Al Sharpton to lead 100 city-wide Trayvon Martin rallies - Polidicks

[QUOTE=benwaddi;41495325]Socrates predates those empires by about a thousand years. But those empires should be more widely known, shame the manuscripts in Timbuktu were burned last year. The history of them selling slaves to the arabs should be included in the teaching about them. I am guessing reverend Al is leaving that part out.[/QUOTE] And how the slave trade didn't really involve white people taking slaves, but buying them from other Africans in exchange for booze.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495278]He's claiming that Africa was doing better than the Europeans during like before 600 BCE. If the only presence where you can point to a non arab africa doing well is some short lived states during or after colonialism, it's not helping your case.[/QUOTE] The Ethiopian empire, officially, lasted 837 years. I'm not talking about his claim, I'm arguing with your claim that the only "consistently thriving" part of Africa was Egypt. Between wars and famines and plagues you'd have a hard time making a case for any nation to "consistently thrive" for more than a few hundred years, with the possible exception of, like, Imperial China. Even the Roman Empire, in it's traditional definition, only lasted like 500 years.

And while the state lasted for that time, they were mainly isolated mountain people until the Portuguese propped them up and modernized them.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495278]He's claiming that Africa was doing better than the Europeans during like before 600 BCE. If the only presence where you can point to a non arab africa doing well is some short lived states during or after colonialism, it's not helping your case.[/QUOTE] africa has a pretty long and dignified history of culture, religion, empires, etc. it's hardly taught in schools but people in africa did build great things. in fact, during the middle ages/early modern era, swahili city-states in africa were often doing better than europeans were because they traded a ton through the indian ocean trade-routes, a system of trade that was more effective and prosperous than the silk road, although europeans had very little access to it until later.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495342]And how the slave trade didn't really involve white people taking slaves, but buying them from other Africans in exchange for booze.[/QUOTE] I learned that in school, though lotsa people like to parrot that fact around like it somehow makes western countries somehow less responsible for the slave trade. Fun fact: Slavery in Africa was very distinct to slavery as it was practiced in western nations. In Africa, slavery more resembled the slavery of Ancient greece, where slaves had legal rights, the potential to buy their own freedom, and could even marry into, and become part of the family of their owners. [B]While this sort of slavery certainly isn't okay[/B], [I]it's a pretty harsh contrast to the incredibly cruel and historically unique[/I] form of slavery that was practiced in the southern united states, and those African slavers absolutely had no idea what kind of life they were selling those slaves into. Learning about history is fun. [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495415]And while the state lasted for that time, they were mainly isolated mountain people until the Portuguese propped them up and [b]modernized them.[/b][/QUOTE] ahahahaha that's fucking disgusting

I'm glad to see that Facepunch has revealed their true colors on race and women in the past few days. On women: "Women are whores and sluts trying to lie to ruin innocent men's lives because they're devious cunts!" On blacks: "Niggers are the real racists! They need to stop chimping out and breaking things whenever one of their kind get killed!"

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41495483] ahahahaha that's fucking disgusting[/QUOTE] I'm talking modernized militarily. You think that they could fend off European colonial powers with spears? [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ziron;41495586]I'm glad to see that Facepunch has revealed their true colors on race and women in the past few days. On women: "Women are whores and sluts trying to lie to ruin innocent men's lives because they're devious cunts!" On blacks: "Niggers are the real racists! They need to stop chimping out and breaking things whenever one of their kind get killed!"[/QUOTE] It's not even close to that. It's that things aren't fucking black and white and that it's hypocritical to call for and cause death and destruction over something that was legally and rightfully dealt with in court.

I'm going to put this gently so people don't immediately lose their shit but dehumanizing everyone who supports Trayvon martin by calling them robots as at least 3 different thread titles have done in, like, the past 48 hours has some disconcerting parallels to similar tactics used by [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogsiren.gif[/img]racists[img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogsiren.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=benwaddi;41494953]Al and Jesse like to keep white on black incidents in the media, has he mentioned any of the kids shot in Chicago or other places through gang violence? Between Jeantels comments about gay rapists and the picture below the LGBT community should be disgusted that these two are not called out on this shit. [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005427_10151704413094675_689827486_n.jpg[/IMG] Fucking coolest guy ever right here.[/QUOTE] 'scuse me but I'm pretty sure that Africa only recently became anything short of a hell hole, and a good part of it can still be considered a reference point for the most impoverished part of the world. [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Ziron;41495586]I'm glad to see that Facepunch has revealed their true colors on race and women in the past few days. On women: "Women are whores and sluts trying to lie to ruin innocent men's lives because they're devious cunts!" On blacks: "Niggers are the real racists! They need to stop chimping out and breaking things whenever one of their kind get killed!"[/QUOTE] Things aren't nearly that black and white, when people act like assholes we're going to talk about them being assholes. If a mother kidnaps her kid, she's evil. If a black rights acivist is encouraging people to act like animals and violently attack people, he is being evil. You can't expect us to sing the good graces of people in a discussion about something awful that that person did.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495614] It's not even close to that. It's that things aren't fucking black and white and that it's hypocritical to call for and cause death and destruction over something that was legally and rightfully dealt with in court.[/QUOTE] Just try to step into somebody else shoes, please. If you are a member of a group who was historically, and to this day is still, discriminated against by the American legal system; then the statement "it was legally and rightfully dealt with in court" is not going to mean all that much to you. I understand that here in the Echo chamber that "he was found not guilty in a court of law, case closed" is some sort of be all end all but just a small change in your vantage point can radically change your interpretation of the events that led up to that decision. You can continue to think Zimmerman is innocent but please at least give the people that you disagree with the dignity of being referred to as human fucking beings.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495614]I'm talking modernized militarily. You think that they could fend off European colonial powers with spears? [/QUOTE] until the invention of machine guns and antibiotics african nations were very successful at fighting off european aggression. it wasn't until the 19th century that real colonization of africa began, before that there were mostly sporadic trading posts throughout africa that really mostly only had the purpose of trying to get in on the lucrative trade going on through the indian ocean.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41495676]I'm going to put this gently so people don't immediately lose their shit but dehumanizing everyone who supports Trayvon martin by calling them robots as at least 3 different thread titles have done in, like, the past 48 hours has some disconcerting parallels to similar tactics used by [img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogsiren.gif[/img]racists[img]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-frogsiren.gif[/img][/QUOTE] It's kind of dehumanized already if you completely lose your shit and start rioting and causing violence over hearing two words. "not guilty"

[QUOTE=katbug;41495695]'scuse me but I'm pretty sure that Africa only recently became anything short of a hell hole, and a good part of it can still be considered a reference point for the most impoverished part of the world.[/QUOTE] Africa used to be pretty successful. They had a couple of empires that were pretty wealthy. That whole Sahara desert cutting them off from the world didn't help a bunch. This guy is an idiot. His most hilarious act in my opinion is getting enraged about the Boondocks for having MLK say nigga.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495740]It's kind of dehumanized already if you completely lose your shit and start rioting and causing violence over hearing two words. "not guilty"[/QUOTE] you equating all the protests with some riots would be like me equating the civil rights movement with the black panthers patrolling neighborhoods with guns. you are ignoring a ton of other civil unrest that happened through various other organizations.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495740]It's kind of dehumanized already if you completely lose your shit and start rioting and causing violence over hearing two words. "not guilty"[/QUOTE] Those negros need to stop forcing me to think they're subhuman trash with their rioting!!!!

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41495737]until the invention of machine guns and antibiotics african nations were very successful at fighting off european aggression. it wasn't until the 19th century that real colonization of africa began, before that there were mostly sporadic trading posts throughout africa that really mostly only had the purpose of trying to get in on the lucrative trade going on through the indian ocean.[/QUOTE] Aside from a numerical advantage of a couple hundred to a couple thousand guys vs an entire populace, that's what I'm talking about. There were several efforts to colonize Ethiopia and most were fended off because of different powers arming them to sabotage the other powers. I guess the most notable example is the Italian-Ethiopian war. The French and Russians gave the Ethiopians about a hundred thousand firearms to fight off twelve thousand Italians.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495740]It's kind of dehumanized already if you completely lose your shit and start rioting and causing violence over hearing two words. "not guilty"[/QUOTE] i'm just going to move this here, dude: [QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41495735]Just try to step into somebody else shoes, please. If you are a member of a group who was historically, and to this day is still, discriminated against by the American legal system; then the statement "it was legally and rightfully dealt with in court" is not going to mean all that much to you. I understand that here in the Echo chamber that "he was found not guilty in a court of law, case closed" is some sort of be all end all but just a small change in your vantage point can radically change your interpretation of the events that led up to that decision. You can continue to think Zimmerman is innocent but please at least give the people that you disagree with the dignity of being referred to as human fucking beings.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41495782]you equating all the protests with some riots would be like me equating the civil rights movement with the black panthers patrolling neighborhoods with guns. you are ignoring a ton of other civil unrest that happened through various other organizations.[/QUOTE] I'm not equating protests to riots, I'm not the one calling them traybots and I never have. I'm saying that there's a distinction to the rioters and that they're acting like a hivemind compared to the protesters.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;41494460]And this is one of a lot of reasons why I don't watch or trust MSNBC anymore. They're really no better than Fox News, they're actually even more opinionated since all the hosts get together and jerk around how stupid Republicans are, and then shit like this happens![/QUOTE] I saw an interview on TV with either MSNBC or ABC and Julian Assange regarding Snowden. They ganged up on Assange to try and make him say he was all for endangering the government. He kept his cool, of course, and shut them down, at which point they abruptly ended the interview.

Just because something was decided in court doesn't mean that its fair and that you should never show any dissatisfaction over it. Courts have been wrong, big-time, over the years. What they declare is not infallible and should never be questioned. The courts know this; its why we have an appeals system. Look at the Supreme Court as an example of this. They're reversed on things like Plessy v. Ferguson.

[QUOTE=Ziron;41495787]Those negros need to stop forcing me to think they're subhuman trash with their rioting!!!![/QUOTE] I think that all rioting over not getting your way is silly. I called the Vancouver hockey riots silly, I call the la riots silly, etc etc. Mass violence over a trivial reaction is stupid no matter how you classify it.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495800]Aside from a numerical advantage of a couple hundred to a couple thousand guys vs an entire populace, that's what I'm talking about. There were several efforts to colonize Ethiopia and most were fended off because of different powers arming them to sabotage the other powers. I guess the most notable example is the Italian-Ethiopian war. The French and Russians gave the Ethiopians about a hundred thousand firearms to fight off twelve thousand Italians.[/QUOTE] i don't really get your point? nations have been involving themselves in conflicts like that since wars and nations have been around. you seem to be implying that africa was simply a backwards place that didn't really stand a chance against the europeans when africa had numerous empires and cultures who were capable of defending themselves against european aggression and that continued on until europe was able to invent the technology to subjugate most of africa in the 1800s.

[QUOTE=Ziron;41495865]Just because something was decided in court doesn't mean that its fair and that you should never show any dissatisfaction over it. Courts have been wrong, big-time, over the years. What they declare is not infallible and should never be questioned. The courts know this; its why we have an appeals system. Look at the Supreme Court as an example of this. They're reversed on things like Plessy v. Ferguson.[/QUOTE] And it's fine to protest. However, rioting and causing destruction and harm to people who have nothing to do with it is fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41495870]I think that all rioting over not getting your way is silly. I called the Vancouver hockey riots silly, I call the la riots silly, etc etc. Mass violence over a trivial reaction is stupid no matter how you classify it.[/QUOTE] When people are rioting, that's a big sign that there's a lot of dissatisfaction with something, such as how an issue is being treated. While rioting is wrong, that doesn't mean we can't learn something from it instead of just brushing it off as hooligans being meanies or using it to reinforce your existing biases on something.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41495735]Just try to step into somebody else shoes, please. If you are a member of a group who was historically, and to this day is still, discriminated against by the American legal system; then the statement "it was legally and rightfully dealt with in court" is not going to mean all that much to you. I understand that here in the Echo chamber that "he was found not guilty in a court of law, case closed" is some sort of be all end all but just a small change in your vantage point can radically change your interpretation of the events that led up to that decision. You can continue to think Zimmerman is innocent but please at least give the people that you disagree with the dignity of being referred to as human fucking beings.[/QUOTE] If they're going to act like animals, they're going to get treated like animals. [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41461189/drop/%21zimmerman/Riots.gif[/img] you don't act like this and then demand respect.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;41495885]i don't really get your point? nations have been involving themselves in conflicts like that since wars and nations have been around. you seem to be implying that africa was simply a backwards place that didn't really stand a chance against the europeans when africa had numerous empires and cultures who were capable of defending themselves against european aggression and that continued on until europe was able to invent the technology to subjugate most of africa in the 1800s.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what I'm saying. Al's claim was that Africa is this grand continent and that we were great but white people took advantage of us and stole all our shit! It's not true and the only real exceptions were thousands of years in the future. [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] You have in your hand, all the technology you could possibly need to innovate and create given to you by foreigners. Instead you just sit on it, while it rots and your society becomes a synonym for "Look at this shithole". Get this, Africa being seen as a shithole is a development that came from post colonialism.

[QUOTE=Ziron;41495919]When people are rioting, that's a big sign that there's a lot of dissatisfaction with something, such as how an issue is being treated. While rioting is wrong, that doesn't mean we can't learn something from it instead of just brushing it off as hooligans being meanies or using it to reinforce your existing biases on something.[/QUOTE] So what we should learn is that the justice system is flawed when it disagrees with public opinion?

[QUOTE=katbug;41496033]If they're going to act like animals, they're going to get treated like animals. [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41461189/drop/%21zimmerman/Riots.gif[/img] you don't act like this and then demand respect.[/QUOTE] Hey guy, this thread is about rallies, not riots. We're talking about political rallies. The word "rally" is in the title. Just because you can't differentiate between a group of black people having a protest and riot doesn't mean you suddenly get to start calling people animals.

The default attitude that a rally led by Al Sharpton is definitely going to turn into a riot and ergo everyone involved gets to be treated like animals is kind of stupid looking back on American history and the fact that the vast majority of civil rights protests were peaceful. Additionally there is a nice twist of irony in that the people who have been posting the last week or so that [B]The Media[/B] is a single malicious entity out to purposefully create race conflict being the same people who seem to be under the mistaken impression that most of the Martin rallies over the weekend and up to today have been violent riots. As far as I'm aware the only rioting was in Oakland and LA. [editline]17th July 2013[/editline] For the record, I don't particularly agree with Al Sharpton or the general [I]need [/I]to protest since the case seemed like a pretty clear cut acquittal to me but as long as it remains peaceful they have all the right in the world to redress perceived grievances.

[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;41496283]So what we should learn is that the justice system is flawed when it disagrees with public opinion?[/QUOTE] The riots are trying to say "We believe that the justice system is biased against blacks", not "Zimmerman should've been found guilty". People don't riot over a single case. It's like saying the Rodney King riots were over people upset over King being beaten. That may've been one of the surface reasons, but the real reason was that the black community in LA was pissed over the LAPD's racism and decided to act on it. King's beating was the straw that broke the camel's back.