15 Years Later: New Scientific Paper in Reputable Physics Journal Argues 9/11 Was An Inside Job - Polidicks

[QUOTE=OvB;51050483]V-cuts made by first responders making the area safe so they could save lives. 60 tons of thermite charges wouldn't make neat little cuts like a dude with a plasma cutter would.[/QUOTE] Could you explain to me why a V-cut would be necessary for the simple removal of debris? as apposed to just cutting straight through? wouldn't you save a lot on sedaline? I also think they use something called a cutter charge for making the V-cut in demos

Barbarian887, what led you to believe that 9/11 is a conspiracy? That jet fuel can't melt steel beams and all that shit? I am legitimately curious to know your thoughts process.

[QUOTE=OvB;51050516]Why would the floors be sitting on top of one another? The floors were made from smallish, barely structural steel. Their job was to hold up office workers and their furniture. The floor was probably thin steel plates laid down on small steel A frame trusses. You're telling me that, these small A frame trusses and thin sheet metal are going to maintain their structure after an entire building comes crashing down on it? [img]http://i.imgur.com/nWI7wNm.jpg[/img] Plus, the whole floor held up by those tiny little brackets, which would be under intense heat form the fire, lost structural integrity, dropped the floors near the impact, which put added strain on the floors below them because they weren't designed to hold up tons and tons and tons of steel floor structure + heat. The rest is a failure cascade.[/QUOTE] Not entirely hold their shape no, but I feel like there should be at least one partially recognizable "floor" of some sort at the bottom, especially the floors above the 'crush zone'. Like the hat trusses, shouldn't those have at least survived enough to be in a somewhat recognizable state? I would still like an explanation as to what destroyed the core columns.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050548]Not entirely hold their shape no, but I feel like there should be at least one partially recognizable "floor" of some sort at the bottom, especially the floors above the 'crush zone'. Like the hat trusses, shouldn't those have at least survived enough to be in a somewhat recognizable state? I would still like an explanation as to what destroyed the core columns.[/QUOTE] What are you even [b]arguing about[/b]? NOBODY, including yourself, denies that the BUILDING COLLAPSED. Why are you asking about a completely irrelevant thing? What does how the floors look like matter?

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050548]Not entirely hold their shape no, but I feel like there should be at least one partially recognizable "floor" of some sort at the bottom, especially the floors above the 'crush zone'. Like the hat trusses, shouldn't those have at least survived enough to be in a somewhat recognizable state?[/QUOTE] Drop your video game console down from a 3 story roof and it wont look much like a console anymore. And thats WITHOUT being crushed. [QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050548]I would still like an explanation as to what destroyed the core columns.[/QUOTE] THE BUILDING FALLING ON TOP OF IT.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050523]Could you explain to me why a V-cut would be necessary for the simple removal of debris? as apposed to just cutting straight through? wouldn't you save a lot on sedaline? I also think they use something called a cutter charge for making the V-cut in demos[/QUOTE] The same reason you cut a tree in a V cut. So you can control where it falls so you don't kill yourself or others. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VskSiHS1r0[/media] Here's a 1 hour long video form Ground Zero ironworkers: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GniL4-sf6X4[/media] (note, I haven't watched the whole thing) It's called a Thermal Lance: [img]http://i.imgur.com/6H3XNOq.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/TElXD4e.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/SHMrF8V.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=joshuadim;51050534]Barbarian887, what led you to believe that 9/11 is a conspiracy? That jet fuel can't melt steel beams and all that shit? I am legitimately curious to know your thoughts process.[/QUOTE] Okay, well, first off people on both sides of the fence think it was a conspiracy, whether it was 19 devout muslims or someone else. I haven't heard anyone claim that it was one guy acting alone. kerosene, from my understanding of it cannot burn anywhere near 2750°F, which is needed for steel to melt.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050479]Well I'd like to think I do. What's on your mind? I know it's easier to just insult me when you disagree than to actually form a rebuttal but maybe you could take a minute to enlighten me.[/QUOTE] Why aren't you banned yet? Just why, your own stupidity is a complete microcosm of inaccurate bullshit. Literally on all levels,including physical you're a fucking idiot and by that I believe that the mods haven't banned you yet is because some super elaborate plan to piss of FPers who feel strongly about this subject. But it's not, they just wanna see some dense mother fucker spout non-sense because it's funny. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Pascall))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050548] I would still like an explanation as to what destroyed the core columns.[/QUOTE] I already told you but you refuse to listen. [quote]1) Failure cascade from having already been destroyed at the area of impact, having a large amount of fireproofing blown off at the area of impact, and having an extreme amount of weight come crashing down on it from above.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050569] kerosene, from my understanding of it cannot burn anywhere near 2750°F, which is needed for steel to melt.[/QUOTE] [b]Fucking nobody claims that, the fuel just burned hot enough to allow the steel to become flexible and structurally unstable.[/b]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050470]And to anyone poo-pooing me for my formal education or lack thereof, I'd like to see your credentials, I'm not afraid to share mine. Also neither are these people: [url]http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html[/url][/QUOTE] I'm working towards a masters degree in chemistry. I may not have expert knowledge in civil engineering and architecture but I know enough to understand the logic (or lack thereof) put forth by both sides.

I used to play bridge builder religiously, I am basically an architect

[QUOTE=OvB;51050568]The same reason you cut a tree in a V cut. So you can control where it falls so you don't kill yourself or others. [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VskSiHS1r0[/media] Here's a 1 hour long video form Ground Zero ironworkers: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GniL4-sf6X4[/media] (note, I haven't watched the whole thing) It's called a Thermal Lance: [img]http://i.imgur.com/6H3XNOq.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/TElXD4e.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/SHMrF8V.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] The face cut of a tree is not done in the same way as the V-cut on an I-beam. A face cut looks like Face cut: | | | | |< | | V-cut: /\ | | | | Not only that, they serve different purposes. The face cut of a tree is so that it falls [b]over[/b], down an intended corridor. the purpose of a V-cut on a vertical column in a building is to cause the building to walk off of it's supporting beam(s). I'll watch those videos for a V-cut being made and report back.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050606]The face cut of a tree is not done in the same way as the V-cut on an I-beam. A face cut looks like Face cut: | | | | |< | | V-cut: /\ | | | | Not only that, they serve different purposes. The face cut of a tree is so that it falls [b]over[/b], down an intended corridor. the purpose of a V-cut on a vertical column in a building is to cause the building to walk off of it's supporting beam(s). I'll watch those videos for a V-cut being made and report back.[/QUOTE] For your sake, please stop posting in this thread.

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;51050570]Why aren't you banned yet? Just why, your own stupidity is a complete microcosm of inaccurate bullshit. Literally on all levels,including physical you're a fucking idiot and by that I believe that the mods haven't banned you yet is because some super elaborate plan to piss of FPers who feel strongly about this subject. But it's not, they just wanna see some dense mother fucker spout non-sense because it's funny.[/QUOTE] Having dumb opinions isn't against the rules, Flaming is however. [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050606]The face cut of a tree is not done in the same way as the V-cut on an I-beam. A face cut looks like Face cut: | | | | |< | | V-cut: /\ | | | | Not only that, they serve different purposes. The face cut of a tree is so that it falls [b]over[/b], down an intended corridor. the purpose of a V-cut on a vertical column in a building is to cause the building to walk off of it's supporting beam(s). I'll watch those videos for a V-cut being made and report back.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen any V cuts in any WTC pictures.

[QUOTE=OvB;51050613]Having dumb opinions isn't against the rules, Flaming is however. [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] I haven't seen any V cuts in any WTC pictures.[/QUOTE] He's essentially trolling at this point though. Ive personally seen people being banned for being less stupid.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51050604]I used to play bridge builder religiously, I am basically an architect[/QUOTE] fuck, your credentials are higher than mine......

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51050597]I'm working towards a masters degree in chemistry. I may not have expert knowledge in civil engineering and architecture but I know enough to understand the logic (or lack thereof) put forth by both sides.[/QUOTE] For what it's worth, a close friend of mine, who has a degree in chemical engineering, would agree with me.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51050619]He's essentially trolling at this point though. Ive personally seen people being banned for being less stupid.[/QUOTE] You gotta admit it's pretty entertaining. It'll get old eventually but I'm still enjoying myself here. [editline]15th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050624]For what it's worth, a close friend of mine, who has a degree in chemical engineering, would agree with me.[/QUOTE] What university did he graduate from? He should probably return his degree.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050624]For what it's worth, a close friend of mine, who has a degree in chemical engineering, would agree with me.[/QUOTE] He's just being nice and to not hurt your feelings.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51050587][b]Fucking nobody claims that, the fuel just burned hot enough to allow the steel to become flexible and structurally unstable.[/b][/QUOTE] people say that because there allegedly was molten steel found at the site.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51050663]people say that because there allegedly was molten steel found at the site.[/QUOTE] Allegedly.

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams is just a meme at this point. I don't think anyone seriously claims it can.

[QUOTE=OvB;51050516]Why would the floors be sitting on top of one another? The floors were made from smallish, barely structural steel. Their job was to hold up office workers and their furniture. The floor was probably thin steel plates laid down on small steel A frame trusses. You're telling me that, these small A frame trusses and thin sheet metal are going to maintain their structure after an entire building comes crashing down on it? [img]http://i.imgur.com/nWI7wNm.jpg[/img] Plus, the whole floor held up by those tiny little brackets, which would be under intense heat form the fire, lost structural integrity, dropped the floors near the impact, which put added strain on the floors below them because they weren't designed to hold up tons and tons and tons of steel floor structure + heat. The rest is a failure cascade.[/QUOTE] Wow, I always thought the floors were made of beams instead of a walmart roof.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050569]Okay, well, first off people on both sides of the fence think it was a conspiracy, whether it was 19 devout muslims or someone else. I haven't heard anyone claim that it was one guy acting alone. kerosene, from my understanding of it cannot burn anywhere near 2750°F, which is needed for steel to melt.[/QUOTE] It was the actions of Al-Quaeda terrorists who hijacked the planes and crashed them into the towers. Steel beams don't need to melt to give under pressure as explained in that youtube video with the metallurgist/forge worker showing how easily steel bends when it's hot.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51050587][b]Fucking nobody claims that, the fuel just burned hot enough to allow the steel to become flexible and structurally unstable.[/b][/QUOTE] Really? [QUOTE=joshuadim;51050534]Barbarian887, what led you to believe that 9/11 is a conspiracy? That jet fuel can't melt steel beams and all that shit? I am legitimately curious to know your thoughts process.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cmx;51050680]Wow, I always thought the floors were made of beams instead of a walmart roof.[/QUOTE] The building was designed so that the interior would have no structural columns. Which is why all the columns are in the steel core and perimeter. There's really no need to make the roof stronger, as the only thing it needs to be able to do is hold up a few tons worth of Investment Bankers, Office desks, and broken copy machines.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050696]Really?[/QUOTE] He WASNT saying it COULD.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050696]Really?[/QUOTE] OK now you're twisting my words. I never claimed that. I used that phrase to lightly mock you. Cmon dude.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050696]Really?[/QUOTE] Joshuadim was being facetious. Let it go.