• John McCain: USA needs to "pull the trigger" on Iran
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[QUOTE=Waals Vander;21361116]hi thisispain[/QUOTE] what up dawg
[QUOTE=Mexican;21361239][img]http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/20080709IranMissilePhotoshop4.jpg[/img] so pro[/QUOTE] I see the ground plume one, but the one of the missile trial after launch doesn't look photoshoped to me, the only thing that is the same is the weird little pointy plume, which I believe is the point where a different rocket motor kicks in. Even if the ground ones are photoshopped to make the smoke look thicker, who cares? It isn't like they added twenty extra missiles or something.
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;21361305]I see the ground plume one, but the one of the missile trial after launch doesn't look photoshoped to me, the only thing that is the same is the weird little pointy plume, which I believe is the point where a different rocket motor kicks in. Even if the ground ones are photoshopped to make the smoke look thicker, who cares? It isn't like they added twenty extra missiles or something.[/QUOTE] In the original picture some of the missiles fail to launch.
[QUOTE=Siminov;21361202]Siminov[/QUOTE] Survey says: *BEEP BEEP* Nazi Furvert
[img]http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/iranmissilefail.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;21361305]I see the ground plume one, but the one of the missile trial after launch doesn't look photoshoped to me, the only thing that is the same is the weird little pointy plume, which I believe is the point where a different rocket motor kicks in.[/QUOTE] You can tell. They smudged it a little and color corrected it but if you look carefully it's obvious. [QUOTE=Kagrenak;21361305]Even if the ground ones are photoshopped to make the smoke look thicker, who cares? It isn't like they added twenty extra missiles or something.[/QUOTE] I know, I just think it's funny that half of this forum is better at Photoshop than Iranian propaganda.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21361319][img]http://scottthong.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/iranmissilefail.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Oh. Nevermind what I said. They did a damn good job of faking the launch that failed. [editline]12:07AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mexican;21361336]You can tell. They smudged it a little and color corrected it but if you look carefully it's obvious.[/QUOTE] Honestly, I think the stupid boxes get in the way.
[QUOTE=thisispain;21361318]Survey says: *BEEP BEEP* Nazi Furvert[/QUOTE] :downsbravo: Don't you have something better to waste your posts on. Oh wait... Your late...
When they launch nukes, we'll shoot them down and nuke the extra syllables out of their names.
[QUOTE=Siminov;21361351]:downsbravo: Your late... Don't you have something better to waste your posts on. Oh wait...[/QUOTE] You'd maintain so much more dignity and respect if you actually answered honestly.
[QUOTE=QuadCoreGman;21361389]When they launch nukes, we'll shoot them down and nuke the extra syllables out of their names.[/QUOTE] I thought they were still having problems with the counter missile defenses, as of a few months ago.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;21360045]I trust Iran with nukes more than I trust the US.[/QUOTE] There's the door. Now get the fuck out.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21361414]I thought they were still having problems with the counter missile defenses, as of a few months ago.[/QUOTE] Dunno, but I don't think that the U.S. missile shield would have gone completely down.
No, but they can't shoot down missiles, which is what the problem was.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21358966]War keeps the US economy alive.[/QUOTE] Just like Rome...
[QUOTE=radioactive;21358966]War keeps the US economy alive.[/QUOTE] To what end? You're so terribly bankrupt, you can't keep starting wars.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21358966]War keeps the US economy alive.[/QUOTE] No, TOTAL war helps the economy. That is when your entire nation is mobilized in a war effort. Invading Iran would just be another half assed financial and tactical quagmire.
[QUOTE=Siminov;21360809]That could be a good reason, but it is more dangerous because of the terriost actions going on in that region, where it could fall into [B]Al-Qaeda's[/B] hands. Punk kids = Al Qaeda Then yes[/QUOTE] [b]this is what siminov believes[/b] [img]http://www.cubeupload.com/files/882800icbm.png[/img]
itt: sanctions and embargoes = invasion
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;21361639]To what end? You're so terribly bankrupt, you can't keep starting wars.[/QUOTE] I'm assuming you haven't taken and Social Studies or History classes or else you'd know that War does indeed help the economy. Why do you think the 1920s were called the "Roaring Twenties"? Because the first world war had just ended and it boosted the economy. Then the Dirty thirties, and that only ended because of WWII, which again helped bring the economy up. Sadly, war does help the economy. [editline]05:46AM[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;21361653]No, TOTAL war helps the economy. That is when your entire nation is mobilized in a war effort. Invading Iran would just be another half assed financial and tactical quagmire.[/QUOTE] True, but declaring war on Iran wouldn't hurt the economy unless of course we're stuck in a war with them for another 10 years
[QUOTE=Pandamox;21362244]I'm assuming you haven't taken and Social Studies or History classes or else you'd know that War does indeed help the economy. Why do you think the 1920s were called the "Roaring Twenties"? Because the first world war had just ended and it boosted the economy. Then the Dirty thirties, and that only ended because of WWII, which again helped bring the economy up.[/QUOTE] thats cause the whole nation was committed to the war.
I posted this on another thread. [release]1. Last Spring, [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/may/06/israel-us-nuclear-non-proliferation"]Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.[/URL] Israel refused. 2. [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1115650.html"]The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. [/URL] Israel refused. 3. [URL="http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778884,00.html"]The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections.[/URL] Israel refused. 4. [URL="http://news.antiwar.com/2009/09/25/as-required-iran-informs-iaea-about-new-enrichment-site/"]Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty[/URL] which Iran has signed. 5. [URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090926/wl_afp/irannuclearpolitics"]Iran allows IAEA inspections [/URL]of all its facilities. 6. Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat. 7. The [URL="http://news.antiwar.com/2009/02/22/iaea-iran-not-capable-of-making-nuclear-weapons/"]IAEA[/URL] and [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/id/215529"]all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies [/URL]are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons. 8. In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and [URL="http://www.vanunu.com/uscampaign/photos.html"]provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.[/URL] 9. Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, [URL="http://www.antiwar.com/wanniski/?articleid=2721"]international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.[/URL] 10. Israel has yet again [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=923561"]skipped Nuclear talks[/URL] [/release]
Israel = Jewish, Not harbouring hostile Extremists Iran = Muslim, Known to supply Taliban and Al-Qaeda with Military Equipment, May/May not be harbouring Hostile extremists.
[QUOTE=Hick2;21363678]Israel = Jewish, Not harbouring hostile Extremists Iran = Muslim, Known to supply Taliban and Al-Qaeda with Military Equipment, May/May not be harbouring Hostile extremists.[/QUOTE] They are known to? Bullshit. Provide sources; you have no idea what you're talking about. Also, Israel = Known to defy international law, only nation in the Middle East that has refused to sign the Nuclear Proliferation treaty and has not allowed IAEA to inspect their nuclear program. Iran has.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;21359487]How the hell did you get war out of that? He said we need to cut off natural gas and such, but nothing was said about war. All options on the table means that if it comes to it, war is an option. That would be reserved for if they actually got their hands on nukes. The fact is that we need to do something more about Iran, McCain is right on that. What we are doing obviously isn't working, we need to step it up. I think we should try to avoid a war, but we are talking about a country led by a man who wants to wipe Israel off of the map, and is not exactly friendly towards the west as a whole. Don't make this about John McCain being senile, or about partisan-ship. This is an actual real-world issue that has consequences outside of government, and can save many lives or take many, and probably will end up doing both. A call to action is not a call to war, and McCain is right in his urge for the US to take action. Something needs to be done. Something besides the same old sanctions. I'm not saying attack, I'm just saying that we need to do more than the UN is doing, or pressure the UN to do more. War should be avoided, but if we have no choice(imminent attack, for instance) then go ahead. But McCain seems to be calling for more peaceful actions, not urging us to make war.[/QUOTE] Fucking A.
[QUOTE=radioactive;21358966]War keeps the US economy alive.[/QUOTE] If by alive you mean tens of trillions in debt, than by all means yes it does. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21360880]Marxist Furminism [b]edit:[/b] Anarcho-Indifurdualism[/QUOTE] Furcism?
Republicans.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;21359081]He's right actually, we have counters in our super markets that tell us how many insurgents we kill, the government gets $10 per insurgent.[/QUOTE] And where does the $10 come from Here's how a war on Iran would go: Reason? WMD Launch Capability Solution? 20 B-2 Bombers around the clock from Missouri, refueling over the Atlantic or maybe even station them in Germany (Doubtful as the B-2 requires climate controlled hangers) Dropping upwards of 300ish Bombs for 300 targets per flight, Along with 2 or 3 carrier groups flying non stop a couple days after the Initial bombings by the B-2's to establish air superiority while they continue to bomb them some more... there's no reason for a Regime change or Boots on the ground... I wouldn't even be surprised if they brought the F-117 out of retirement for a campaign against Iran The kicker is if we did that, all of Iran would be pissed, they'll even forget how the elections were rigged and unite against the West, and then we'll wish we had put some Boots on the ground. People will say Oh we don't have enough to spare... but we do, We are only a fraction occupied in Afghanistan The end
[QUOTE=Hick2;21363678]Israel = Jewish, Not harbouring hostile Extremists Iran = Muslim, Known to supply Taliban and Al-Qaeda with Military Equipment, May/May not be harbouring Hostile extremists.[/QUOTE] Haha you do know that Israeli terrorists invented modern terror doctrine and the car bomb right?
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