Polls Indicate That 60% of Americans Want Govt. to Fight Income Disparity - Polidicks

God damn socialist wealth-spreaders! Stop punishing success, work harder if you want to be rich. :downs: How can 31% of people say wealth distribution is the same as it's been in the past? This isn't an opinion question, it's a verifiable fact question.

[QUOTE=Swilly;33231718]BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA In most inner city schools, you're just ask likely to get stabbed or shot for trying to keep the class in order.[/QUOTE] Wow, people on this forum sure do love to exaggerate. Because every inner-city kid is a walking murderer and they love to attack their teachers. BTW, at a solid 48 coal mining deaths last year, out of THOUSANDS of miners, I'm sure death is on their mind. This isn't like the mines on TV where everything is unsafe, there are stringent safety procedures that they must follow. They know what they are doing and it isn't as stressful as you may think.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33230755]Punishing people for working harder will not help the economy.[/QUOTE] Facepunch Epic Fail of the Year 2011.

[QUOTE=Miskav;33230832]AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You can't honestly believe that a CEO of a company, who shows up to work about 5 days every month and his work being looking at documents, is working harder than a coal miner who makes 60 hour Work-weeks doing intense physical labour, not to mention all the healthrisks.[/QUOTE] Who cares about the extremes, they will exists in any form of governmental/economic place. I do IT, and I would rather not have to pay more taxes for making over 80K/yr I worked my ass off to get to where I am and I would rather keep all the benefits from my hard work.

I think we should start national improvement projects like we did to help pull out of the great depression; instead of putting people on unemployment let them have a job working to improve our nations infrastructure. I know a ton of people who would rather have the opportunity to work for the the government; a lot of people are too proud to accept unemployment (My father was one of them when he got laid off for around a year). This in the long run will bring more money into the us, especially if we work to build more alternative energy projects which will decrease our dependency on foreign oil while bringing in money for power purchased from the government. It worked with hydroelectric dams in the past, it should work for wind farms, trash powered methane plants, etc. Also the obvious adjust tax percentages to match income of the individual.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;33233114]Who cares about the extremes, they will exists in any form of governmental/economic place. I do IT, and I would rather not have to pay more taxes for making over 80K/yr I worked my ass off to get to where I am and I would rather keep all the benefits from my hard work.[/QUOTE] Who cares if there are a few ultra-rich people that control a lot of the wealth? I fucking do, that's a problem. You think that these people are all out to tax only the upper-middle class and take all your money, and that's just preposterous. It's equally ridiculous to say that "I deserve all of the money I make", basically saying "I deserve 0% taxes because I don't want to contribute to public services".

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233195]Who cares if there are a few ultra-rich people that control a lot of the wealth? I fucking do, that's a problem. You think that these people are all out to tax only the upper-middle class and take all your money, and that's just preposterous. It's equally ridiculous to say that "I deserve all of the money I make", basically saying "I deserve 0% taxes because I don't want to contribute to public services".[/QUOTE] You're joking right? We pay our taxes. People in the middle-upper class probably pay more in taxes then anyone else. And still, people just want to tax the middle-upper class more 'just because their income isn't equal to a coal miner'.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233269]You're joking right? We pay our taxes. People in the middle-upper class probably pay more in taxes then anyone else. And still, people just want to tax the middle-upper class more 'just because their income isn't equal to a coal miner'.[/QUOTE] They want to tax the upper class because they pay the same % as us, when in reality they should be paying more. And as it is, they are using dozens and dozens of loop holes to get past paying taxes, and most high-profit corporations are doing the same.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233195]Who cares if there are a few ultra-rich people that control a lot of the wealth? I fucking do, that's a problem. You think that these people are all out to tax only the upper-middle class and take all your money, and that's just preposterous. It's equally ridiculous to say that "I deserve all of the money I make", basically saying "I deserve 0% taxes because I don't want to contribute to public services".[/QUOTE] Sadly, you will have that in all societies, regardless what taxes, regulations you impose someone will always be richer than another. I am not saying I shouldn't have to pay taxes you are just making assumptions on what I believe now... I am saying I shouldn't get taxed because I do more at my job, hell next year I am either going to work in Korea or a Mediterranean Country for +120k/per contract. I am giving up a year or more overseas ins possibly unstable environments doing Systems Engineering. I don't think I should be taxed more for that. You are also aware that nearly 43% of Americans don't pay income/property tax right? And that doesn't all fall on the upper class

[QUOTE=umx48;33233286]They want to tax the upper class because they pay the same % as us, when in reality they should be paying more. And as it is, they are using dozens and dozens of loop holes to get past paying taxes, and most high-profit corporations are doing the same.[/QUOTE] Should they close the loopholes, tax things like shares? Yes. Raise the percentage? That's really debateable. I think they have a right to earn that money, however they got there. It didn't just magically appear for them.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233317]Should they close the loopholes, tax things like shares? Yes. Raise the percentage? That's really debateable. I think they have a right to earn that money, however they got there. It didn't just magically appear for them.[/QUOTE] No, it didn't magically appear, they just stepped on a lot of people to reach the lofty position they're at now.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233317]Should they close the loopholes, tax things like shares? Yes. Raise the percentage? That's really debateable. I think they have a right to earn that money, however they got there. It didn't just magically appear for them.[/QUOTE] Of course they have the right to earn money, I'm not suggesting we take away all their money until they're at the average income of every other American, but they should be paying a higher % of taxes then what the average person is, Remove the bush tax cuts and close all the loop holes.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;33233293]Sadly, you will have that in all societies, regardless what taxes, regulations you impose someone will always be richer than another. I am not saying I shouldn't have to pay taxes you are just making assumptions on what I believe now... I am saying I shouldn't get taxed because I do more at my job, hell next year I am either going to work in Korea or a Mediterranean Country for +120k/per contract. I am giving up a year or more overseas ins possibly unstable environments doing Systems Engineering. I don't think I should be taxed more for that. You are also aware that nearly 43% of Americans don't pay income/property tax right? And that doesn't all fall on the upper class[/QUOTE] That 43% doesn't pay income tax because they literally do not have enough income to tax, or are dependents in their household. [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233269]You're joking right? We pay our taxes. People in the middle-upper class probably pay more in taxes then anyone else. And still, people just want to tax the middle-upper class more 'just because their income isn't equal to a coal miner'.[/QUOTE] No, I would prefer that we return to the rates of the 30s, when we were in a similar position trying to come out of an economic depression or recession.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233317]Should they close the loopholes, tax things like shares? Yes. Raise the percentage? That's really debateable. I think they have a right to earn that money, however they got there. It didn't just magically appear for them.[/QUOTE] no it isn't magic, it's greed and a lack of empathy for your fellow man, combined with an aggressive and often semi-legal business plan which results in the suffering of many people further down the ladder.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233366]No, it didn't magically appear, they just stepped on a lot of people to reach the lofty position they're at now.[/QUOTE] Not every CEO of every company, jumped all over people and crushed people to get to where they are, some genuinely worked hard. In fact IIRC, a while back a Japanese CEO cut his pay down to what his average workers was, so he wouldn't have to lay any workers off, not every CEO is a greedy ass clown.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233366]No, it didn't magically appear, they just stepped on a lot of people to reach the lofty position they're at now.[/QUOTE] That doesn't sound ridiculous to you? I'm sure everyone they stepped on had the same oppertunity. I have just as much oppertunity to move up as the next guy in my company. If I educate myself, do what needs to be done and more, I can reach the same level.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233373]That 43% doesn't pay income tax because they literally do not have enough income to tax, or are dependents in their household. [/QUOTE] So I should get taxed more because they can't pay for it? That's fair

Fuck it flat tax

[QUOTE=imptastick;33233455]Fuck it flat tax[/QUOTE] I would actually go for a 15% flat tax on from my paycheck for regardless of income

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;33233441]So I should get taxed more because they can't pay for it? That's fair[/QUOTE] No, all the upper brackets need their rates to return to the levels they used to be, and with the loopholes closed so that a millionaire isn't paying an outrageously low effective tax rate. [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=JohnFisher89;33233468]I would actually go for a 15% flat tax on from my paycheck for regardless of income[/QUOTE] That would end up regressive and absurd. [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233418]That doesn't sound ridiculous to you? I'm sure everyone they stepped on had the same oppertunity. I have just as much oppertunity to move up as the next guy in my company. If I educate myself, do what needs to be done and more, I can reach the same level.[/QUOTE] You genuinely believe if you just "work hard", you have just as much of a chance at becoming the CEO of a major corporation as anyone else. That is quite literally, false.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33232744]Wow, people on this forum sure do love to exaggerate. Because every inner-city kid is a walking murderer and they love to attack their teachers.[/QUOTE] South Philly is a horrible place to be. I'd love to watch you walk through the neighborhoods.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233418]That doesn't sound ridiculous to you? I'm sure everyone they stepped on had the same oppertunity. I have just as much oppertunity to move up as the next guy in my company. If I educate myself, do what needs to be done and more, I can reach the same level.[/QUOTE] but the problem is the 'what needs to be done' is ethically abhorrent most of the time

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33233557]but the problem is the 'what needs to be done' is ethically abhorrent most of the time[/QUOTE] I don't see what is bad about the idea that it should be simple to get a job, and not an incredibly drawn-out hassle where you have to jump through a hundred hoops.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233570]I don't see what is bad about the idea that it should be simple to get a job, and not an incredibly drawn-out hassle where you have to jump through a hundred hoops.[/QUOTE] it's actually funny to me that I could be so much richer and it would be so much easier if I was a drug dealer than if I put time into getting a degree, which is what I'm doing.

[QUOTE=strayebyrd;33233596]it's actually funny to me that I could be so much richer and it would be so much easier if I was a drug dealer than if I put time into getting a degree, which is what I'm doing.[/QUOTE] this. i have a friend who comes home every few days with about a thousand dollars. he's barely 18. at the same time im staying in school and im gonna be going to college, even though that doesn't even near guarantee me a job, let alone one that pays anything like that.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33233484]You genuinely believe if you just "work hard", you have just as much of a chance at becoming the CEO of a major corporation as anyone else. That is quite literally, false.[/QUOTE] No, if I work hard, show management ability, and contribute, I do have the oppertunity to become CEO of a major corporation. If not CEO, I can become another major player at the very least. Stop being such a downer. Everyone has opertunity. But it's cool if you don't want to pursue it, leaves more room for me.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233888]Stop being such a downer. Everyone has opertunity. But it's cool if you don't want to pursue it, leaves more room for me.[/QUOTE] A downer? Quite the contrary, I want everyone to be able to find work. If this means a public works program, or a more egalitarian policy structure, then by all means bring it on. What you're saying is basically "hey man, that's competition and if you don't like it that's just more money for me".

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233888]No, if I work hard, show management ability, and contribute, I do have the oppertunity to become CEO of a major corporation. If not CEO, I can become another major player at the very least. Stop being such a downer. Everyone has opertunity. But it's cool if you don't want to pursue it, leaves more room for me.[/QUOTE] If you want to be a CEO you're a bad person. By the sound of it, all you care about is money. Here's an idea. Maybe people do what they enjoy, even if it doesn't pay millions of dollars.

Capitalism gives you opportunity, sure. How many people do you fuck over to get to the top now?

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;33233957]If you want to be a CEO you're a bad person. By the sound of it, all you care about is money. Here's an idea. Maybe people do what they enjoy, even if it doesn't pay millions of dollars.[/QUOTE] Actually, if I could become CEO of a major software company, I would be doing what I enjoy. Sorry I'm a bad person for wanting to do as much as I can. I didn't know you could tell what my personality is from that.