• Eleven-Year-Old Boy Shot By Younger Brother, Dies
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[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36184227]While his post is incredibly flawed, wall painting and golf generally don't kill people, even in the wrong hands.[/QUOTE] Watching paint dry can dehydrate you and cause death.
[QUOTE=SKEEA;36176638]They should not have taken the firearm in the first place. Take it to the authorities or parents? That handgun is that man's property, and taking it in the first place is theft. I believe that parents really need to educate their children on firearm safety so we can avoid tragic accidents like this. Hell, one guy in my basic died because someone was fucking with their M16 and shot another guy in the leg and he bled out. Firearms safety is a very necessary bit of knowledge to have, especially in the US.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=beanhead;36176713]It should have been to leave it where he found it[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry. I did read that they took it from the neighbor, but my mind was thinking they found it in the woods. Fixed my post.
[QUOTE=Pbox;36184284]that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that they're used (often) for sport and fun, i wasn't denying that guns do, in fact, have the capacity to kill people (or rather the wielders of said guns but that's an entirely separate conversation), and i don't think anyone here is denying that[/QUOTE] Guns were invented with the sole purpose of making a hole in something to kill it in war. Golf obviously wasn't invented to kill people, it's just a game. America seriously needs to move on, there's no wild west Texan duels and civil wars any more - nobody needs a gun. The only reason it's still popular is because people there think it gives them some manliness when they hold a gun. The fact is, if guns were illegal for citizens there this boy wouldn't have died and you'd have less gun crime like Europe. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;36184131] [IMG]http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/dailyrecord3/mar2009/3/3/crying-baby-324679306.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] "You have different opinions to me so you should be banned!"
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;36184525] "You have different opinions to me so you should be banned!"[/QUOTE] No, it's that you wrongly stated that the United States is locked "in the 18th century" and finished it off with "When will that backwards country learn".
[QUOTE=evilweazel;36184313]judging them on that old idea is a bit silly[/QUOTE] Okay but judging them on the basis of numerous unnecessary deaths isn't silly
the fact is two boys found a gun and instead of telling someone they decided to go play with it. the exact thing your NOT supposed to do. I dont know about elsewhere but here they teach gun safety to kids at every oppertunity
[QUOTE=ac/14;36185487]the fact is two boys found a gun and instead of telling someone they decided to go play with it. the exact thing your NOT supposed to do. I dont know about elsewhere but here they teach gun safety to kids at every oppertunity[/QUOTE]They didn't FIND it, they stole it.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36185617]They didn't FIND it, they stole it.[/QUOTE] well yes. judging by those facts they stole a firearm from someones property took it to the woods without informing anyone proceeded to play with it and point it at each other lack of education.
[QUOTE=Pbox;36184284]that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that they're used (often) for sport and fun, i wasn't denying that guns do, in fact, have the capacity to kill people (or rather the wielders of said guns but that's an entirely separate conversation), and i don't think anyone here is denying that[/QUOTE] That was the reason why I added "even in the wrong hands" right after I posted it. In this case we see that that does apply, but here it wasn't the intention to kill that killed the person, it was an accident. So this is in the gray area - this wouldn't have happened if the kids had known how to handle the weapon, but it wouldn't have happened if the gun wasn't there in the first place. A man with the intention to kill would just have found something else to do it with. So all in all; people kill people, but accidents depending on certain weapons kill too.
They couldn't use the gun if they didn't have arms.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;36184013]Oh look another death that wouldn't have happened if America would stop living in the 18th century owning guns. They aren't fun, not for a hobby, sport or anything. They're for police and military and that's all. When will that backwards country learn..[/QUOTE] hahaha oh god what an awful post
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36186023]They couldn't use the gun if they didn't have arms.[/QUOTE] But we're not talking about taking away those are we? I thought that we left the ridiculous arguments on the first page.
[QUOTE=James*;36181217]Maybe everyone shouldn't have guns[/QUOTE] Maybe everyone shouldn't have cars or cleaning products or medications or power tools or flammable substances or electrical outlets. I get what you're trying to say, and the whole situation is terribly sad, but our environment is full of horribly dangerous things and accidents happen. It could have just as easily been anything else. If anything, I'd say that a little bit of education and/or a padlock would've been the solution here.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36186080]But we're not talking about taking away those are we? I thought that we left the ridiculous arguments on the first page.[/QUOTE] Guns are great, there is no need to take them away. Instead of taking/banning something, how about educating instead?
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;36186107]Guns are great, there is no need to take them away. Instead of taking/banning something, how about educating instead?[/QUOTE] Did I say that wasn't an option? I just talked about the nuances in the argument "Guns don't kill people, people do". I agree on that guns are great - they're pretty cool, and I love shooting air pellet guns (real guns aren't allowed in Denmark), build slingshots, use bows, crossbows and canons are cool as fuck. I don't agree on that there's no reason to take them away, though.
[QUOTE=- Livewire -;36181928]This is exactly why I like living in the UK, a person having that much weaponry in their house is fucking ridiculous, what happens if their mental health deteriorates? what's stopping them from picking up a gun and going on a spree? The UK stops this problem before it even begins. Not to say that the UK doesn't have it's own fair share of problems.[/QUOTE] So you need the government to tell you not to own a gun because you're afraid you're going to go crazy?
[QUOTE=ROBO_DONUT;36186081]Maybe everyone shouldn't have cars or cleaning products or medications or power tools or flammable substances or electrical outlets. I get what you're trying to say, and the whole situation is terribly sad, but our environment is full of horribly dangerous things and accidents happen. It could have just as easily been anything else. If anything, I'd say that a little bit of education and/or a padlock would've been the solution here.[/QUOTE] Guns are distinct in that they are designed to be dangerous
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;36186428]So you need the government to tell you not to own a gun because you're afraid you're going to go crazy?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty certain that he used "a person", "their" and "them" and not "me", "my" and "me". Stop skewing posts that way, makes you look like a tool. And have you noticed that there is actually a share of the demography that have mental problems? I'm not saying that the group he's pointing out is a big one, or especially important in the big picture, but it's probably there. Look at Breivik - he lives in a place where owning a gun is fairly hard, but he owned it anyway. That turned out to be a problem. Of course we're looking at an extreme case, but they are there.
lol all this stupid arguing im pretty sure the 'guns are bad' case has been presented so many times in the US that clearly it doesn't work here anymore.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36182825] I mean: what of they tried to get rid of every weapon in town and started from scratch? Illinois is of course not an isolated city, and it would probably be pretty hard to circumvent so much in such a short time, but it's food for thought, I guess.[/QUOTE] This is absolutely impossible in America and any attempt will only end in tears and empowered criminals. [editline]3rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AngryChairR;36184013]Oh look another death that wouldn't have happened if America would stop living in the 18th century owning guns. They aren't fun, not for a hobby, sport or anything. They're for police and military and that's all. When will that backwards country learn..[/QUOTE] Ok AngryChairR. Since you seem to be confident enough to call a country backwards that implies that you know what you are talking about. Tell me this then, what would be your plan to deal with guns in America? How would you go at getting every single gun out of the hands of civilians (and criminals)? Especially when this country is attached to another country that would make illegally acquiring a gun a simple matter.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36186509]And have you noticed that there is actually a share of the demography that have mental problems? I'm not saying that the group he's pointing out is a big one, or especially important in the big picture, but it's probably there. Look at Breivik - he lives in a place where owning a gun is fairly hard, but he owned it anyway. That turned out to be a problem. Of course we're looking at an extreme case, but they are there.[/QUOTE] The actions of an extremely small minority should not hamper the rights of the majority. Also, to use Breivik as an example, removing the ability to own a firearm does not stop the incentive to kill. If Breivik was not able to obtain a gun, he would have used other means to obtain his desired outcome.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;36187385]The actions of an extremely small minority should not hamper the rights of the majority. Also, to use Breivik as an example, removing the ability to own a firearm does not stop the incentive to kill. If Breivik was not able to obtain a gun, he would have used other means to obtain his desired outcome.[/QUOTE] I'm very much aware of that breivik would just have gone about it in a different way, (he used a bomb as well) and if you read my other posts, you'd see that I point out the same thing. Still, there are sick people out there, and I just pointed out that you disregarded them. And "rights" don't really mean the same to me - I don't feel like there's a right to bear fire arms. This is of course a cultural difference, and I understand that you find it a fundamental right (or something like that). [editline]3rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Boxbot219;36186720]This is absolutely impossible in America and any attempt will only end in tears and empowered criminals. [/QUOTE] I pointed out earlier on that this was purely a thought-experiment, and not something that I think could be done in America. I added "food for thought" for that precise reason.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;36187626]And "rights" don't really mean the same to me - I don't feel like there's a right to bear fire arms. This is of course a cultural difference, and I understand that you find it a fundamental right (or something like that).[/QUOTE] Of course. Our cultures are extremely different in terms of civil rights. As an American, I believe that right to own firearms is extremely important as a basic human right. When certain groups, like the United Nations or China, suggest banning firearms in the United States, I feel extremely offended. For me, and many like-minded Americans, banning firearms would almost be on the same level as banning free-speech or the right to protest.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;36188097]Of course. Our cultures are extremely different in terms of civil rights. As an American, I believe that right to own firearms is extremely important as a basic human right. When certain groups, like the United Nations or China, suggest banning firearms in the United States, I feel extremely offended. For me, and many like-minded Americans, banning firearms would almost be on the same level as banning free-speech or the right to protest.[/QUOTE] I have a feeling that you're going to disagree with me, but I feel that people should attend a short, mandatory course to make sure they know how to own and use a firearm responsibly (with exceptions for people who have served in law enforcement or the military, as they've would have received similar training) before they can own one (but of course, that isn't constitutional). I'm only taking about something a few hours long, if that, but I can't see it being harmful.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;36188516]I have a feeling that you're going to disagree with me, but I feel that people should attend a short, mandatory course to make sure they know how to own and use a firearm responsibly (with exceptions for people who have served in law enforcement or the military, as they've would have received similar training) before they can own one (but of course, that isn't constitutional). I'm only taking about something a few hours long, if that, but I can't see it being harmful.[/QUOTE] in most states you DO have to. but that does not prevent accedents involving children who do not know. really this kind of basic safety stuff should be taught in school (i mean they teach you to say no if a strange person approaches you. like that would help)
darwin award much?
[QUOTE=PowerBall v1;36189967]darwin award much?[/QUOTE] Go fuck yourself.
[QUOTE=ROBO_DONUT;36190512]Go fuck yourself.[/QUOTE] As much as I agree with you, that wasn't called for.
Hardly anyone from outside North America can understand the situation with guns here. Banning them all is a retarded idea for a couple hundred reasons, including the fact that its literally impossible to remove every civilian owned gun in the United States unless Police Officers bust down every door in the nation, or find every hidey hole, or break into every safe. You can't just "remove the guns" from a country where firearms are normal and are found in every other house. "Removing the guns" is a pipe-dream, and it's never going to happen. Just like the idea of a Utopia. And it's never going to stop any criminals. All its going to do is remove a form of self defense from the general public, while giving criminals more leverage over people. It's a shame that this little boy died, and its a shame that more people are going to die due to accidents, but it's not the gun's fault that a boy stole it and played with it in the woods, its the parent's fault for not educating them and possibly the owner's for not securing it good enough.
[QUOTE=AngryChairR;36184013]Oh look another death that wouldn't have happened if America would stop living in the 18th century owning guns. They aren't fun, not for a hobby, sport or anything. They're for police and military and that's all. When will that backwards country learn..[/QUOTE] Oh look another shitpost from angrychair :rolleyes:
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