity politics bullshit get phased out and no longer recognized as valid platforms.[/QUOTE]
Trump lost the popular vote by 2.6 million. If anything things are going to get worse.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51511015]You didn't win you guys got played like a fucking fiddle and everyone is laughing at you.
[editline]10th December 2016[/editline]
Trump lost the popular vote by 2.6 million. If anything things are going to get worse.[/QUOTE]
Please, it's "like a damn fiddle", not "like a fucking fiddle"
[video=youtube;KndXKm7Po8k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KndXKm7Po8k[/video]
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[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51510292]You can't claim victory when there's more and more evidence that you got conned hard. People voted for what is essentially the Nigerian Prince of politics and you think you've somehow "won"?[/QUOTE]
Well it depends on what type of supporter he is. If he voted Trump in because he had policies he agreed with, then the verdict is still out, but it seems a mixed bag.
If he voted Trump in because of the man only, then he won, although I'd personally disagree with voting in someone just because you like the face he/she presented in the public.
Oh well, she's probably gonna stroke out soon anyway. I stopped caring about all the Clinton drama after Trump won.
There is a 1% Chance based on Polls from CNN that Trump will lock Hillary Clinton up.
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510060]It's not even shame we just don't feel like getting fucking dogpiled in pointless internet arguements after we already won and there's nothing left to argue.[/QUOTE]
Ah so Trump is actually indefensible. Trump won, the american people lost.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51511015]You didn't win you guys got played like a fucking fiddle and everyone is laughing at you.
[/QUOTE]
The reason the word "Trumpet" was used to describe Trump posters who posted a bit obsessively in defense of him is because they were being played and used
[QUOTE=markfu;51511057]Well it depends on what type of supporter he is. If he voted Trump in because he had policies he agreed with, then the verdict is still out, but it seems a mixed bag.
If he voted Trump in because of the man only, then he won, although I'd personally disagree with voting in someone just because you like the face he/she presented in the public.[/QUOTE]
The face he presented to the public was either:
1) A facade, or
2) A glance at what a mediocre-at-best human being he was
So how anyone counts that as a victory is beyond me.
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510060]It's not even shame we just don't feel like getting fucking dogpiled in pointless internet arguements after we already won and there's nothing left to argue.[/QUOTE]
translation:
i've run out of ways to defend him, and it's growing too hard to ignore reality, so i'm just shutting myself out completely now.
you should be ashamed of yourself.
The funny thing though is when there is a Trump supporter coming on to a thread and defends Donald Trump.
That everyone starts attacking them/ grouping up on them.
Trump is not even in Office yet so how should he be able to "drain the swamp" or do most of the thing s he promised.
Also you do know that most if not all politicans say things to gain followers.
Just like with Obama , he promised a lot as well.
But Trump has already done some things that i haven't seen from Obama.
An example would be the Carrier deal which gave jobs/saved jobs to the American people.
Alas i don't understand why all of you just jump on the hate Trump train. Let the man show what he does, when he is in office. Then you will be able to judge him by his actions.
I think its great that an outsider won the election. You only had 2 , Trump and Bernie, its kinda sad that not enough democrats voted for Bernie.
I think then the election would have been even more interesting.
[QUOTE=Skanic;51512501]The funny thing though is when there is a Trump supporter coming on to a thread and defends Donald Trump.
That everyone starts attacking them/ grouping up on them.
Trump is not even in Office yet so how should he be able to "drain the swamp" or do most of the thing s he promised.
Also you do know that most if not all politicans say things to gain followers.
Just like with Obama , he promised a lot as well.
But Trump has already done some things that i haven't seen from Obama.
An example would be the Carrier deal which gave jobs/saved jobs to the American people.
Alas i don't understand why all of you just jump on the hate Trump train. Let the man show what he does, when he is in office. Then you will be able to judge him by his actions.
I think its great that an outsider won the election. You only had 2 , Trump and Bernie, its kinda sad that not enough democrats voted for Bernie.
I think then the election would have been even more interesting.[/QUOTE]
It's really great that a rich businessman who appointed other crooked rich businessmen and outright incompetents to the Cabinet won the election. The CEO who owns the Carrier subsidiary as part of his portfolio in United Technologies said that this deal will only lead to far fewer jobs because they don't want any more low skilled jobs when they're looking forward to automation as far as possible, while suggesting that it would be better for persons to be trained looking forward to this new future. He doesn't want to save any of those low level manufacturing jobs in the name of halting progress. The damage has already been done with these meathead cabinet selections, and four years of clean coal and big oil will ruin the environment. Add on to this that net neutrality has a Damocles' sword hanging over it.
Sometimes the outsider winning the election isn't as great as you think it is, and just as an FYI, Obama had to deal with a hostile congress opposing him quite a bit, preventing him from implementing the things he wanted in the format he wanted. On top of this, while ACA had its flaws, a lot of those flaws were because the republicans refused to pass the bill in its original format until it became a pared down inefficient shadow of its self causing issues to the taxpayers, and yet it was better because it allowed others to gain access to healthcare and health insurance.
[editline]11th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Claxx;51510204]Well most likely we'll see a cultural shift where the BLM and violent protest and identity politics bullshit get phased out and no longer recognized as valid platforms.[/QUOTE]
Ho, what an irony this is when Trump himself encouraged violent protest and offered to pay the legal fees for his supporters if they got arrested for beating folks up or causing violence.
The only problem i have with these is that its all from the same media that said Trump has a 1% chance of winning.
But as you know in politics its always the same, same trough different pig.
I am very optimistic though, and i am looking forward to see what he will do in 2017 when he is in office.
[QUOTE=Skanic;51512676]The only problem i have with these is that its all from the same media that said Trump has a 1% chance of winning.[/QUOTE]
So are you saying that Trump [i]didn't[/i] pick these people for his cabinet?
And that the republicans [i]aren't[/i] planning to axe social security?
And that Pence's entire claim to fame [i]isn't[/i] the fact he has a hard-on for torturing gay kids?
and that the liberal media just made it up? or got it wrong?
If not the awful people we have seen reported in the news, then who did he pick for all of these cabinet positions?
On another note, This is kinda why people on this forum are so frustrated with members who are also Trump supporters.
They stuck their fingers in their ears and refused to listen to anything that didn't support their position, spent all year vehemently defending Trump - claiming he was going to do all of these wonderful things, shake up the political landscape, change his mind on global warming and make america great etc.
And then he wins and almost immediately shows [b] We were right[/b]. We don't even need to wait and see what he does when he's in office, because he's already made his intentions perfectly clear. And funny enough, It turns out that the billionaire avatar of the exploitative 1% [i] isn't[/i] going to make America great again, he actually just plans to double-down on the corruption in Washington, fully commit to destroying the environment for profit, and completely screw over middle and working class people.
And how do these supporters react?, they get all smarmy for a bit, brag that they won, and then when shit starts to go down hill they stick their fingers in their ears and once again refuse to acknowledge anything that doesn't support their position, only stopping anywhere that isn't a thread about trump supporters being victimised, Muslims being evil or Trump being great, to make the occasional drive-by shitpost, or at best make some half arsed attempt to claim that the liberal media is still making it all up.
It's frustrating to have a group of what amounts to zealots at this point clogging sensationalist headlines with articles that push their agenda but then never showing up anywhere outside of the little bubble they have made.
[QUOTE=Skanic;51512676]The only problem i have with these is that its all from the same media that said Trump has a 1% chance of winning.
But as you know in politics its always the same, same trough different pig.
I am very optimistic though, and i am looking forward to see what he will do in 2017 when he is in office.[/QUOTE]
Its fascinating watching you dismiss so much evidence based on literally nothing but your paranoid distrust of all media.
However as a Trump supporter you'll probably only last about 3 more days before you say something fucked up and get yourself perma banned
[QUOTE=Skanic;51512676]The only problem i have with these is that its all from the same media that said Trump has a 1% chance of winning.
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theres a big difference between saying x has a low % chance of winning (which doesn't really mean anything, it has nothing to do with trusting the media or not believing it, because its SPECULATION)
and what he's actually doing, thats being reported by tons of different places.
I am not saying to dismiss all of the news they put up, but you have to take everything in consideration. Also i am not really a Trump supporter i am just being very optimistic.
Is he better than Hillary? maybe.
I also don't understand this end of the world rhetoric a lot of die hard Hillary/left people have.
The world is not going to end, its just taking a different path in direction.
Or stuff like racist this misogynistic that. A lot of people who voted for Trump are the same people that voted for Obama so i don't get people saying oh look how racist all of America is.
You never have had a person like Trump in politics, so he is basically a wildcard.
It would also have been very interesting to see Trump debate Bernie ,but sadly that didn't happen.
Also i am up for listing to things you have to say.
We can have a nice civil discussion.
[quote] also don't understand this end of the world rhetoric a lot of die hard Hillary/left people have.
The world is not going to end, its just taking a different path in direction.
Or stuff like racist this misogynistic that. A lot of people who voted for Trump are the same people that voted for Obama so i don't get people saying oh look how racist all of America is.
You never have had a person like Trump in politics, so he is basically a wildcard.[/quote]
They are afraid of change. Not the usual shift that happens each time the other party wins but the sheer fact that nobody knows what the hell trump is going to do. It's scary to think about yet we're all curious.
Also it's worth keeping in mind that the unofficial Facepunch election poll just before voting closed indicated that the majority of members here either voted for Clinton or expected Clinton to win so it should not at all be a surprise that so many members went rabid as soon as she lost.
I'm not saying the forum itself is left leaning but a lot of people are clawing at a reality they don't want to believe is happening. I don't like it either but oh well, I wasn't eligible to vote so he's here to stay.
All newly-elected presidents backtrack on things once they have secret service breathing down their neck.
Obama before getting into office: "We're going to end the war..."
After getting into office "... after things have cooled down a little, of course."
[QUOTE=Skanic;51513119]
The world is not going to end, its just taking a different path in direction.
[/QUOTE]
a direction we don't need, that may end up causing the world to end sooner than we think. Trump putting up climate change denial at a time where we really don't need it, the world may only be 20 or so years away from bigger problems and he's going to accelerate it. Talking about tax breaks for the mega rich that fuck over the lower and middle class. It's going to take a step back in the bush era, an era that pretty much no one liked.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;51513644]All newly-elected presidents backtrack on things once they have secret service breathing down their neck.
Obama before getting into office: "We're going to end the war..."
After getting into office "... after things have cooled down a little, of course."[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1544929"]Trump isn't going to his security briefings though[/URL]. He isn't listening to our intelligence agencies.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;51513007]Its fascinating watching you dismiss so much evidence based on literally nothing but your paranoid distrust of all media.
However as a Trump supporter you'll probably only last about 3 more days before you say something fucked up and get yourself perma banned[/QUOTE]
To be fair, he has a point. The media who tried to predict the election fucked up massively - but this was because the typical polling questions they used to gauge voter persuasion weren't relevant to modern day politics, and based on obsolete conditions of society. You can bet statisticians everywhere will be revising after this election. (One of the more interesting correlations being present in Trump supporters scoring far higher than average on the F-scale tests).
However when it comes to media going "Trump appointed this person with a demonstrable history of corruption and massive conflicts of interests" then it's basically calling a spade a spade. No journalistic investigation required.
[QUOTE=Skanic;51512501]
An example would be the Carrier deal which gave jobs/saved jobs to the American people.
[/QUOTE]
Alas...
Maybe it's because you're ignorant of how little he actually did to save anyones fucking jobs
[editline]11th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Skanic;51512676]The only problem i have with these is that its all from the same media that said Trump has a 1% chance of winning.
But as you know in politics its always the same, same trough different pig.
I am very optimistic though, and i am looking forward to see what he will do in 2017 when he is in office.[/QUOTE]
Oh my
He was never predicted to have a 1% chance of winning by anyone serious, look at the 538 numbers if you want real numbers, don't try and pad your own bias with more biased things to explain it all away
Huffposts bias showed through for sure but if you're really going to say "Nah nothing is true unless it comes from Trumps mouth" then you're kind of setting an impossible barrier to the "truth".
[editline]11th December 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Skanic;51513119]I am not saying to dismiss all of the news they put up, but you have to take everything in consideration. Also i am not really a Trump supporter i am just being very optimistic.
Is he better than Hillary? maybe.
I also don't understand this end of the world rhetoric a lot of die hard Hillary/left people have.
The world is not going to end, its just taking a different path in direction.
Or stuff like racist this misogynistic that. A lot of people who voted for Trump are the same people that voted for Obama so i don't get people saying oh look how racist all of America is.
You never have had a person like Trump in politics, so he is basically a wildcard.
It would also have been very interesting to see Trump debate Bernie ,but sadly that didn't happen.
Also i am up for listing to things you have to say.
We can have a nice civil discussion.[/QUOTE]
No the world isn't going to end it's just going to get dramatically worse for a large sect of people but you write that off as either an impossibility, or an extreme unlikelyhood when based on the picks Trump has made, the stated policies he has said, and the things he has done, he is certainly, [B]certainly[/B] going to be making the livilhoods of all the people he claimed he was going to help, worse.
How is that fucking okay
How come we can't criticism him
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51514055]
Oh my
He was never predicted to have a 1% chance of winning by anyone serious, look at the blahblahbalhblahblahblahblah
[/QUOTE]
If you are going to cherry pick then so will I.
Nobody predicted him to win by any margin.
[editline]asdas[/editline][quote]How come we can't criticism him [/quote]
You can. Just don't use low hanging fruit that either side would of used as ammunition anyways and as mentioned the press have been using like it's real journalism.
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