I thought it would only take a few minutes for the traveller, and a few hours for the observer.
I'm going to stop posting about relativity now because I don't know much about it and might give people the wrong impression.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;22367181]I thought it would only take a few minutes for the traveller, and a few hours for the observer.[/QUOTE]
What I just stated was based off of calculations for the amount of time it takes for light to reach Saturn. Maybe you're right in that it would take about an hour for us and a few minutes for the traveler.
All I know is we see at the speed of light, and if you look into space what you see is in the past or something like that.
Well basically manufacture anti matter, build valkyrie rocket, get to other planet, test shit
FUCK BITCHES!!!
[QUOTE=decilling;22367220]All I know is we see at the speed of light, and if you look into space what you see is in the past or something like that.[/QUOTE]
We don't 'see' at the speed of light, persay. Our brain processes about 300 images per second.
What you're referring to is the fact that light from distant objects takes a while to get here due to the sheer distance between the observer and the light source. Light has a speed of 299,792,458 meters per second.
Thus, we perceive outdated images of faraway objects like that of other galaxies.
[QUOTE=Negrul1;22366349]you think that because you're dumb
how are single celled organisms not life? by your logic plants and many animals aren't alive.[/QUOTE]
By your logic abortion is wrong because the foetus is alive.
Someone said by the Fried Marg criteria, robots are alive. Not true.
Feeding, respiration and excretion are part of their cycle for getting energy so they have that, some robots have movement and most die. The problem comes with reproduction, adaptability and growth. No robots can currently create more of themselves, they require humans to do that. Their adaptability is incredibly limited and has to basicly be programmed in, I can see it happening but right now they just don't have it. Growth is near impossible for most robots, some have the ability to be uggraded but they are not done by the robot itself and it isn't really growth at all.
Irritibility is a strange one, I guess some robots respond to negative signals but it's not a native feature for them.
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Time dilation is pretty big at 95% so that's gonna be a problem.
[img]http://www.thebigview.com/spacetime/tdgraphformula.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=decilling;22367220]All I know is we see at the speed of light, and if you look into space what you see is in the past or something like that.[/QUOTE]
Can you imagine some other distant life form looking back at us? Not only could they film the birth of the Earth, they can film Justin Bieber walking into a door again!
[QUOTE=bravehat;22367241]Well basically manufacture anti matter, build valkyrie rocket, get to other planet, test shit
FUCK BITCHES!!![/QUOTE]
Antimatter might seem like a viable source of energy because of a process called 'annihilation', in which 100% of the energy stored in mass is released (fusion comes in at 0.1% or something), but there are many obstacles standing in the way of harnessing antimatter.
Manufacturing and using antimatter is a bit more complicated than it might seem. For one, antimatter is exceptionally hard to manufacture. Antimatter is only being used in particle colliders at present time (protons being smashed into antiprotons). Why? CERN (the European Organization of Nuclear Research), the world's leading antiparticle producer, can only produce 10000000 antiprotons per second when all of its facilities are activated. To put that in perspective, 1 gram of antiprotons would take 2 billion years to manufacture.
In addition, controlling something as powerful as annihilation will take years of research.
tl;dr - hold your horses
someone post that picture with the squares relative to our size and the universe, it puts it all in perspective how small we are.
That's why I mentioned the Asimov array for production, fuck we could put a half dyson net on the far side of the sun if we wanna get into some really cool shit.
For the annihilation, read the stuff on project Valkyrie.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Valkyrie#Engines[/url]
It's done particle by particle, and I assume they would be keeping it in a magnetic confinement space.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22367298]Someone said by the Fried Marg criteria, robots are alive. Not true.
Feeding, respiration and excretion are part of their cycle for getting energy so they have that, some robots have movement and most die. The problem comes with reproduction, adaptability and growth. No robots can currently create more of themselves, they require humans to do that. Their adaptability is incredibly limited and has to basicly be programmed in, I can see it happening but right now they just don't have it. Growth is near impossible for most robots, some have the ability to be uggraded but they are not done by the robot itself and it isn't really growth at all.
Irritibility is a strange one, I guess some robots respond to negative signals but it's not a native feature for them.
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Time dilation is pretty big at 95% so that's gonna be a problem.
[img]http://www.thebigview.com/spacetime/tdgraphformula.gif[/img][/QUOTE]
1) Irritability just means response to stimuli, I presume
2) It would still take about 1 hour and 10 seconds to reach Saturn, time dilation would just make the journey remarkably shorter for our travelers.
I'm going to wait until we figure out some kind of FTL transport. I'll happily work on the ships but I'll leave the generation long voyages to other people.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22367416]That's why I mentioned the Asimov array for production, fuck we could put a half dyson net on the far side of the sun if we wanna get into some really cool shit.
For the annihilation, read the stuff on project Valkyrie.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Valkyrie#Engines[/url]
It's done particle by particle, and I assume they would be keeping it in a magnetic confinement space.[/QUOTE]
Err, Asimov was a sci-fi writer. Not to put him down, he was brilliant, but it's a science fiction concept.
[QUOTE=billeh!;22367523]Err, Asimov was a sci-fi writer. Not to put him down, he was brilliant, but it's a science fiction concept.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.charlespellegrino.com/propulsion.htm[/url]
From a dude who worked with him:
[QUOTE]Valkyrie's chief designers were James Powell and Charles Pellegrino, with vital inputs from particle physicist Hiroshi Takahashi on the initial 'water pulse' engine design (60 bursts per second). I[B]saac Asimov (who is best remembered for his science fiction, but he was also a scientist and , at that, a brilliant theorist) corrected some serious errors in what became known later as the Asimov Array[/B][/QUOTE].
It's called the Asimov array because he fixed it.
This is awesome, if we can find another source of life even in just our little solar system, think of how much there has to be in other ones! And the chance of one of those lifeforms being sentient is increased dramatically.
Also : Stop feeding the troll!
[QUOTE=Roktarok;22367686]This is awesome, if we can find another source of life even in just our little solar system, think of how much there has to be in other ones! And the chance of one of those lifeforms being sentient is increased dramatically.
Also : Stop feeding the troll![/QUOTE]
I do not see any trolls in this thread.
[QUOTE=altthe6th;22366574]no. My logic everything is alive, but not life. These little things do not have a life, why cant anyone grasp what I am saying...[/QUOTE]
what in the hell, I can't make heads or tails of this shit.
[QUOTE=billeh!;22366498]What is that?[/QUOTE]
It was from the Star wars Christmas special.
It's Chewbacca's dad.
Lake of methane? I demand that it be called lake of farts.
[QUOTE=billeh!;22367444]2) It would still take about 1 hour and 10 seconds to reach Saturn, time dilation would just make the journey remarkably shorter for our travelers.[/QUOTE]
Does this include acceleration/deceleration time? Because if you suddenly accelerate to 95% of the speed of light everyone inside will be crushed to a pulp.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22367598][url]http://www.charlespellegrino.com/propulsion.htm[/url]
From a dude who worked with him:
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It's called the Asimov array because he fixed it.[/QUOTE]
I skimmed that article and Googled 'Asimov array' but came up dry. The article really focuses on the Valkyrie rocket, and its subsequent VASMIR offshoot (which yielded some really bad-ass YouTube videos, by the way).
I am really interested in the Asimov array, though, so if you have any literature that you know of on it, I would appreciate it if you shared that with me.
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[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;22367892]Does this include acceleration/deceleration time? Because if you suddenly accelerate to 95% of the speed of light everyone inside will be crushed to a pulp.[/QUOTE]
Good point, no it doesn't.
Was in the first paragraph and its a fleeting mention but still it's there. I'll try to find some for you.
[QUOTE=altthe6th;22366574]no. My logic everything is alive, but not life. These little things do not have a life, why cant anyone grasp what I am saying...[/QUOTE]
By that logic, world of warcraft players must also not be alive eh?
[QUOTE=Vexont;22365954]Its atmosphere and planet-side climate is that of a proto-earth, it's like watching earth be born again as a moon. It isn't surprising in the least that life will start cropping up on it in the next few million years, evolution being the slow process it is.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't aware that proto-Earth was so cold that the methane condensed into lakes.
[QUOTE=altthe6th;22366574]no. My logic everything is alive, but not life. These little things do not have a life[/QUOTE]
so by your logic you're not a living creature either? :xd:
[QUOTE=bravehat;22367074]If we constructed an Asimov array to manufacture anti matter then we could use valkyrie rockets which reach like 95% light speed and we would be there in far fewer than 3 generations, if I remember correctly they would get us to mars in something like 4 days, so to get to Titan would probably be around (total guess here going from memory so this will be either a bit off or totally wrong) 10 years.[/QUOTE]
OMG OMG someone mentioned Valkyrie rockets and IT WASN'T ME, IT WASN'T ME
Oh God it's the end of days :derp:
Well, my bet is that when (observe choice of word) we find extraterrestrial life, we will find it on Titan, so this wasn't unexpected.
Awesome whatsoever.
I wish the probe, that landed on Titan, landed in the lakes. I would love to see a large body of liquid from another world.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22367241]Well basically manufacture anti matter, build valkyrie rocket, get to other planet, test shit
FUCK BITCHES!!![/QUOTE]
Why waste amat on interplanetary rockets? Just use ion propulsion on those, antimatter will probably be reserved for antimatter interstellar rockets.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22366867]OK you can be the astronaut.
I'll always remember how bravehat's grandkids were the first ones to step on Titan.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bravehat;22367074]If we constructed an Asimov array to manufacture anti matter then we could use valkyrie rockets which reach like 95% light speed and we would be there in far fewer than 3 generations, if I remember correctly they would get us to mars in something like 4 days, so to get to Titan would probably be around (total guess here going from memory so this will be either a bit off or totally wrong) 10 years.[/QUOTE]
exactly how big do you guys think our solar system is? going to titan would be an interplanetary mission... not some crazy interstellar mission. it took only 10 years for cassini to reach saturn and that was using old tech. imagine getting there using current tech!
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