Polls Indicate That 60% of Americans Want Govt. to Fight Income Disparity - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;33233997]Capitalism gives you opportunity, sure. How many people do you fuck over to get to the top now?[/QUOTE] Quite a few last time I checked. How about we all pitch in so that the poor don't have to be so poor? [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SilentOpp;33234020]Actually, if I could become CEO of a major software company, I would be doing what I enjoy. Sorry I'm a bad person for wanting to do as much as I can. I didn't know you could tell what my personality is from that.[/QUOTE] If you want to be a CEO, that's fine, but don't look down your nose at anyone with the attitude of "I deserve all that I earn, I won't be paying a dime more in taxes!".

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33234020]Actually, if I could become CEO of a major software company, I would be doing what I enjoy. Sorry I'm a bad person for wanting to do as much as I can. I didn't know you could tell what my personality is from that.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I want to be a real software developer. Not a prick with a pointy-haired boss who doesn't do anything, but reaps all of the reward from my work. Look at Bill Gates. He's a scumbag who has billions of dollars, while the real programmers at Microsoft are getting their measly salaries. Would it kill him to even up the wealth a bit? Maybe he could have paid his workers a little bit better while still being the richest man in the world. Bill Gates probably hasn't done any programming since 1984.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33234025]Quite a few last time I checked. How about we all pitch in so that the poor don't have to be so poor? [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] If you want to be a CEO, that's fine, but don't look down your nose at anyone with the attitude of "I deserve all that I earn, I won't be paying a dime more in taxes!".[/QUOTE] Yeah because I've totally been ragging people with low income. But I have been saying 'You want 90% of my pay? Go to hell', because that's how I feel. People shouldn't have to give away more and more of their income just because they make more. At 15%, they'd still be getting more money from a person making $50,000 vs $16,000, and that sounds fair to me. [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;33234113]Sorry, I want to be a real software developer. Not a prick with a pointy-haired boss who doesn't do anything, but reaps all of the reward from my work. Look at Bill Gates. He's a scumbag who has billions of dollars, while the real programmers at Microsoft are getting their measly salaries. Would it kill him to even up the wealth a bit? Maybe he could have paid his workers a little bit better while still being the richest man in the world. Bill Gates probably hasn't done any programming since 1984.[/QUOTE] I'll just leave this here: [url]http://gizmodo.com/5019527/bill-gates-made-men-the-wild-n-crazy-ventures-of-the-microsoft-millionaires[/url] By doing what he did, he provided the environment for the people he employed to come together. Microsoft workers make a lot of money. They get good benefits too. We are lucky that a person like Bill Gates was the one to lead windows for as long as he did, if not, we might be using a very different and unsupported operating system then we have today. BTW fuck all the moneyz he's given away, it don't matter. I bet this guy doesn't program EVVERRRR: [QUOTE]Name: Ric Weiland Most Recent Job: Board of Directors, Pride Foundation Years at Microsoft: 13 Position: Lead Programmer, Project Leader The project leader for Microsoft Works and lead programmer for the BASIC and COBOL language systems, Ric Weiland was described as a "brilliant programmer" and key to Microsoft's success by Paul Allen. Before his untimely passing in 2006, Weiland was one of the nation's most powerful LGBT activists, contributing over $30 million in his lifetime and bequeathing $65 million more while never seeking the limelight for his work.[/QUOTE] You are picking on the wrong company right now.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;33234113]Sorry, I want to be a real software developer. Not a prick with a pointy-haired boss who doesn't do anything, but reaps all of the reward from my work. Look at Bill Gates. He's a scumbag who has billions of dollars, while the real programmers at Microsoft are getting their measly salaries. Would it kill him to even up the wealth a bit? Maybe he could have paid his workers a little bit better while still being the richest man in the world. Bill Gates probably hasn't done any programming since 1984.[/QUOTE] Oh I seriously hope you are trolling bill gates donates massive amounts of money to fight aids, malaria, and other world problems, also his programmers average 52k/yr + Full Dental/Vacation/Health/Stock options

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33234115]At 15%, they'd still be getting more money from a person making $50,000 vs $16,000, and that sounds fair to me.[/QUOTE] at 15% there wouldn't be enough money coming in to support the country do you have any idea how LOW of a tax rate that is by the way, a bracketed system is fair Everyone pays the same amount of tax on incomes W-X, the same (higher) amount on incomes X-Y, and the same (higher again) amount on incomes Y-Z It's not like the system says "oh you make 500k a year, you pay 80%!!"

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33234115]Yeah because I've totally been ragging people with low income. But I have been saying 'You want 90% of my pay? Go to hell', because that's how I feel. People shouldn't have to give away more and more of their income just because they make more. At 15%, they'd still be getting more money from a person making $50,000 vs $16,000, and that sounds fair to me.[/QUOTE] Has anyone here seriously supported a 90% tax rate? And then within the same paragraph you advocate a 15% flat tax? What the fuck?

Fox News: 60% of "Americans" hate America! [quote]and 5 percent view the disparity as “smaller” than it has been historically[/quote] This just in, 5% of the country are fucking imbeciles. [QUOTE=SilentOpp;33234115]At 15%, they'd still be getting more money from a person making $50,000 vs $16,000, and that sounds fair to me.[/QUOTE] And yet, both have to pay a minimum amount for food, housing, basic necessities, etc. Additionally, the guy making $500,000 a year definitely doesn't need $475,000 a year to get by. And he certainly doesn't work 10 times as many hours as the guy making $50,000. Sure, not everyone should be making the exact same amount of money. But it should be way more even than it is now. Hell, haven't the average wages for the bottom 50% (or some percentage like that) stayed roughly the same for about 30 years? Also, wages are set arbitrarily, you know that, right?

[QUOTE=Ridge;33230755]Punishing people for working harder will not help the economy.[/QUOTE] This post is dumber than a rock with autism.

[QUOTE=lavacano;33234565]This post is dumber than a rock with autism.[/QUOTE] Even a rock one-ups his argument. A rock has [I]some[/I] level of substance.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33234197]at 15% there wouldn't be enough money coming in to support the country do you have any idea how LOW of a tax rate that is by the way, a bracketed system is fair Everyone pays the same amount of tax on incomes W-X, the same (higher) amount on incomes X-Y, and the same (higher again) amount on incomes Y-Z It's not like the system says "oh you make 500k a year, you pay 80%!!"[/QUOTE] I'm not advocating 15%, I am fine with the bracketed system as it is now. However, there has been a discussion about raising income taxes to 90% before, which is where I was drawing that from.(althought it may have been a discussion on million dollar plus incomes..) [QUOTE]And yet, both have to pay a minimum amount for food, housing, basic necessities, etc. Additionally, the guy making $500,000 a year definitely doesn't need $475,000 a year to get by. And he certainly doesn't work 10 times as many hours as the guy making $50,000. Sure, not everyone should be making the exact same amount of money. But it should be way more even than it is now. Hell, haven't the average wages for the bottom 50% (or some percentage like that) stayed roughly the same for about 30 years? Also, wages are set arbitrarily, you know that, right? [/QUOTE] I don't really care that his income exceeds his needs. He got to that income. Fairs fair. Now, people making more than me paying less taxes? That needs to go.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33234610]However, there has been a discussion about raising income taxes to 90% before, which is where I was drawing that from.(althought it may have been a discussion on million dollar plus incomes..)[/QUOTE] When? Where? The only possible time that would've been brought up is the fact that millionaires paid 94% income tax in the 40s and 50s. You know, the [B]best economic times we've ever had?[/B]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;33234180]Oh I seriously hope you are trolling bill gates donates massive amounts of money to fight aids, malaria, and other world problems, also his programmers average 52k/yr + Full Dental/Vacation/Health/Stock options[/QUOTE] Maybe he should donate some of that to his workers who only have a $52k salary. Why should he have billions but they have next to nothing.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33234633]When? Where? The only possible time that would've been brought up is the fact that millionaires paid 94% income tax in the 40s and 50s. You know, the [B]best economic times we've ever had?[/B][/QUOTE] Im not really big on economic history but wasnt most of the prosperity at that point in time due to the war economy?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33234633]When? Where? The only possible time that would've been brought up is the fact that millionaires paid 94% income tax in the 40s and 50s. You know, the [B]best economic times we've ever had?[/B][/QUOTE]While I agree with an income tax that high for millionaires, the reason why the forties and fifties were good was from virtually no outsourcing, and wartime economies.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;33234667]While I agree with an income tax that high for millionaires, the reason why the forties and fifties were good was from virtually no outsourcing, and wartime economies.[/QUOTE] True, so let's bring back industry not by tax breaks and deregulation, but by penalization of outsourcing. Believe you me, the companies aren't going to move to China entirely. [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=N-12_Aden;33234648]Im not really big on economic history but wasnt most of the prosperity at that point in time due to the war economy?[/QUOTE] That was [B]a part of it.[/B]

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;33234645]Maybe he should donate some of that to his workers who only have a $52k salary. Why should he have billions but they have next to nothing.[/QUOTE] Okay you are just trolling now, I think I see where you are going but 52k is the average with full bennys you can probably tack on another 10-12k

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33234788] That was [B]a part of it.[/B][/QUOTE] Like I said, not sure about the economics of the time. Thanks for pointing that out.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;33232682]God damn socialist wealth-spreaders! Stop punishing success, work harder if you want to be rich. :downs: How can 31% of people say wealth distribution is the same as it's been in the past? This isn't an opinion question, it's a verifiable fact question.[/QUOTE] Because America, facts mean [I]nothing[/I] if you have beliefs contrary to them. [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] Watch the Government do nothing.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/XyNy1.jpg[/img] Why wasn't this posted yet?

[QUOTE=JamesRaynor;33235524][img]http://i.imgur.com/XyNy1.jpg[/img] Why wasn't this posted yet?[/QUOTE] It's been posted before and I thought someone pointed out that this isn't entirely true.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33231630]Yeah because the rest of us are totally calling them 'lazy'. And I'd love to see how being a coal miner is more mentally stressful than being the CEO of a company.[/QUOTE] And the award for "dumbest thing Zero has read all week" goes to...

[QUOTE=Miskav;33231131]Ridge, I just want to say that I really want to take your arguments and your standpoints seriously. But when you say such down-right retarded things, it makes me wonder if you've ever had an education. You're not helping yourself, in fact, it's as if you're trying your hardest to look like a parody account, trying to emulate far right rhetoric. Then at other times you stop being a dumbfuck and you post insightful things, is your account compromised, and they hop on randomly to post?[/QUOTE] I pretty much agree. Us liberals are open minded to a point but goddamn [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=SilentOpp;33231630]Yeah because the rest of us are totally calling them 'lazy'. And I'd love to see how being a coal miner is more mentally stressful than being the CEO of a company.[/QUOTE] It's probably mentally stressful in different ways. Like I don't know how much mining pays but I bet many are wondering constantly how to put food on the table.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33230199]You hear that? The Americans want [I]wealth re-distribution policies.[/I][/QUOTE] That is not what it said at all. Of course [i]you[/i] being the one reading it, you would reach that conclusion. [editline]e[/editline] [QUOTE=JamesRaynor;33235524][img]http://i.imgur.com/XyNy1.jpg[/img] Why wasn't this posted yet?[/QUOTE] uh, maybe because it's a fucking retard holding up a piece of paper?

[QUOTE=s0beit;33239082]That is not what it said at all. Of course [i]you[/i] being the one reading it, you would reach that conclusion.[/QUOTE] Well then, how do you interpret this line: [quote]Indeed, 60 percent of Americans think the federal government should “pursue policies that try to reduce the gap between wealth and less well-off Americans,”[/quote]

So what does "pursue policies that try to reduce the gap between wealth and less well-off Americans” even mean? That the federal government should step in and tell people how much money they can make? I really don't see an effective way of having the federal government policing peoples' wealth.

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;33239490]So what does "pursue policies that try to reduce the gap between wealth and less well-off Americans” even mean? That the federal government should step in and tell people how much money they can make? I really don't see an effective way of having the federal government policing peoples' wealth.[/QUOTE] I do. It's called 'taxes'.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;33230804]Just because some people have more money doesn't mean they worked harder for it.[/QUOTE] Just because some people have more money, doesn't mean that some people have less money.

[QUOTE=SilentOpp;33233269]You're joking right? We pay our taxes. People in the middle-upper class probably pay more in taxes then anyone else. And still, people just want to tax the middle-upper class more 'just because their income isn't equal to a coal miner'.[/QUOTE] I recall my Highschool AP econ teacher saying the rich only account for 10% of all tax revenue. They know where to put there money, how to handle it, what to categorize it as, who to pay off, they know the system. They know how to avoid taxes, or as many taxes as they can. [editline]11th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=umx48;33233390]Not every CEO of every company, jumped all over people and crushed people to get to where they are, some genuinely worked hard. In fact IIRC, a while back a Japanese CEO cut his pay down to what his average workers was, so he wouldn't have to lay any workers off, not every CEO is a greedy ass clown.[/QUOTE] Yeah but that wouldn't happen in America with the top 1%.

That 60% of people? Yeah, the top 5% have more money than all of you. Guess who is going to get their way in Congress?

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33230199] You hear that? The Americans want [I]wealth re-distribution policies.[/I][/QUOTE] I think you mean they want money. Someone else's preferably.