• NJ teacher who was late 111 times says he was eating breakfast
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[QUOTE=Rossy167;48564961]We're not robots and we can't teleport. Pull that stick out of your arse, we can't expect human beings to be 100% perfect all of the time. So the teacher wasn't being bright, but my form tutor is often late because of factors outside of his control like crashes on the motorway, I'm often late because my bus sometimes doesn't show up. Sometimes people forget to do things, sometimes there's that one wanker in the queue who can't decide whether or not he wants milk in his Americano or maybe you just overslept. There's human factors to everything, people are people, want zero tolerance? Go join the robot uprising. It is unreasonable for US schools to charge you for being late just for stepping in the door as the bell goes you're missing literally nothing. As for the military: zero tolerance and unquestioning authority are two of the most dangerous concepts that exist.[/QUOTE] Crashes on the motorway are one thing, habitual lateness with no valid excuses aren't acceptable. But thanks for proving my point about accountability ;) everyone wants to point fingers and make excuses and is afraid to be accountable by saying "yeah I fucked up", but excuses are the bricks that build your house of failure.
You guys had some strict-ass high schools, when I was there the only first-period class I had over 4 years that would send you with a foot in the door was Calculus. I would regularly be 5-10 minutes late to my first period classes like APUSH or Gov/Econ, nobody ever cared as long as I turned in my work and didn't disrupt class.
1 or 2 minutes holy shit execute him
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48565260]Crashes on the motorway are one thing, habitual lateness with no valid excuses aren't acceptable. But thanks for proving my point about accountability ;) everyone wants to point fingers and make excuses and is afraid to be accountable by saying "yeah I fucked up", but excuses are the bricks that build your house of failure.[/QUOTE] Eh, I'll admit when I fucked up (I do a lot) doesn't mean I deserve any kind of punishment for it.
[QUOTE=Araknid;48565375]1 or 2 minutes holy shit execute him[/QUOTE] Teachers are supposed to show up well before class starts to prepare. If he's late, the class can possibly start 15-20 minutes late as he prepares.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48565260]Crashes on the motorway are one thing, habitual lateness with no valid excuses aren't acceptable. But thanks for proving my point about accountability ;) everyone wants to point fingers and make excuses and is afraid to be accountable by saying "yeah I fucked up", but excuses are the bricks that build your house of failure.[/QUOTE] Hi, intentionally came in late for over a year on purpose solely to see how long in it would take to get caught. When caught, i was promoted when i should have been fired.
I have no idea why schools care so much if someone is tardy, i got detention because while i was knocking on my classroom door because it was locked and the teacher didnt open it in time before the bell rang. God help this man be late for teacher prep.
How the fuck is this news :v: Our teachers would always be late 1 to 2 minutes, that's nothing to give a crap about. We'd be more delayed waiting for late students
[QUOTE=agentfazexx;48567940]Teachers are supposed to show up well before class starts to prepare. If he's late, the class can possibly start 15-20 minutes late as he prepares.[/QUOTE] The article says prep time, not lesson time. [QUOTE]Anderson said he was one to two minutes late to school "at the most" but was prepared and was never late for class.[/QUOTE] I know it's his words but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, he's a teacher and one that's been working for 15 years. I respect that. I place much higher value on teachers and the education sector in general than I do on say the military.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48565260]Crashes on the motorway are one thing, habitual lateness with no valid excuses aren't acceptable. But thanks for proving my point about accountability ;) everyone wants to point fingers and make excuses and is afraid to be accountable by saying "yeah I fucked up", but excuses are the bricks that build your house of failure.[/QUOTE] This post is hilarious, especially with your attempt to draw comparisons with the United States' high school educational system and the military previously. Being one or two minutes late should not matter, ever. It's high school, not drill. So long as you do your work, do it well, and behave reasonably (as in aren't disruptive), you are not going to fail. Nor should you be failed. You shouldn't even have to provide an explanation as a student as to why you're a minute or two late in such a situation; you're almost an adult, that's none of the school's goddamned business, and you're performing fine. American schools are strict about everything because they like to see how much they can get away with; they overstep their boundaries all the time, especially in small towns where the line between professional matters and personal matters gets blurred. And then you've got the ones that are just overly-protective and flip shit over every little thing that happens because of valid legal fears and sometimes just absurd paranoia. Beyond that, there's faculty attempting to create images that will catch the competition's attention ("well [i]our[/i] school is disciplined and orderly and looks nice to both the eye and on paper with our standardized test results and attendance rate and athletic performance"), and they also want to distract from real issues afflicting their institutions; if they were confronted about these things, well damn-- then they'd actually have to get up and do work to fix them. My point being our educational system sucks (which is pretty well universally agreed upon by Americans anymore) and has actual serious issues it should be concerning itself with than whether or not "Steve, a high school senior class of 2016," shows up a few minutes early or a few minutes late. Being a few minutes late to class will not make you into a failure of a student. That's an absurd idea. Same with teachers, especially this one who always arrived prepared anyway. My guess is, the school wants rid of him for some reason (what reason, I do not know); he's been teaching for 15 years, and only [i]now[/i] do you take an issue with him being a little late? Why now? Why not before in the past two years that it's been a concern for you? You've been keeping such meticulous track of it after all. Having dealt with school administrators and their politics before, I'm inclined to take the side of a teacher over theirs. At least they didn't fire him, but this is still a mark on his record, and the school knows it. [editline]29th August 2015[/editline] And those comments on Fox itself about this are aneurysm-inducing, holy Jesus.
The comments in the article make me feel physically sick, the guys calling for military public schools are basically this guy's best mates in comparison.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48564871]Being in the military has taught me how to be more responsible and accountable for my actions. Tbh If you have your foot in the door while the bell rings you're more then just late since you should have been where you were going well before the assigned time.[/QUOTE] lmao being late to roll call and being late to a class in high school are two very different things
[QUOTE=Jund;48570841]lmao being late to roll call and being late to a class in high school are two very different things[/QUOTE] Being on time doesn't just apply to high school or the military, it's a life skill useful for being a fucking adult. It makes you look mature, responsible, and like you give a fuck. The sooner kids start working on that mentality (such as in High School) the easier it will be when they grow up.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;48564506]If I'm late for class by a minute, the teacher will send me to the office to get a tardy slip, and if that happens 3 times I get detention. If the teacher is late for class by 5 minutes, nothing happens other than every single person in class sitting in dead silence hoping they don't show up at all.[/QUOTE] We used to arrive like 20-30 mins late, and nobpdy cared :v:
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;48571396]I was late to my first class like every day for 2 years but my teachers loved me and I worked hard and did well so they didn't mind it[/QUOTE] Yes but being late to class you are taking IMO is a pretty different scenario to being late to your job. Which this guy was.
[QUOTE=Cold;48564750]Who even tracks people being late for 2 minutes[/QUOTE] he's paid for that 2 minutes whether he's there or not. if he's 2 minutes late 111 times that's 3.7 hours. the average US teacher makes a salary of $47,011. assuming they work 180 days for 8 hours a day they're getting paid approximately $22.50 an hour. $22.50 * 3.7 is $83.25. he's basically stolen 83 dollars [editline]30th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Kyle902;48565115]Think about it like this. In high school most students start at 8:00. A good portion of the student body has a 0 period and thus start school at 7:00. So in other words by 7:00 the teacher has to have prepared for the school day meaning that some of them arrive as early as 5 AM. Being 3 minutes late when you're expected to get up that early is understandable. I'm actually surprised that the school even noticed him being late at that point.[/QUOTE] I've never heard of a 0 period. if you showed up more than 30 minutes early at my high school the doors would still be locked
[QUOTE=Levelog;48571432]Yes but being late to class you are taking IMO is a pretty different scenario to being late to your job. Which this guy was.[/QUOTE] No he wasn't, there's a difference between actually late and arriving within minutes of the deadline.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48570861]Being on time doesn't just apply to high school or the military, it's a life skill useful for being a fucking adult. It makes you look mature, responsible, and like you give a fuck. The sooner kids start working on that mentality (such as in High School) the easier it will be when they grow up.[/QUOTE] This is an idiotic mentality that only relates to per-hour ethics. Work should be done based on completion, not so much forced timing. Precise timing is irrelevant as long as results are delivered within the appropriate time window.
you guys do realize he's an elementary school teacher there are no zero periods or shit for 10 year olds
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48570861]Being on time doesn't just apply to high school or the military, it's a life skill useful for being a fucking adult. It makes you look mature, responsible, and like you give a fuck. The sooner kids start working on that mentality (such as in High School) the easier it will be when they grow up.[/QUOTE] Yeah because anyone gives a fuck if you arrive two minutes late to something Arriving two minutes late isn't arriving late at all, unless you work in such a field where precise timing matters that much. In most cases? It doesn't at all. Unless you work at, I don't know, a TV news station or you're the person responsible for setting off fireworks at New Year's, chances are 6:30 and 6:32 are the exact same fucking thing. And in school, even college, that applies.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48570861]Being on time doesn't just apply to high school or the military, it's a life skill useful for being a fucking adult. It makes you look mature, responsible, and like you give a fuck. The sooner kids start working on that mentality (such as in High School) the easier it will be when they grow up.[/QUOTE] Iunno, I'm usually 1-2 minutes early or late every day to work. I'm not in a professional environment or anything, but you know who cares? No one. Because I do my job decently well and it doesn't affect results. I mean, hell, it's not like it matters, if you're paid on an hourly basis then you get paid the same whether you show up on time or 5 minutes late. If you and your buddies were going to do some yardwork and agreed to meet at 2pm and one of them shows up at 2:03 and one at 2:08 then are you going to lose your shit or get angry? Probably not. Why is the standard any different because it's a company instead of an informal gathering? In many countries you just agree to meet up at around x time and get to work when you get situated. Sometimes that's 15, 20 minutes later. And it's no big deal. In the former USSR you would show up around on-time, take an hour to get to work, take an hour lunch whenever, talk politics and shoot the shit for twenty minutes after a bit, take another lunch and a coffee break, and go home. We have this infatuation with punctuation and time management and work. Its silly. Never am I worried about making sure someone I've never met gets the extra few cents from me starting work exactly at 9:00 as opposed to 9:03.
And of course Christie is going to use this to try and fuck the teachers union.
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