Phil Fish could be charged 20,000$ and 20 years in prison for fraud. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=proboardslol;45942672]Indie games are the worst part of the industry. There are good ones, but the entire subsection is too volatile[/QUOTE] Obviously it is, Indie Games is such a broad term, it includes anything from games I do from games Edmund McMillen does.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45938906]Its like you can't read 'could'.[/QUOTE] "Swilly could be charged with capital murder" is just as accurate as this thread title. For all the bitching about clickbait sites like Kotaku, this forum sure loves its clickbait.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;45940142]But gaming is a 10 billion dollar industry, you're on a gaming forum, the FBI doesn't have anything more important to worry about than a rigged obscure gaming festival, etc. etc.[/QUOTE] you do realize that the severity of a crime is not a reason to not have the authorities step in, right? Law enforcement agencies do not work under the mentality of "Well, that's not important enough for us to deal with".

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45943435]you do realize that the severity of a crime is not a reason to not have the authorities step in, right? Law enforcement agencies do not work under the mentality of "Well, that's not important enough for us to deal with".[/QUOTE] An accusation of a crime by some internet idiot is not enough to prompt the FBI to give a shit. How many false accusations of wrongdoing do you think they've gotten in the last month from angry internet manchildren? They've probably set up an email filter to auto delete all this bullshit by now. Nothing Phil Fish has been accused of fits fraud or racketeering, and this has been explained in detail in past threads. If people would unclamp their hands from their ears and listen to reason for 30 seconds - or even just apply a little bit of common sense - they'd realize that no, Phil Fish could not go to prison for 20 years. It doesn't matter how much you want it, the internet isn't a genie bottle. You can't send nerds you hate to prison on trumped up accusations of this or that. And yeah, they do work on the mentality of "that's not important enough for us to deal with". They have a finite budget, and they've already burned through at least half of it crying in laughter on the floor at this stupid crap.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943447]An accusation of a crime by some internet idiot is not enough to prompt the FBI to give a shit. How many false accusations of wrongdoing do you think they've gotten in the last month from angry internet manchildren? They've probably set up an email filter to auto delete all this bullshit by now.[/QUOTE] It's good to know that because of how apathetic people like you are, crimes can be committed in gaming and will never face the courts because "LOL WHO FUCKING CARES VIDYA GAMES AND MANCHILDREN" [editline]10th September 2014[/editline] and no, I know he can't go to jail for 20 years. That's not the point.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45943469]crimes can be committed in gaming [/QUOTE] oh my god

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943474]oh my god[/QUOTE] right i forgot, nothing has happened and no one should even be questioned further

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45943478]right i forgot, nothing has happened and no one should even be questioned further[/QUOTE] Do you seriously think the FBI is going to actually spend the time and money to question people without even doing a cursory examination of whether or not the accusations even fit the legal definition of the crime that's claimed to have been committed? The accusation against Phil Fish is literally, "he's guilty of racketeering and here's why: *list of things that don't fit the definition of racketeering*". Unless they have more than what has already been presented, they're already [i]done[/i] their investigation.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943491]Do you seriously think the FBI is going to actually spend the time and money to question people without even doing a cursory examination of whether or not the accusations even fit the legal definition of the crime that's claimed to have been committed?[/QUOTE] right, because if a crime can't be placed right in a box, it's not worth anyones time.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45943498]right, because if a crime can't be placed right in a box, it's not worth anyones time.[/QUOTE] Well first the evidence has to suggest that a crime has been committed in the first place. He got nominated for awards because a few of the people in charge of nominations knew him. That's literally the whole thing. The investments? Happened after. The people who nominated him? Not involved in judging for the actual awards. Is there anything else? Cut and dry, this is nothing but an attempt to utilize a pack of already angry gamers to slander someone the internet doesn't like. People have caught on to SWATting so internet mudrakers had to move on to something else, this is what they came up with.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943506]Well first the evidence has to suggest that a crime has been committed in the first place. He got nominated for awards because a few of the people in charge of nominations knew him. That's literally the whole thing. The investments? Happened after. The people who nominated him? Not involved in judging for the actual awards. Is there anything else? Cut and dry, this is nothing but an attempt to utilize a pack of already angry gamers to slander someone the internet doesn't like. People have caught on to SWATting so internet mudrakers had to move on to something else, this is what they came up with.[/QUOTE] Okay, first off, citation needed. secondly, yes, we get it, you think gamergate, and everyone who feels that there's anything here are morons. Now, stop acting like you're so high and fucking mighty. You're acting with that last little bit of your post like people actually support ruining someones life like that. Thanks, you're doing a great job of character assassination and making me really want to take the other, important part of your posts seriously. sorry I haven't had ample time to follow every little bit of this in the last two days, but when I last checked, no one had really proved there was no collusion what so ever. But fuck your attitude man. I don't support that shit, you're being just like max making claims and massive generalizations to put yourself above other people and acting like you're not doing it. God damn you used to be better than that.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45943561]you think gamergate, and everyone who feels that there's anything here are morons. [/QUOTE] People like the OP who post speculation as news and the general lack of critical thinking don't help

IGF, indiefund and polytron could be charged with collusion and potentially intent to defraud.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45943561]you think gamergate, and everyone who feels that there's anything here are morons[/QUOTE] "Moron" is pretty harsh. But if you can fall this badly for a [url=http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/]4chan astroturfing campaign[/url] and actually continue perpetuating it yourself through hyberbole like this thread, it might be accurate.

About time he got into some hot water.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943781]"Moron" is pretty harsh. But if you can fall this badly for a [url=http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/]4chan astroturfing campaign[/url] and actually continue perpetuating it yourself through hyberbole like this thread, it might be accurate.[/QUOTE] It's true that some had malicious intent, but did most of the users behind the hashtags support those malicious ideals? The post archives and tweets show little support to those ideals. It's also worth noting that there were only twelve members who posted in that irc channel. If they posted in the rizon irc, I think you could get the entire logs yourself using the "!log" command. Rizon has a bot that automatically logs messages for 90 days.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;45944001]It's true that some had malicious intent, but did most of the users behind the hashtags support those malicious ideals? The post archives show opposition to those ideals. It's also worth noting that there were only twelve members who posted in that irc channel. If they posted in the rizon irc, I think you could get the entire logs yourself using the "!log" command. Rizon has a bot that automatically logs messages for 90 days.[/QUOTE] There's a legitimate debate to be had about the topic of #gamergate but it was a small group of 4channers that took the hashtag from something used to refer to the misogyny surrounding the controversy and make it an "anti-corruption" anti-SJW thing. Everyone ran with it, despite the feigned sincerity.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943781]"Moron" is pretty harsh. But if you can fall this badly for a [url=http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/]4chan astroturfing campaign[/url] and actually continue perpetuating it yourself through hyberbole like this thread, it might be accurate.[/QUOTE] I agree with you that the title and article are very clickbait. It's not helping the quality of gaming journalism when people still take clickbait when it support their view. But you're flat out wrong about everything else. The logs were provided by Zoe Quinn, which already loses a lot of credibility considering her tendency to lie, and were proven to be doctored to support her view. You can compare the raw logs to her logs yourself. This isn't the internet finding a new means of SWATing people. There is evidence of corruption, provided by the leaked financial records of Polytron and validated by people close to IGF. Just because it involves video games, doesn't invalidate fraud. [editline]10th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;45944041]There's a legitimate debate to be had about the topic of #gamergate but it was a small group of 4channers that took the hashtag from something used to refer to the misogyny surrounding the controversy and make it an "anti-corruption" anti-SJW thing. Everyone ran with it, despite the feigned sincerity.[/QUOTE] So because of its supposed origin by 12 people, it discredits the whole topic?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943781]"Moron" is pretty harsh. But if you can fall this badly for a [url=http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/]4chan astroturfing campaign[/url] and actually continue perpetuating it yourself through hyberbole like this thread, it might be accurate.[/QUOTE] Wow, that's damning! The only way that could be invalidated is if Zoe Quinn edited it to fit her narrative and discredit the opposition. Oh. Hang on. That's exactly what she did. Huh.

I still think Phil Fish should have been executed in a public ceremony years ago

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45944041]There's a legitimate debate to be had about the topic of #gamergate but it was a small group of 4channers that took the hashtag from something used to refer to the misogyny surrounding the controversy and make it an "anti-corruption" anti-SJW thing. Everyone ran with it, despite the feigned sincerity.[/QUOTE] You're not giving Reimu enough credit here. Managed to get MissAngerist to consider and eventually support the issue(Whose retweeting of the twitlonger post was Adam Baldwin's first involvement which then sparked into #gamergate.) This wasn't some conspiracy by 4chan. Everywhere was talking about it(When they weren't being gagged). People from all corners of the internet were involved. If you want to know who created #gamergate, look back at those covering the scandal and trying to make it something it's not. It was at the point where even people who said "I'll reserve judgment until we have more info" were lambasted by those in gaming media. Really the whole thing picked up around the time the big storm of "gamers are dead" articles were released suddenly at the same time. Because if there's anything you want to do to convince people you aren't part of some conspiracy or corrupt group, it's publish the same article across 12 different sites.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45944041]There's a legitimate debate to be had about the topic of #gamergate but it was a small group of 4channers that took the hashtag from something used to refer to the misogyny surrounding the controversy and make it an "anti-corruption" anti-SJW thing. Everyone ran with it, despite the feigned sincerity.[/QUOTE] I think that the hashtag switched focus because of the articles that bashed the gamer subculture entirely for the actions of a few. It wouldn't be too concerning if it didn't enable non-participants to misinterpret the subculture. There were many people who didn't fall into those stereotypes (see: the EVO community) and authors were called out for it. No doubt that doxxing and death threats are terrible things to happen to a single person, but most mediums refuse to acknowledge the lowest common denominator of people. Beiber doesn't acknowledge the homophobic comments directed at him in Twitter and Youtube.

Glub glub the sound of a Fish drowning

It seems a bit ironic that a lot of people are so fast to believe a lot of this conspiracy when there is generally said a strong aversion to possible false accusations.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45943781]"Moron" is pretty harsh. But if you can fall this badly for a [url=http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/09/new-chat-logs-show-how-4chan-users-pushed-gamergate-into-the-national-spotlight/]4chan astroturfing campaign[/url] and actually continue perpetuating it yourself through hyberbole like this thread, it might be accurate.[/QUOTE] Nope, you're wrong. [url]https://medium.com/@cainejw/a-narrative-of-gamergate-and-examination-of-claims-of-collusion-with-4chan-5cf6c1a52a60[/url]

[QUOTE=Valnar;45944819]It seems a bit ironic that a lot of people are so fast to believe a lot of this conspiracy when there is generally said a strong aversion to possible false accusations.[/QUOTE] Okay, so some idiots are calling for stupid things and we're back to using facepunch as a hivemind but here's the thing, a lot of people, i'd say most, don't want them thrown in jail right now. They want an investigation, they want this to be paid attention to. We're just fucking tired of being told everything we think is wrong and stupid and we're stupid and we're all misognyists and are willing to do and say horrible thing when the majority of us just want answers to our questions and want to know whats going on

Nothing will happen because the FBI doesn't share your hatred of Phil fish.

[QUOTE=H8Entitlement;45945873]Nothing will happen because the FBI doesn't share your hatred of Phil fish.[/QUOTE] Try reading. Read the source, read the thread, read feckin' [I]something[/I].

Eh, Poisson's a terrible person, all told. I think this is the basest form of whatever karmic retribution exists.

Isn't this a multinational thing? This seems like a clusterfuck of sending out warrants and getting extraditions