Chick-Fil-A Has 'Record-Setting Day' thanks to countless social conservatives showing up for "Chick- - Polidicks

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;37059039]You guys act like all the money goes to some gay-killing protest group. I'm completely sure most of it might, oh, I don't know, go toward running the restaurant and paying the employees. All the chick-fil-A's I've been to have had very nice employees.[/QUOTE] yep literally nobody has said chick-fil-a employees aren't "very nice" but chick-fil-a donates tons of money to actual hate groups so if you support their business congrats on directly supporting hate groups in the mean time. "idk who cares if they donate their money to the KKK, their chicken is soooo good!!"

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;37066883]So giving someone money in the full knowledge that they will use it to wrongfully execute people is objectively wrong, yes? ...So why is it different when there's greasy chicken involved?[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;Ts-3SnJ2ACQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts-3SnJ2ACQ[/video]

[QUOTE=acds;37067746]Well it's great to see that you people all sit on non-child made chairs and use non-slavelabour made computers while eating fruits that definitely did not come from a third world country where people don't have the basic rights and the money they make goes to dictators who use it to fund various atrocities.[/QUOTE] Actually pretty much everyone on here built their own computers meaning their components were manufactured either in the US or in Taiwan.

[QUOTE=Dori;37070335]it's not even the "only thing." they donate to many other hate groups such as exodus international: [url]http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001[/url][/QUOTE] i wouldn't say exodus is a hate group as much as it is a quack therapy organization

Let me try another method to sway these chick-fil-a chicken lovers. Imagine you were giving money to this man: [img]http://i.imgur.com/JgMAx.jpg[/img] [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] Replace the meth trade with brainwashing camps

[QUOTE=acds;37068901]Good thing this line showed me how a proper argument looks like. We agree completely on the fact that those supporting the funding of those African murders are retarded. Not everyone that eats there does though, and not everyone might be bothered enough to go somewhere else (if they do and suddenly need to take the car, then they are horrible planet-killing monsters). If people support gay murdering in Africa because they eat at Chick-Fil-A, then yes I do support child labour and slave condition (I don't but my money does go there). I am honest enough with myself to admit it, and since I know that my money goes to horrible causes every day, I won't go around being righteous and telling people how bad they are because they gave money to something bad, which for some reason I decided was worse than what I fund every time I swipe my credit card. I have my doubts that you live with what is purely essential in your life, your computer was an example (also wasn't only directed at you). Yet you call anyone that eats at Chick-Fil-A either a supporter of genocide or a self serving asshole. [editline]3rd August 2012[/editline] You called, in this very post and the one above, anyone that eats there either homophobe or apathetic asshole. So yes that's what the thread is about, but you (and several others) are pulling in way more people than those that eat there because they want their money to go to that cause.[/QUOTE] so basically your argument is just boiling down to 'bad things happen anyway and i can't do nothing about those so i'm not gonna do nothing about nothing!' aka you're an apathetic asshole. and seriously read what i'm saying, yes i understand that not everyone who eats there supports those causes, everyone that's eating there to purely support chick-fil-a's stance may as well though, and anyone that doesn't support it but eats there anyway is apathetic!! and then there are people that simply don't know but like i said they're completely irrelevant

publicity stunt a success

I haven't read this whole thread, but judging from this page it doesn't seem like the conversation has changed that much from the first few pages, so I'm going to post my opinion. I'd like it if the people who claim that buying at Chic-Fil-A makes you a homophobe would read it, at least. At what point are you morally responsible for the actions of others? When does apathy incur moral responsibility? It's being claimed that if you support Chic-Fil-A by buying their food, regardless if your intent is due to supporting their worldview or just out of apathy, you are homophobic and are supporting the murder of gays in Uganda and funding anti-homosexual groups. There is a chain of events here. You buy the food. The workers at the restaurant do their job and take your money. The money is funneled into the corporation's assets. Chic-Fil-A's founder decides to send that money to anti-homosexual groups. These groups do their act, whether it is campaigning to not allow equal rights for homosexuals or actually causing harm to gays. It's obvious that at the end of the chain those using that money to further hate are morally responsible for harming their fellow man. It also seems obvious that Chic-Fil-A's founder is morally responsible for helping them, as he is directly assisting them through intent. But farther up the chain, is there still responsibility? Are the workers morally responsible for the responding harm, even if they only intend to make a wage? Are you responsible, even though you are only buying food? Let's assume that you are responsible, regardless of intent. Let's compare this to a more global scale. You pay your taxes, and you live in America. These taxes fund many things, such as emergency sevices, hospitals, policemen, firefighters, and military. The military that you are funding is the same military that has condoned the torture of inmates and the denial of trials in civil courts. It's also the same military that has soldiers that have murdered civilians. Are you responsible for their deaths because you paid your taxes? Are you responsible for torture? There is a slight difference that mars this comparison, as taxes are something you are forced to pay, while funding Chic-Fil-A is optional. Does that matter? If a soldier is following orders and he is told to murder civilians (and if he does not comply, he will go to jail) is he responsible for that murder? He was the murderer, so he is responsible. But, he was forced to do so. Does that change his responsibility? He, like you, is forced to do something with the punishment of jail time if he does not comply. [b]The point here is that if you believe that someone is responsible for a chain of events then you also believe that almost everyone is responsible for some atrocity. Whether through taxes or buying products that indirectly support sweat shops, global deforestation, global warming, hateful lobbying, or even murder. There's no way to live a life without supporting something like that.[/b] (That's why I've always thought that living vegan is a lost cause, because there's animal in almost every product from shampoo to smarties.) [b]So, if somebody wants to eat at Chic-Fil-A just for the food, is their responsibility for the funding of anti-gay groups even remotely enough to label them a homophobe, or at least any more so then somebody who buys any other product and is thus responsible for atrocities they don't even know about? (Both cases there is no intent)[/b] I'd like to think that intent plays a bigger role in moral responsibility than most posters here believe. I don't think that an apathetic buyer of Chic-Fil-A food is responsible for harming homosexuals. I do think that those who specifically went to Chic-Fil-A to support this anti-homosexual agenda are morally culpable. I think that the workers are not responsible, unless they also share this intent. And I think calling people homophobes because they just wanted some chicken is pretending to have some moral high ground when you have none because his offense is so minor compared to other things you both share moral culpability for.

hi not gonna read that mountain of text but theres a difference between going out and shopping somewhere that proudly donates to literal hate groups and some obscure "butterfly effect" theory in which nobody can do anything just in case they end up supporting someone who did something bad

Fucking hell why is it that any time people get pissed off a fast food chain there's always a couple of idiots that think it's a good idea to say "BUT I CAN'T HELP IT I LOVE THEIR FOOD IT'S TOO GOOD TO LIVE WITHOUT!" None of us want to know about your poor self control, dammit.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;37076562]hi not gonna read that mountain of text but theres a difference between going out and shopping somewhere that proudly donates to literal hate groups and some obscure "butterfly effect" theory in which nobody can do anything just in case they end up supporting someone who did something bad[/QUOTE] My point is that buying food at Chic-Fil-A does not make you a homophobe unless you specifically go there to further such a mindset (i.e. you're those assholes who went to Chic-Fil-A to buy "non faggot sandwiches"). It's like saying if you have an iPhone you support horrible working conditions or if you pay your taxes you support murder, or if you buy stuff at Wal-Mart you support paying off government officials or if you use a diesel car you support global warming. It's a huge stretch. If somebody wants to buy a chicken sandwich then they shouldn't worry about what it's funding, cause then you'd have to worry about what every company you support is funding. It's the company that's homophobic, not you, and claiming someone hates gays cause they like chicken is a cognitive error. Intent matters.

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;37076587]My point is that buying food at Chic-Fil-A does not make you a homophobe unless you specifically go there to further such a mindset (i.e. you're those assholes who went to Chic-Fil-A to buy "non faggot sandwiches"). It's like saying if you have an iPhone you support horrible working conditions or if you pay your taxes you support murder, or if you buy stuff at Wal-Mart you support paying off government officials or if you use a diesel car you support global warming. It's a huge stretch. If somebody wants to buy a chicken sandwich then they shouldn't worry about what it's funding, cause then you'd have to worry about what every company you support is funding. It's the company that's homophobic, not you, and claiming someone hates gays cause they like chicken is a cognitive error. Intent matters.[/QUOTE]Nobody said everyone who eats there is a homophobe, except old straw-man Johnson and then nobody listens to what he says because he doesn't exist. It still doesn't justify knowingly supporting a business that is trying to make it look okay to be against gay rights. Why don't you watch that video I just posted because it explains exactly the point these people you're arguing with are trying to make.

We can all agree on one thing: Chick-Fil-A got an enormous amount of publicity (negative to some, and positive to some others) from this. Also according to what Key posted, they didn't support lynching and murdering. They supported those "pray the gay away" therapies, which isn't very nice (and extremely retarded, not only from a moral point of view but also because repressing those urges won't make them go away), but it's pretty far from lynching and mass murder. Though why the fuck a company would get mixed up in that shit is beyond me, I guess they got lucky this time now that a certain amount of the population will be eating there regularly, but they could have lost (and probably did lose, though then replaced) a large part of their customerbase.

just tell everyone who went there that their money went to black people and they'll join our side in an instant

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;37076587]My point is that buying food at Chic-Fil-A does not make you a homophobe unless you specifically go there to further such a mindset (i.e. you're those assholes who went to Chic-Fil-A to buy "non faggot sandwiches"). It's like saying if you have an iPhone you support horrible working conditions or if you pay your taxes you support murder, or if you buy stuff at Wal-Mart you support paying off government officials or if you use a diesel car you support global warming. It's a huge stretch. If somebody wants to buy a chicken sandwich then they shouldn't worry about what it's funding, cause then you'd have to worry about what every company you support is funding. It's the company that's homophobic, not you, and claiming someone hates gays cause they like chicken is a cognitive error. Intent matters.[/QUOTE] Not being homophobic don't excuse you from being a pathetic loser with the impulse control of a child. When you support something bad out of ignorance, indifference, or submission you do it because the other options don't make sense to you. When you support a something out of a lack of self control you're deciding that any reason for not supporting something is not important enough to give up something you want. Which in this case is fast food.

[QUOTE=Ybbats;37076608]Nobody said everyone who eats there is a homophobe, except old straw-man Johnson and then nobody listens to what he says because he doesn't exist. It still doesn't justify knowingly supporting a business that is trying to make it look okay to be against gay rights. Why don't you watch that video I just posted because it explains exactly the point these people you're arguing with are trying to make.[/QUOTE] Right on the first page Dori was saying exactly that, I'd quote it but Facepunch is incredibly slow right now for me for some reason. I'm watching the video now and I understand his point, but I still think that spending food at that place doesn't make you morally culpable for their hate, even if you know their agenda. It's a service, and most of the money is going to the small business owners that own that particular restaurant and the employees it hires, and very little goes to the founder's funding of hate groups. It's like not watching Polanski films because of what he did or buying Apple products because of Foxconn. You know of these things, but your interaction with the service is simply buying something, you are not intending to harm people and therefore morally you are not responsible for their ill-doing. The money you spend isn't going directly to Chic-Fil-A's founder, Polanski or Foxconn, it's being spread among deserving parties who helped provide the services and it harms them when you do not buy their product because you don't agree with their worldview. I mean, if you bought Chic-Fil-A with the intent of supporting anti-gay stuff then yeah you're a bad person, but average Joe who just wants some food isn't responsible for the murders of gays in Uganda and by not buying the food he's just harming the small business owners.

ITT: We go to taco bell. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Meme Reply" - Megafan))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=SleepyAl;37076587]My point is that buying food at Chic-Fil-A does not make you a homophobe unless you specifically go there to further such a mindset (i.e. you're those assholes who went to Chic-Fil-A to buy "non faggot sandwiches"). It's like saying if you have an iPhone you support horrible working conditions or if you pay your taxes you support murder, or if you buy stuff at Wal-Mart you support paying off government officials or if you use a diesel car you support global warming. It's a huge stretch. If somebody wants to buy a chicken sandwich then they shouldn't worry about what it's funding, cause then you'd have to worry about what every company you support is funding. It's the company that's homophobic, not you, and claiming someone hates gays cause they like chicken is a cognitive error. Intent matters.[/QUOTE] your comparisons don't make any sense. chick-fil-a is actively trying to further the anti-gay agenda. if apple was actively putting money towards causing shitty working conditions or if the auto industry was actively putting money towards global warming then those comparisons would make sense. and your argument about taxes is just 100% stupid. you HAVE to pay taxes, you don't HAVE to eat chick-fil-a. seriously, you and abcds are comparing either necessities or things with no clear alternatives to buying from a certain fast food joint. so again, either they're homophobes who are eating at chick-fil-a because they support their agenda, or you are ignorant of their agenda and are therefore irrelevant or you know about their agenda, but you don't care which makes you apathetic

[QUOTE=Aredbomb;37076637]Not being homophobic don't excuse you from being a pathetic loser with the impulse control of a child. When you support something bad out of ignorance, indifference, or submission you do it because the other options don't make sense to you. When you support a something out of a lack of self control you're deciding that any reason for not supporting something is not important enough to give up something you want. Which in this case is fast food.[/QUOTE] You can support Gay Rights and eat at Chic-Fil-A. Just like you can support labor rights and own an iPhone or be against pedophilia and watch a Polanski film. You're using a service, you are not spewing hate. There is no moral imperative not to eat at Chic-Fil-A because the founder is a fuck-up. The small business owners of that particular restaurant might not be anti-gay, so why avoid their restaurant because someone up the chain is a bigot? Eating there isn't morally wrong. And I'm pretty sure that choosing to eat at a restaurant is not an impulse decision. Honestly I've never been to a Chic-Fil-A nor intend to but I don't think people should avoid going there. [editline]4th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;37076711]your comparisons don't make any sense. chick-fil-a is actively trying to further the anti-gay agenda. if apple was actively putting money towards causing shitty working conditions or if the auto industry was actively putting money towards global warming then those comparisons would make sense. and your argument about taxes is just 100% stupid. you HAVE to pay taxes, you don't HAVE to eat chick-fil-a. seriously, you and abcds are comparing either necessities or things with no clear alternatives to buying from a certain fast food joint. so again, either they're homophobes who are eating at chick-fil-a because they support their agenda, or you are ignorant of their agenda and are therefore irrelevant or you know about their agenda, but you don't care which makes you apathetic[/QUOTE] I'm having a hard time getting around to my point I guess, since it's like 5am here, but I'm just trying to express my belief that eating at Chic-Fil-A != Supporting homophobia. You're buying from a small business owner, who probably doesn't have the same views as the founder. You're buying a chicken sandwich, and it's not your fault some asshole gets a sliver of the profits from the transaction and uses it for malice. Avoiding Chic-Fil-A for the founder's misdeeds just harms those who work for Chic-Fil-A more than the founder himself. If you want to protest his views protest the people he's funding or, better yet, him, not the people down the chain.

I eat at Chick-Fil-A casually (And still do), but events like this are fucking stupid and moronic. Why go out and spend a massive amount of money showing support for a major corporation all because people are disgusted in what they donate to? I swear, some people put effort in the wrong places.. Why not spend all that money and show support for Rwanda victims during the genocide? How about at least showing support for your fellow man, and buy some less fortunate kid a present this year for Christmas?

If you buy a Volkswagen you must be in support of Hitler, right? But on a serious note; what about buying apple products when they have factories in China that drive workers to suicide? Point in there's more products or services you might think that have dirty money-ties. Don't drive a VW

[img]http://i.imgur.com/2S8l9.jpg[/img] I'm not sure what to think of this

[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;37078829][img]http://i.imgur.com/2S8l9.jpg[/img] I'm not sure what to think of this[/QUOTE] That seems accurate on the mindset of some of the posters here. It's a big stretch and absurd to accuse people of supporting murders in Uguanda(Lankist, still waiting for a source on these facts please.) and accusing people for buying the food makes them a homophobe. Apathy? Like the past posters mentioned, me buying the food with very little profit going to these so called 'Hate-groups' far outweighs the benefits on the local economy. Chick-Fil-A employs some 50,000 workers across the country at 1,500 outlets in nearly 40 states. The company generates $2 billion in annual revenue and serves millions of happy customers looking for affordable family food in a family-friendly setting. Shutting down them would create yet even more of a slump in the job market and many dissapointed people. And even then, the sources are a little shady and blurred. So when you make the accusation that buying from them is funding hate and suffering, the same can be said for many of our other products made in foreign countries. Call me apathetic, but if theirs one thing I learned in War, is that you [i][b]you can't save everyone.[/i][/b] Even if you wanted to stop Chick-Fil-A from funding these so called 'Murder groups,' you shutting Chick-Fil-A wouldn't make a difference. Everyday, people out there get murdered and killed over stupid senseless shit. Yes I believe it is horrible, but you can't save everyone. We are not Superman. The murderers would find some other way to obtain funding to keep on doing the bad shit. It's just the fucked up world we live in. You can spend your entire life trying to prevent these genocides and murders, but regardless, they are still going to happen.

[QUOTE=Reserved Parkin;37080262] Call me apathetic, but if theirs one thing I learned in War, is that you [i][b]you can't save everyone.[/i][/b] Even if you wanted to stop Chick-Fil-A from funding these so called 'Murder groups,' you shutting Chick-Fil-A wouldn't make a difference. Everyday, people out there get murdered and killed over stupid senseless shit. Yes I believe it is horrible, but you can't save everyone. We are not Superman. The murderers would find some other way to obtain funding to keep on doing the bad shit. It's just the fucked up world we live in. You can spend your entire life trying to prevent these genocides and murders, but regardless, they are still going to happen.[/QUOTE] we can sure as hell try

Well aren't you overly fatalistic

[QUOTE=Reserved Parkin;37080262]Call me apathetic, but if theirs one thing I learned in War, is that you [i][b]you can't save everyone.[/i][/b] Even if you wanted to stop Chick-Fil-A from funding these so called 'Murder groups,' you shutting Chick-Fil-A wouldn't make a difference. Everyday, people out there get murdered and killed over stupid senseless shit. Yes I believe it is horrible, but you can't save everyone. We are not Superman. The murderers would find some other way to obtain funding to keep on doing the bad shit. It's just the fucked up world we live in. You can spend your entire life trying to prevent these genocides and murders, but regardless, they are still going to happen.[/QUOTE] your viewpoint isn't overly helpful. in fact, it's fatalistic, pessimistic, cynical, and nihilistic - these are not qualities which breed the few good things that actually do happen in this world. if we just say "well there's no point in trying to do anything helpful because it's pointless in the long run", you're going to accentuate the negative far too much to appreciate the positive. with that you'll have difficulty seeing it, and you might not believe me when I say that it's there, and it always will be, just as there's always the bad. the world is far too mixed of a bag for your rigid train of thought to always be applicable. if you look at it from your point of view too long, you'll eventually become blind to that fact.

We should just go out and buy a bunch of Oreos now, at least they support gay rights. And Oreos are delcicious!

The CEO gets paid no matter what. If you boycott a franchise, you know who's gonna feel the pain? The employees behind the counter, the average joes. If there was a boycott, Chick fil a would fire the people who need the job the most, the CEO would get his paycheck no matter what.

[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37082443]The CEO gets paid no matter what. If you boycott a franchise, you know who's gonna feel the pain? The employees behind the counter, the average joes. If there was a boycott, Chick fil a would fire the people who need the job the most, the CEO would get his paycheck no matter what.[/QUOTE] Sad but people will still protest

[QUOTE=Cone;37080540]your viewpoint isn't overly helpful. in fact, it's fatalistic, pessimistic, cynical, and nihilistic - these are not qualities which breed the few good things that actually do happen in this world. if we just say "well there's no point in trying to do anything helpful because it's pointless in the long run", you're going to accentuate the negative far too much to appreciate the positive. with that you'll have difficulty seeing it, and you might not believe me when I say that it's there, and it always will be, just as there's always the bad. the world is far too mixed of a bag for your rigid train of thought to always be applicable. if you look at it from your point of view too long, you'll eventually become blind to that fact.[/QUOTE] The problem is everyone's going after a fast food restaurant when they should be going after the groups, lobbyists, and politicians that are stopping anti-discrimination laws. If CFA completely shut down tomorrow it would be a drop in the bucket to the amount of money some people push into the anti-gay lobby. If you want laws that abolish the bans on gay marriage than go out and vote. If this many people gave a shit about their local elections this wouldn't be an issue in the first place. It's obviously counter-productive to boycott things like this because the opposite side just comes out in the full force to show their support. And it's a lot easier to show your support for something by going and buying their product en masse than it is to boycott spottily.