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[QUOTE=redBadger;37066702]Yeah not buying their food sure put a dent in their pocket.[/QUOTE] Clearly I was right when I said you don't care about principle If you want to be an apathetic asshole fine, but don't come in here criticising people for having opinions
Not really. It's not a restaurants business to be dicking around in politics, but I don't care what they do with the money. They've got an amazing restaurant and a great company, despite this whole gay bullshit. but its their money to do with as they please, so I don't care. Call me what you want, but I've got myself to worry about.
[QUOTE=redBadger;37066733]Call me what you want[/QUOTE] A selfish hypocrite and a homophobe
[QUOTE=redBadger;37066733]Not really. It's not a restaurants business to be dicking around in politics, but I don't care what they do with the money. They've got an amazing restaurant and a great company, despite this whole gay bullshit. but its their money to do with as they please, so I don't care. Call me what you want, but I've got myself to worry about.[/QUOTE] so like he said, you're apathetic. so why don't you just shut the fuck up? if you have no opinion don't butt in. unlike like you some of us care about our fellow man even if that means inconveniencing ourselves by refraining from a certain fast food
[QUOTE=James*;37066716]Clearly I was right when I said you don't care about principle If you want to be an apathetic asshole fine, but don't come in here criticising people for having opinions[/QUOTE] Kind of like how I was criticized for having an opinion when this whole thing started? How'd you think I felt?
[QUOTE=redBadger;37066752]Kind of like how I was criticized for having an opinion when this whole thing started? How'd you think I felt?[/QUOTE] I'm not criticizing you for having an opinion I'm criticizing you for having a shitty one And if you sold chicken I wouldn't buy it
[QUOTE=redBadger;37066752]Kind of like how I was criticized for having an opinion when this whole thing started? How'd you think I felt?[/QUOTE] YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID THAT YOU DON'T CARE. THAT'S YOUR OPINION "I DON'T CARE" SO YOU HAVE A NON-OPINION. IF YOU DO HAVE AN OPINION IT'S "I DON'T CARE IF MY MONEY IS PUT TOWARDS MURDERING GAYS IN UGANDA OR STOPPING GAYS FROM LIVING HAPPILY IN THE USA AS LONG AS I GET MY CHICKEN" so what is it? you have no opinion, aka you should just stop posting because why bother joining a discussion if you have no opinion, or you have a disgusting and hateful opinion that DESERVES criticism
So giving someone money in the full knowledge that they will use it to wrongfully execute people is objectively wrong, yes? ...So why is it different when there's greasy chicken involved?
[QUOTE=redBadger;37066574]Yeah because every single person who went was a conservative homophobe. That would sure be a lot of people. you guys are fucking idiots. your only defense is the Uganda thing, which quite frankly is the only justifiable thing to be mad about. Being mad at a guy voicing his opinion only because he was asked his stance on the issue is fucking stupid to say the least. Donating money to anti gay groups as well is in their rights, so shut the fuck up and get over it. It's not like you guys are helping anyway.[/QUOTE] No one is necessarily attacking him for his opinion, they are attacking him for the fact that he [i]acted[/i] on them. Since he's a CEO with a lot of experience, he most likely knows what the context he would give if he donated to hate groups. Actions speak louder than words. No one deserves to respect him if he doesn't respect them.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;37066883]So giving someone money in the full knowledge that they will use it to wrongfully execute people is objectively wrong, yes? ...So why is it different when there's greasy chicken involved?[/QUOTE] "because the food is good lmao"
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;37067069]No one is necessarily attacking him for his opinion, they are attacking him for the fact that he [i]acted[/i] on them. Since he's a CEO with a lot of experience, he most likely knows what the context he would give if he donated to hate groups. Actions speak louder than words. No one deserves to respect him if he doesn't respect them.[/QUOTE] heck even if he didn't act on his opinions i'd attack him. it's fucked that some people are so into "YOU GOTTA RESPECT EVERY BODIES OPINIONS 100%" that they consider it a bad thing to attack a deplorable opinion. how are we meant to combat and eventually destroy ignorance & bigotry if we don't actively seek out and attack it
Well it's great to see that you people all sit on non-child made chairs and use non-slavelabour made computers while eating fruits that definitely did not come from a third world country where people don't have the basic rights and the money they make goes to dictators who use it to fund various atrocities.
Where there are viable alternatives, i.e. fairtrade, I use them
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;37064984]Just for the sake of anyone else in the thread, it's the Family Research Council that spent about $25,000 lobbying the government to not disapprove of that Ugandan bill. Chick-fil-a's charity arm, WinSharpe, has donated substantial dosh to them. Oh damn you got in before me To be fair it is slightly loose, but WinSharpe is basically tied to Chick-fil-a so I'd call that one and the same rather than a connection.[/QUOTE] Forget the FRC, Exodus international sent people to Uganda to convince them to pass KTG. Chick-Fil-A was funding them so their money basically went directly to killing gays.
[QUOTE=acds;37067746]Well it's great to see that you people all sit on non-child made chairs and use non-slavelabour made computers while eating fruits that definitely did not come from a third world country where people don't have the basic rights and the money they make goes to dictators who use it to fund various atrocities.[/QUOTE] hahaha nice non-argument. i'm wasting my time but let me just tell you, my computer chair was made in new zealand, the fruits i consume are grown in new zealand and i require a computer to work. might i add that i certainly don't support any of my computers parts being made in the way you claim they are and i'd do what i could to stop this. good work comparing that stuff to eating at a fucking fast food joint mate. seriously what the fuck lol. you're comparing eating fruit to eating fast food. let me just say that again lol, you're comparing eating fruit to eating fast food lmao [editline]4th August 2012[/editline] 'yes, my unhealthy artery-clogging fast food joint of choice actively supports anti-gay hate groups, but YOU use a computer (something that is basically required in modern life) that has parts made in awful conditions in china! (and i'm well aware that there is actually no alternative to this, unlike the 100's of alternative heart attacks i can choose from!)'
[QUOTE=acds;37067746]Well it's great to see that you people all sit on non-child made chairs and use non-slavelabour made computers while eating fruits that definitely did not come from a third world country where people don't have the basic rights and the money they make goes to dictators who use it to fund various atrocities.[/QUOTE] A majority of people don't know where those products are funded for. However, a majority of people knew for certain that Chick Fel Lay donated their money to hate groups, even the CEO said that himself. Despite everyone knowing about it, people still attended the mass event with the intention of ignoring/spiting the opposing side. This is what disturbed me the most. I think it's similar to the attitudes of the majority in the civil rights era. It's his choice, but I think it's an unreasonable one. It's equivalent to donating to the KKK because you hate gang violence.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;37068301]A majority of people don't know where those products are funded for. However, a majority of people knew for certain that Chick Fel Lay donated their money to hate groups, even the CEO said that himself. Despite everyone knowing about it, people still attended the mass event with the intention of ignoring/spiting the opposing side. This is what disturbed me the most. I think it's similar to the attitudes of the majority in the civil rights era. It's his choice, but I think it's an unreasonable one. It's equivalent to donating to the KKK because you hate gang violence.[/QUOTE] Those that eat there to support the funding of killings in Africa are retarded. That said, people can eat there and not support it, you aren't a homophobic murderer because you stopped to eat something there (not to mention, you might not know it). [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37067816]hahaha nice non-argument. i'm wasting my time but[/QUOTE] That's what I feel too. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37067816] let me just tell you, my computer chair was made in new zealand, the fruits i consume are grown in new zealand and i require a computer to work. might i add that i certainly don't support any of my computers parts being made in the way you claim they are and i'd do what i could to stop this.[/QUOTE] Because anyone eating at chick-fil-a supports the CEO's funding of African murders. Also I have some huge doubts that you don't use anything that has been made in an unethical way, mostly because it's almost impossible. You could probably have gone snooping around for a computer made in more ethical ways, but you didn't bother because it was more convenient to just buy one and not care (as for fruit, you probably can do that in some countries, but good luck doing the same in others). Also no you would not do what you can to stop it, you'd keep using it anyway. Everyone says this but when it's time to get off that ass and actually do something, the crowd of would-be-activists thins enormously. You'd do it as long as it isn't too much of a bother. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37067816] good work comparing that stuff to eating at a fucking fast food joint mate. seriously what the fuck lol. you're comparing eating fruit to eating fast food. let me just say that again lol, you're comparing eating fruit to eating fast food lmao[/QUOTE] So now how healthy stuff is affects this argument? Quite sure that either way when you buy it, the money goes to whoever sold it, no matter how good or bad it is for your health. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37067816] [editline]4th August 2012[/editline] 'yes, my unhealthy artery-clogging fast food joint of choice actively supports anti-gay hate groups, but YOU use a computer (something that is basically required in modern life) that has parts made in awful conditions in china! (and i'm well aware that there is actually no alternative to this, unlike the 100's of alternative heart attacks i can choose from!)'[/QUOTE] I'd hardly call it my fast food of choice considering it doesn't exist here and I've never eaten in one. Again, convenience (and possibly it's better than most other fast food? Different people like different food). There are alternatives, like I don't know, not buying that brand new GPU so you can run your games at 32x AA instead of 16x and fund the slavelabour (this isn't referred to you, just people here in general)? What's that? You want to play your game at 1200p? You mean just like some people want that specific dish and/or can't be arsed to take the car instead of just walking to the food?
[QUOTE=Fenriswolf;37060194]Heh, I work at chick fil a and I wasn't there to witness the chaos but one of my co-workers said that some guy came in an asked for, "2 Non-faggot sandwiches"[/QUOTE] The one time jerking off into a person's food would've been hilarious. I think what Chick Fil A is doing is terrible and I don't eat there, but everyone saying people are terrible people and assholes for eating there are laughable. If you're going to go that far to write them off as horrible human beings you better re-evaluate everything that your money goes towards, because supporting evil is unfortunately inevitable. I'll avoid the place when I can, but f I end up at a Chick Fil A with friends I won't be that guy that refuses to eat because it's kinda silly considering everywhere else I buy things from or subscribe to.
[QUOTE=acds;37067746]Well it's great to see that you people all sit on non-child made chairs and use non-slavelabour made computers while eating fruits that definitely did not come from a third world country where people don't have the basic rights and the money they make goes to dictators who use it to fund various atrocities.[/QUOTE] I like when people use this as a retort because they're basically saying that what X is doing is okay just because other things do X and perhaps Y.
[QUOTE=n0cturni;37068610]I like when people use this as a retort because they're basically saying that what X is doing is okay just because other things do X and perhaps Y.[/QUOTE] It doesn't make it ok, it just makes it funny when those people then accusing other people of being gay hating murderers and genocide supporters because they ate at a fastfood joint.
You know what? Fuck Facepunch. This topic is basically everything that's wrong with Facepunch in a nutshell. You know the leaps of logic and guilt by association that conservatives use to condemn people all the time and try to make it look like anyone who, for instance, watches comedy central or some shit, is an evil baby eating satan worshiper? This is the same god damned shit. [url]http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001[/url] Do you know how much money Winshape gave to Exodus International? $1000. That's less than 0.01% of their donation money. Aside from them the only one that did anything related to the Uganda issue is Family Research Council (who also got only $1000) and they've already said that the reason they lobbied against the resolution was because of the wording and not because they weren't against Uganda's human rights violations. You want to say that Chick Fil A is horrible for giving money to anti gay causes? You'll be right. You want to say it's a bad thing to eat there regardless of that? You won't hear any argument from me. But making the jump from that to "If you eat at Chick Fil A you're a homophobe who is directly giving money to lynch mobs" is fucking bullshit. It's exactly this type of emotionally driven, guilt by association leap of logic which is why everyone is fucking sick of the Conservative party and all it does is make everyone on the other side think you're an asshole instead of getting them to see it from your point of view. I know I'm going to get dumbs for this post but fuck it. I usually agree with Lankist about things but right now he's thinking with his emotions and his anger and not with his brain. Even if they had actually contributed an actual substantial amount of money to Exodus International, eating there knowing that still wouldn't make someone a "homophobe". And the fact is, they DIDN'T contribute an anywhere NEAR substantial amount of money to Exodus International. This topic is full of the same inflammatory, emotional driven, exaggerated garbage that conservatives are infamous for spreading nowadays and I am deeply ashamed of ALL of you. Especially you, Lankist, considering how much respect I had for you up until now.
[QUOTE=acds;37068428]Those that eat there to support the funding of killings in Africa are retarded. That said, people can eat there and not support it, you aren't a homophobic murderer because you stopped to eat something there (not to mention, you might not know it). [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] That's what I feel too. Because anyone eating at chick-fil-a supports the CEO's funding of African murders. Also I have some huge doubts that you don't use anything that has been made in an unethical way, mostly because it's almost impossible. You could probably have gone snooping around for a computer made in more ethical ways, but you didn't bother because it was more convenient to just buy one and not care (as for fruit, you probably can do that in some countries, but good luck doing the same in others). Also no you would not do what you can to stop it, you'd keep using it anyway. Everyone says this but when it's time to get off that ass and actually do something, the crowd of would-be-activists thins enormously. You'd do it as long as it isn't too much of a bother. So now how healthy stuff is affects this argument? Quite sure that either way when you buy it, the money goes to whoever sold it, no matter how good or bad it is for your health. I'd hardly call it my fast food of choice considering it doesn't exist here and I've never eaten in one. Again, convenience (and possibly it's better than most other fast food? Different people like different food). There are alternatives, like I don't know, not buying that brand new GPU so you can run your games at 32x AA instead of 16x and fund the slavelabour (this isn't referred to you, just people here in general)? What's that? You want to play your game at 1200p? You mean just like some people want that specific dish and/or can't be arsed to take the car instead of just walking to the food?[/QUOTE] your arguments are literally so shite dude... you're trying to say that giving money to people that then give money to hate groups is not supporting that act, when you either know fully well this is what will happen (we're not talking about people who don't know, this thread is about people who are actively supporting chick-fil-a because of their anti-gay position) and support that, or you're an apathetic self serving asshole who knows but doesn't care. and like what has been pointed out, things i need to survive, such as a computer which i have to use to work (and which there is no alternative for) or fruit that is required to live healthily (and as you said, there may not be ethical alternatives) are not comparable to a dime-a-dozen fast food joint. and don't tell me what i would or would not do asshole you don't know me at all. and yeah the healthiness doesn't really affect the argument, i just found that funny. and for your last pointless argument, look at the bottom of my post, i'm still using windows xp, i haven't upgraded my computer in years, not that that is relevant at all. keep clutching at straws bro [editline]4th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=acds;37068632]It doesn't make it ok, it just makes it funny when those people then accusing other people of being gay hating murderers and genocide supporters because they ate at a fastfood joint.[/QUOTE] READ THE FUCKING THREAD, THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE PURPOSELY SUPPORTING CHICK-FIL-A BECAUSE OF THEIR ANTI-GAY AGENDA. IF I BOUGHT COOKIES OFF A SKINHEAD KNOWING FULL WELL HE'D USE THIS MONEY TO BUY A BAT TO BASH MINORITIES OR WOULD GIVE THE MONEY TO HIS MATE TO BUY A BAT TO BASH MINORITIES THEN I EITHER SUPPORT THIS, OR I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. THAT'S IT. YOU'RE A BIGOT OR AN APATHETIC PRICK
if you give chik fil a your money knowing that they donate to these hate groups, doesn't matter if you support it or not, you're still a horrible person if you can't understand that you're Pretty Fucking Stupid
Here's something you might find interesting [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_International#Ugandan_conference[/url] [quote]Close to a year later, Chambers expressed regret for the organization's involvement, and spoke out against the nation's "Kill the Gays" bill.[/quote] [url]http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/03/22/21345[/url] [quote]Exodus International believes that every human life, regardless of an individual’s sexual behavior, is of inestimable worth to God and that defending this principle is foundational in offering a Christian response to any issue. As such, Exodus International has not and will not support any legislation that deprives others of life and dignity including, but not limited to, Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009. We stand with all who are defending this basic, biblical tenet and remain committed to sharing the compassion, hope and life-giving truth and grace of Jesus Christ. “In November of 2009, several of us sent a letter to Ugandan President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni and First Lady Musenevi expressing our concerns regarding The Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009. The legislation would render some homosexual practices crimes punishable by life imprisonment and possible death. We believe that sexual crimes against children, whether committed by someone of the same or opposite sex, are the most serious of offenses and should be punished; we consider same-sex behavior in consensual adult relationships another matter.[/quote] Again, the fact that it took 11 pages for someone to mention this is deeply disappointing.
[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;37068706]You know what? Fuck Facepunch. This topic is basically everything that's wrong with Facepunch in a nutshell. You know the leaps of logic and guilt by association that conservatives use to condemn people all the time and try to make it look like anyone who, for instance, watches comedy central or some shit, is an evil baby eating satan worshiper? This is the same god damned shit. [url]http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001[/url] Do you know how much money Winshape gave to Exodus International? $1000. That's less than 0.01% of their donation money. Aside from them the only one that did anything related to the Uganda issue is Family Research Council (who also got only $1000) and they've already said that the reason they lobbied against the resolution was because of the wording and not because they weren't against Uganda's human rights violations. You want to say that Chick Fil A is horrible for giving money to anti gay causes? You'll be right. You want to say it's a bad thing to eat there regardless of that? You won't hear any argument from me. But making the jump from that to "If you eat at Chick Fil A you're a homophobe who is directly giving money to lynch mobs" is fucking bullshit. It's exactly this type of emotionally driven, guilt by association leap of logic which is why everyone is fucking sick of the Conservative party and all it does is make everyone on the other side think you're an asshole instead of getting them to see it from your point of view. I know I'm going to get dumbs for this post but fuck it. I usually agree with Lankist about things but right now he's thinking with his emotions and his anger and not with his brain. Even if they had actually contributed an actual substantial amount of money to Exodus International, eating there knowing that still wouldn't make someone a "homophobe". And the fact is, they DIDN'T contribute an anywhere NEAR substantial amount of money to Exodus International. This topic is full of the same inflammatory, emotional driven, exaggerated garbage that conservatives are infamous for spreading nowadays and I am deeply ashamed of ALL of you. Especially you, Lankist, considering how much respect I had for you up until now.[/QUOTE] FPers aren't referring to the people eat Chick Fil A sporadically, just the people who participated in the Wednesday event. A majority of people who participated in it did it with the intent of spite.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;37068710]your arguments are literally so shite dude... [/QUOTE] Good thing this line showed me how a proper argument looks like. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37068710] you're trying to say that giving money to people that then give money to hate groups is not supporting that act, when you either know fully well this is what will happen (we're not talking about people who don't know, this thread is about people who are actively supporting chick-fil-a because of their anti-gay position) and support that,[/QUOTE] We agree completely on the fact that those supporting the funding of those African murders are retarded. Not everyone that eats there does though, and not everyone might be bothered enough to go somewhere else (if they do and suddenly need to take the car, then they are horrible planet-killing monsters). [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37068710]or you're an apathetic self serving asshole who knows but doesn't care. and like what has been pointed out, things i need to survive, such as a computer which i have to use to work (and which there is no alternative for) or fruit that is required to live healthily (and as you said, there may not be ethical alternatives) are not comparable to a dime-a-dozen fast food joint.[/QUOTE] If people support gay murdering in Africa because they eat at Chick-Fil-A, then yes I do support child labour and slave condition (I don't but my money does go there). I am honest enough with myself to admit it, and since I know that my money goes to horrible causes every day, I won't go around being righteous and telling people how bad they are because they gave money to something bad, which for some reason I decided was worse than what I fund every time I swipe my credit card. I have my doubts that you live with what is purely essential in your life, your computer was an example (also wasn't only directed at you). [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37068710] and don't tell me what i would or would not do asshole you don't know me at all.[/QUOTE] Yet you call anyone that eats at Chick-Fil-A either a supporter of genocide or a self serving asshole. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37068710] [B]READ THE FUCKING THREAD, THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE PURPOSELY SUPPORTING CHICK-FIL-A BECAUSE OF THEIR ANTI-GAY AGENDA.[/B] IF I BOUGHT COOKIES OFF A SKINHEAD KNOWING FULL WELL HE'D USE THIS MONEY TO BUY A BAT TO BASH MINORITIES OR WOULD GIVE THE MONEY TO HIS MATE TO BUY A BAT TO BASH MINORITIES THEN I EITHER SUPPORT THIS, OR I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT. THAT'S IT. YOU'RE A BIGOT OR AN APATHETIC PRICK[/QUOTE] You called, in this very post and the one above, anyone that eats there either homophobe or apathetic asshole. So yes that's what the thread is about, but you (and several others) are pulling in way more people than those that eat there because they want their money to go to that cause.
[QUOTE=acds;37068632]It doesn't make it ok, it just makes it funny when those people then accusing other people of being gay hating murderers and genocide supporters because they ate at a fastfood joint.[/QUOTE] The difference is that in most cases people don't know and can not know. Of course I can not research every product I ever use for it's producers behaviour towards other humans and their rights, I'd have to dedicate 28 hours every day just to that. [B]But this case is different.[/B] People KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING because some politicians fucking called them to arms(fork and knife in this case) And we are discussing an issue where we KNOW what the money is doing. And then people say "yeah but I don't care it's free opinion" (funding anti-gay rights is as much an opinion as hanging black people) You accusing us of bigotry is absolutely fruitless because you are basically saying that we should either improve everything or nothing at all because focusing on one injust issue while NOT focusing on another(mass produced PCs and clothing for example) would somehow invalidate any argument regarding the issue AT HAND. And that's just a stance that says "ah fuck the world I can't help everyone so I help noone at all I am better off as an asshole" Srsly.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;37068899]FPers aren't referring to the people eat Chick Fil A sporadically, just the people who participated in the Wednesday event. A majority of people who participated in it did it with the intent of spite.[/QUOTE] That doesn't justify saying that eating at Chick Fil A is giving your money to lynch mobs, which I have now proven is not merely an extreme exaggeration but is factually and demonstrably false.
[QUOTE=Key_in_skillee;37068950]That doesn't justify saying that eating at Chick Fil A is giving your money to lynch mobs, which I have now proven is not merely an extreme exaggeration but is factually and demonstrably false.[/QUOTE] Who said that? [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] there is this though [QUOTE]Exodus International is a major promoter of “ex-gay” therapy, the practice of trying to change a person’s sexual orientation from gay to straight. The organization refers to being LGBT as “perverse” and a form of “sexual brokenness.”[/QUOTE] disgusting
[QUOTE=James*;37066707]The 'only' thing So it's not a big deal to you?[/QUOTE] it's not even the "only thing." they donate to many other hate groups such as exodus international: [url]http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001[/url]
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