15 Years Later: New Scientific Paper in Reputable Physics Journal Argues 9/11 Was An Inside Job

[Geel]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050696]Really?[/QUOTE]

"Melting" is not the same as "heated to the point of structural weakness"

[King Tiger]

[QUOTE=27X;51048398]I've walked in both buildings. They were there.

Blame.

It's like living in a world without god. After being religious for your entire life. No safety net, no guaranteed get out of utter death card. The American way of life can't be altered forever by 40 muslims who've discovered an utterly unchecked and simple way to cause horrific amounts of death, it has to be an insidious pervasive milieu of ultimate power brokers determined to keep the world under their thumb.

America can't be humbled by [b]farmers and high school dropouts[/b], it has to be evil supervillain engineers paid in raw gold bullion, because a world where 40 angry people can bring a nation to a standstill is a world where anybody can die at any time by simply being unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Also you get to be in the secret club of crusading good guys, whom save the world by sitting on your ass spouting echo chamber opinions, which much like outraged tumblry people is a pretty sweet gig that you don't actually have to put any time or effort into.

The really sad thing is there are plenty of real conspiracies where people collude and screw shit up for everybody all the time, but since most of them are political or monetary in nature, apparently they aren't worth anyone's time.

I mean we just had the DNC selection committee openly and blatantly collude to fuck over everyone in the race except Hilary, and nary a peep from truthers.

That's actually how you know they're full of shit.

Also hey look, a Flameon thread.

Quel surprise.[/QUOTE]

Great post, but I have to correct you: all of the hijackers were college educated. Many of them had PhDs.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51050671]Allegedly.[/QUOTE]

i don't really sit on one side of the fence or the other on this, but i found this article interesting. i wish they took pictures for it

[url]www.nytimes.com/2001/11/15/nyregion/a-nation-challenged-the-site-below-rubble-a-tour-of-a-still-burning-hell.html[/url]

[joshuadim]

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51050725]Great post, but I have to correct you: all of the hijackers were college educated. Many of them had PhDs.[/QUOTE]

To be honest not many people know/have read that information.

[Barbarian887]

[QUOTE=Mkt778;51050582]Alright since this is getting us nowhere, I want to propose something. If this is okay, that is. I love this discussion but so much influx can be hard to keep up with. Feel free to tell me to fuck off though.

Lets restart. Make just one well written and concise post, quoting your earlier posts if you have to and we'll start from there. Hold off from replying till at least the main people willing to debate have had their say, and after that, go back to free for all.

People coming into the thread now won't have to sift through 10 pages whilst missing out on every bit of needed info for the topic, and after that you can continue to smaller posts.

What do people think of that?[/QUOTE]

Here's some footage of building demolitions gone awry.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiNrzmbdC1Q[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPpfg_aWcE[/url]

I guess they haven't heard about the secret to a perfect controlled demolition: Scattered office fires!

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqbUkThGlCo[/url]
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Below video shows explosions throughout wtc2 as it begins to go down. Look at rise the upper right hand edge of the tower for a big one. I think the video also zooms in on it at 0:38

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj22fz8QJzI[/url]

The below video is really strange, it shows the core columns of WTC1 still standing right after most of the building has disintegrated, and something... happens to them. I'll let you form your own opinion on this one.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NKgMHJNlA[/url]

Below shows huge amounts of molten steel gushing out the side of WTC2, followed by a series of massive explosions racing down the side of the facade faster than the upper piece even falls.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULszqBv7OJw[/url]

For the below video skip to 1:55, you'll notice a massive pressure change inside the tower as smoke is "puffed" out... just as a plane smacks into the other building.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwKQXsXJDX4[/url]

Below shows WTC2 coming down, notice the demolition flashes near the bottom of the frame, the squibs present far above the impact wound on the left side as well as the front just below the impact wound. And then... wait for it... wait for it... the ENTIRE upper section explodes in mid air sending a colossal piece of the facade flying outward emerging from the dust cloud at the last second. Skip to 4:35 for the collapse.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2qtU9ffvpA[/url]

Below shows the upper part of WTC2 falling to the side during its collapse. However, this upper piece never manages to make it to the ground in one piece. It explodes in mid air, as seen in the previous video.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iAyYggVEc&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA&index=41[/url]

Below videos show debris being ejected in and upward arching manner from the tower, some clocked at over 60mph.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSHb449LZHA&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA&index=40[/url]

Below shows demolition waves ripping down the building in perfect symmetry.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JnZbYXcbqw[/url]

The below two videos show a humongous pyroclastic plume forming, very akin to volcanic eruptions and nuclear bombs. Also notice those things dancing around amid the cloud that look like tooth picks? Those are multi-ton steel I-beams.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rs1m0Q6q4I&index=16&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8emLw0mkA8[/url]

Below shows a violent explosive ejection from WTC2 long before any collpase.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlfLpY95Ic[/url]

Another demo wave ripping down the side of WTC2 beneath the canopy of debris.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Ftu96g8To[/url]

Below shows the telescoping effect on the north tower

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo[/url]

Here's a montage of footage

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4rjOhpCmCk[/url]

And last but not least, Building 7

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0vy33cv3o[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqbUkThGlCo[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI05q3Qfzvo[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws[/url]

Pull it.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0[/url]

_______________________________________

Here are some good channels for more footage:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/user/Xenomorph911WTC[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxvGFyCUkbMk4pB0C-AUJwQ[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth[/url]

________________________________________

Here's an interview with David Chandler.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYJ1wa3QKuo[/url]

A word with Richard Gage.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYCT06ihG4[/url]

_________________________________________

Here are some documentaries.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o&list=PLUshF3H0xxH35XPVaE1B24I8fueAj_G-d&index=5[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6LSR6p7-ig[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoyUVc_akas[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc[/url]

William Rodriguez
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQq96Oh2hEI[/url]

[Col. Buggernuts]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050470]And to anyone poo-pooing me for my formal education or lack thereof, I'd like to see your credentials, I'm not afraid to share mine.

Also neither are these people:
[URL]http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Oh god lol, that site again. The one that happily signed on landscape architects as if they know fuck all about skyscrapers.
At least they've prettied up the layout since last time.

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Here's some footage of building demolitions gone awry.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiNrzmbdC1Q[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPpfg_aWcE[/url]

I guess they haven't heard about the secret to a perfect controlled demolition: Scattered office fires!

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqbUkThGlCo[/url][/QUOTE]

The penthouse dropped through the middle of the building and when the middle gave way, the support beam network dragged the rest of the building along with it.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below video shows explosions throughout wtc2 as it begins to go down. Look at rise the upper right hand edge of the tower for a big one. I think the video also zooms in on it at 0:38

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj22fz8QJzI[/url][/QUOTE]

Theres literally nothing here. You're completely imagining it.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]The below video is really strange, it shows the core columns of WTC1 still standing right after most of the building has disintegrated, and something... happens to them. I'll let you form your own opinion on this one.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NKgMHJNlA[/url][/QUOTE]

It fell over?

Like the rest of the tower?

What is this supposed to prove?

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below shows huge amounts of molten steel gushing out the side of WTC2, followed by a series of massive explosions racing down the side of the facade faster than the upper piece even falls.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULszqBv7OJw[/url][/QUOTE]

Molten Aluminum[b] FROM THE PLANE.[/b]

Not Steel. ALUMINUM.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]For the below video skip to 1:55, you'll notice a massive pressure change inside the tower as smoke is "puffed" out... just as a plane smacks into the other building.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwKQXsXJDX4[/url][/QUOTE]

Okay and?

The shockwave of the plane crashing into the building blew back the debris and smoke?

Go to fucking school holy shit.

Im still running through the others but god damn..

[Barbarian887]

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;51050790]Oh god lol, that site again. The one that happily signed on landscape architects as if they know fuck all about skyscrapers.
At least they've prettied up the layout since last time.[/QUOTE]

Looking through that petition I find it hard to find anything other than architects and structural engineers

[Snowmew]

I am incredulous that you guys are still arguing over this.

A strange thread... the only winning move is not to post.

[1/4 Life]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050523]Could you explain to me why a V-cut would be necessary for the simple removal of debris? as apposed to just cutting straight through? wouldn't you save a lot on sedaline?[/QUOTE]

With a V-Cut you can better control how debris falls.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=Snowmew;51050814]I am incredulous that you guys are still arguing over this.

A strange thread... the only winning move is not to post.[/QUOTE]

its fun as long as you don't take it seriously

[Fourier]

[QUOTE=geel9;51050368]Regardless of whether or not it was a conspiracy, I've seen people go "but what would they have to GAIN?"

Perhaps the single greatest excuse for the complete erosion of any sense of privacy granted to American citizens?[/QUOTE]

It's not like USA government did shitload of evil things before (on their own citizens) so they would gain more power.

And 9/11 makes lots of sense power-grab wise.

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]
Below shows WTC2 coming down, notice the demolition flashes near the bottom of the frame, the squibs present far above the impact wound on the left side as well as the front just below the impact wound. And then... wait for it... wait for it... the ENTIRE upper section explodes in mid air sending a colossal piece of the facade flying outward emerging from the dust cloud at the last second. Skip to 4:35 for the collapse.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2qtU9ffvpA[/url][/quote]

Those are gusts of fire.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below shows the upper part of WTC2 falling to the side during its collapse. However, this upper piece never manages to make it to the ground in one piece. It explodes in mid air, as seen in the previous video.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iAyYggVEc&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA&index=41[/url][/quote]

Yeah no shit an object designed to remain perfectly still if sway very slightly falls the fuck apart at high speed.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below videos show debris being ejected in and upward arching manner from the tower, some clocked at over 60mph.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSHb449LZHA&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA&index=40[/url][/quote]

Because its being launched out of the pieces of building crashing into one another and forcing itself out.

GO TO SCHOOL.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below shows demolition waves ripping down the building in perfect symmetry.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JnZbYXcbqw[/url][/quote]

First, not perfect symmetry as the top was starting to pivot, second, THE TOP OF THE BUILDING COLLAPSED ONTO THE LOWER HALF. No shit it dropped at roughly a consistent rate, because it was all being forced down at once.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]The below two videos show a humongous pyroclastic plume forming, very akin to volcanic eruptions and nuclear bombs. Also notice those things dancing around amid the cloud that look like tooth picks? Those are multi-ton steel I-beams.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rs1m0Q6q4I&index=16&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8emLw0mkA8[/url][/quote]

Yes and?

Fire and debris. Holy smokes, what a shocker.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below shows a violent explosive ejection from WTC2 long before any collpase.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlfLpY95Ic[/url][/quote]

For fucks sake the title explains it, it was a pressure change blowing through the window as a result of the fire.

Go back to school holy shit.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Another demo wave ripping down the side of WTC2 beneath the canopy of debris.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Ftu96g8To[/url][/quote]

This is also literally nothing but your imagination.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below shows the telescoping effect on the north tower

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo[/url][/quote]

Gee willickers its almost like the building started collapsing in on itself or something.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050548]Not entirely hold their shape no, but I feel like there should be at least one partially recognizable "floor" of some sort at the bottom, especially the floors above the 'crush zone'. Like the hat trusses, shouldn't those have at least survived enough to be in a somewhat recognizable state?

I would still like an explanation as to what destroyed the core columns.[/QUOTE]

No, they wouldn't.

Things moving fast, that are hot, are malleable.

Any material. The temperatures we're talking about here are 800 degrees minimums, much hotter, reaching 1700 in the hottest areas. We're talking about a building made of malleable materials, having a ton of weight fall on it while it's hot, burning, and weakened, and you don't think this would fall down and pulverize itself?

Have you ever watched a high speed object hit something? Do you see that dust that comes out? Where was that dust before? You know where it was? It was the object. Getting vaporized and pulverized by speed and force because reality is punishing.

[Hollywood SN]

Uh oh, you activated HumanAbyss.

Ya fucked.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Here's some footage of building demolitions gone awry.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiNrzmbdC1Q[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPpfg_aWcE[/url]

I guess they haven't heard about the secret to a perfect controlled demolition: Scattered office fires!

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqbUkThGlCo[/url]
______________________________________________________

Below video shows explosions throughout wtc2 as it begins to go down. Look at rise the upper right hand edge of the tower for a big one. I think the video also zooms in on it at 0:38

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj22fz8QJzI[/url]

The below video is really strange, it shows the core columns of WTC1 still standing right after most of the building has disintegrated, and something... happens to them. I'll let you form your own opinion on this one.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NKgMHJNlA[/url]

Below shows huge amounts of molten steel gushing out the side of WTC2, followed by a series of massive explosions racing down the side of the facade faster than the upper piece even falls.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULszqBv7OJw[/url]

For the below video skip to 1:55, you'll notice a massive pressure change inside the tower as smoke is "puffed" out... just as a plane smacks into the other building.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwKQXsXJDX4[/url]

Below shows WTC2 coming down, notice the demolition flashes near the bottom of the frame, the squibs present far above the impact wound on the left side as well as the front just below the impact wound. And then... wait for it... wait for it... the ENTIRE upper section explodes in mid air sending a colossal piece of the facade flying outward emerging from the dust cloud at the last second. Skip to 4:35 for the collapse.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2qtU9ffvpA[/url]

Below shows the upper part of WTC2 falling to the side during its collapse. However, this upper piece never manages to make it to the ground in one piece. It explodes in mid air, as seen in the previous video.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-iAyYggVEc&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA&index=41[/url]

Below videos show debris being ejected in and upward arching manner from the tower, some clocked at over 60mph.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSHb449LZHA&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA&index=40[/url]

Below shows demolition waves ripping down the building in perfect symmetry.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JnZbYXcbqw[/url]

The below two videos show a humongous pyroclastic plume forming, very akin to volcanic eruptions and nuclear bombs. Also notice those things dancing around amid the cloud that look like tooth picks? Those are multi-ton steel I-beams.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rs1m0Q6q4I&index=16&list=UUSvrNB1pHmW4C5vpv-1BgUA[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8emLw0mkA8[/url]

Below shows a violent explosive ejection from WTC2 long before any collpase.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlfLpY95Ic[/url]

Another demo wave ripping down the side of WTC2 beneath the canopy of debris.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Ftu96g8To[/url]

Below shows the telescoping effect on the north tower

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGAofwkAOlo[/url]

Here's a montage of footage

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4rjOhpCmCk[/url]

And last but not least, Building 7

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol0vy33cv3o[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqbUkThGlCo[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI05q3Qfzvo[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws[/url]

Pull it.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0[/url]

_______________________________________

Here are some good channels for more footage:

[url]https://www.youtube.com/user/Xenomorph911WTC[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxvGFyCUkbMk4pB0C-AUJwQ[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/user/ae911truth[/url]

________________________________________

Here's an interview with David Chandler.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYJ1wa3QKuo[/url]

A word with Richard Gage.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYCT06ihG4[/url]

_________________________________________

Here are some documentaries.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqqelDq4P48[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQgVCj7q49o&list=PLUshF3H0xxH35XPVaE1B24I8fueAj_G-d&index=5[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6LSR6p7-ig[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoyUVc_akas[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Q5eZhCPuc[/url]

William Rodriguez
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQq96Oh2hEI[/url][/QUOTE]

You know

it's frankly full on disrespectful for you to go all thread ignoring everything anyone says, then you post what must be at least 30 hours worth of reading and video material, and you even preface some of them with [B]"I'll let you make up your own mind about this one"[/B] because this isn't about truth or reality to you, this is about being right, and being special.

I've seen the majority of your bullshit before when I used to believe in this stupid fucking conspiracy. Not one shred of it stands up to reason.

[Col. Buggernuts]

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51050837]Yes and?

Fire and debris. Holy smokes, what a shocker.[/QUOTE]"...a humongous pyroclastic plume forming, very akin to volcanic eruptions and [B]nuclear bombs[/B]..."
I love phrasing like that. Did you know 100% of people who consume water die at some point, or that it's a common component in solutions of face-melting acids?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51050859]You know

it's frankly full on disrepsectufl for you to go all thread ignoring everything anyone says, then you post what must be at least 30 hours worth of reading and video material, and you even preface some of them with [B]"I'll let you make up your own mind about this one"[/B] because this isn't about truth or reality to you, this is about being right, and being special.

I've seen the majority of your bullshit before when I used to believe in this stupid fucking conspiracy. Not one shred of it stands up to reason.[/QUOTE]It's essentially the same old wall of copypasta that gets posted every time.

[.𓃉𓁿𓂎𓁿𓃉.]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51050848]No, they wouldn't.

Things moving fast, that are hot, are malleable.

Any material. The temperatures we're talking about here are 800 degrees minimums, much hotter, reaching 1700 in the hottest areas. We're talking about a building made of malleable materials, having a ton of weight fall on it while it's hot, burning, and weakened, and you don't think this would fall down and pulverize itself?

Have you ever watched a high speed object hit something? Do you see that dust that comes out? Where was that dust before? You know where it was? It was the object. Getting vaporized and pulverized by speed and force because reality is punishing.[/QUOTE]

according to that article i posted, there actually were places where you could recognize individual floors, though in a far more compacted state, down in the basement of the WTC.

[OvB]

The burden of proof is on you, Barbarian. You need to respond with proofs of your claims rather than jumping from one outlandish, already proven wrong claim to another. You are not debating. You are not within the boundaries of scientific discussion. You are regurgitating bullshit claims that have been proven wrong time and time again and failing to back up your claims. By failing to back up claims and the debators getting tired of being ignored, you are not winning. You are failing. You have failed to prove your points when countless amounts of evidence have been throne at you. You cannot win a debate by doing this.

I'm trying to remain civil because arguing with brick walls is good practice, but you're making it very difficult.

[TheBloodyNine]

[QUOTE=geel9;51050368]Regardless of whether or not it was a conspiracy, I've seen people go "but what would they have to GAIN?"

Perhaps the single greatest excuse for the complete erosion of any sense of privacy granted to American citizens?[/QUOTE]

Then they went overkill seeing as they do this every thirty years. They completely illegalized Communism in the 20's and had witch hunts taking down any popular leftist author who criticized the war and that didn't require them tearing down the two most important buildings in New York City, barring perhaps the stock exchange.

And then this event also led to the complete mistrust of Americans in their government and most likely the whistleblower culture we have today.

So yeah they really didn't gain anything in that field for this.

[Sharo]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050470]And to anyone poo-pooing me for my formal education or lack thereof, I'd like to see your credentials, I'm not afraid to share mine.

Also neither are these people:
[url]http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html[/url][/QUOTE]

How about responding to posts and following through with your arguments instead?
It's really surreal to me that you'll knowingly ignore so many rebuttals to your posts - this is actually and genuinely unprecedented to me. I've witnessed many many internet arguments and never have I seen someone so blatantly and overtly abandon lost arguments and go on to pretend that they never lost it. That huge list of videos includes things that were directly discussed and absolutely debunked right here in this thread, directly to you.

Also I find it funny how incoherent your ideas are. So there were explosions as the building was coming down, and the building couldn't have fallen straight down because there would have been stacked floors, and also there was an explosion out of a window [I]before[/I] the collapse. Do you think they just haphazardly planted bombs all around the building and detonated some of them here and there at random? What do you think caused the absence of those floors you would have liked to see stacked or recognizable? I mean, the building [I]did collapse[/I], right?

[TheBloodyNine]

[QUOTE=Fourier;51050830]It's not like USA government did shitload of evil things before (on their own citizens) so they would gain more power.

And 9/11 makes lots of sense power-grab wise.[/QUOTE]

There is no precedent for any government in the history of Earth doing something like this in a grab of power. The closest thing I could even imagine would be Hitler taking power with the Reichstag Fire, and that didn't require killing several thousand Germans.

The US government isn't some hand rubbingly evil instution. It's made up of Human beings that can do shitty things but normally in the name of an ideal they feel outweighs it. Nobody in the US government went, "MUHAHAHA, WE SHALL KILL SEVERAL THOUSAND AMERICANS SO THAT WE CAN PUT WIRETAPS ON SUSPECTED CRIMINALS CARS! AHAHAHA!"

It makes absolutely no sense as a power-grab because it's going completely fucking overboard. It's not like there was no discussion on increasing security at the expense of some personal freedoms before 9/11.

[Hollywood SN]

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51050939]There is no precedent for any government in the history of Earth doing something like this in a grab of power. The closest thing I could even imagine would be Hitler taking power with the Reichstag Fire, and that didn't require killing several thousand Germans.

The US government isn't some hand rubbingly evil instution. It's made up of Human beings that can do shitty things but normally in the name of an ideal they feel outweighs it. Nobody in the US government went, "MUHAHAHA, WE SHALL KILL SEVERAL THOUSAND AMERICANS SO THAT WE CAN PUT WIRETAPS ON SUSPECTED CRIMINALS CARS! AHAHAHA!"

It makes absolutely no sense as a power-grab because it's going completely fucking overboard. It's not like there was no discussion on increasing security at the expense of some personal freedoms before 9/11.[/QUOTE]

Frankly the government is pretty shit at keeping secrets and they're super incompetent so i cant imagine how something of this scale would remain a secret.

[zukriuchen]

[QUOTE=OvB;51047967]This is going to be a fun thread.[/QUOTE]

my god, how right you were

[Squidman]

if there's one way to get guaranteed replies on Facepunch it's by holding laughably ignorant scientific views.

maybe Barbarian and flameon are just lonely and want people to talk to? I can empathize with that

[Sharo]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]
The below video is really strange, it shows the core columns of WTC1 still standing right after most of the building has disintegrated, and something... happens to them. I'll let you form your own opinion on this one.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06NKgMHJNlA[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050748]Below shows WTC2 coming down, notice the demolition flashes near the bottom of the frame, the squibs present far above the impact wound on the left side as well as the front just below the impact wound. And then... wait for it... wait for it... the ENTIRE upper section explodes in mid air sending a colossal piece of the facade flying outward emerging from the dust cloud at the last second. Skip to 4:35 for the collapse.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2qtU9ffvpA[/url][/QUOTE]

Like, what the hell are you seriously proposing here? You claim there are 'demolition flashes' that, presumably according to intention, cause the building to collapse. But then they go ahead and [I]detonate the entire top section[/I] as well, just for the heck of it? And then they go [I]"What's that? There's a spire still standing? General, how much more explosives are still in the building? Can you detonate the spire as well? I need the whole thing down. Yes that's an order."[/I]

[TheBloodyNine]

If they were going to blow up the twin towers why wouldn't they just blow up the twin towers and say terrorists planted explosives. Did the US government just really want to make people wait longer at airports? Is that evil America's ultimate goal? The destruction of carrying slightly larger bottles of liquid onto planes? How devious!

[Snowmew]

I have to give Barbarian a little credit for his effort in being a stubborn lunatic. Even [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=43251764#post43251764"]Gigabite[/URL] gave up.

But for fuck's sakes, at least with nuclear scaremongers, they kind of run out of material because, well, once you prove it's not fucking dangerous, there's nowhere else to go - that's the whole argument. 9/11 truthers just keep making stuff up and it never ends because their goal is to justify their belief that the government did it. If the government didn't do it one way, they must have done it another way. You'll never disprove their belief that the government did it in the same way that you can't disprove Russell's teapot. There are no goalposts to shift.

So I don't really see what the point is here.

[Nahash]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51050470]And to anyone poo-pooing me for my formal education or lack thereof, I'd like to see your credentials, I'm not afraid to share mine.

Also neither are these people:
[url]http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html[/url][/QUOTE]

People can be extremely educated but still be wrong about things. Look at Ben Carson; he is one of the best neurosurgeons in the world and he thinks that the Egyptian pyramids were used to store grain.

[EdvardSchnitz]

[QUOTE=Squidman;51050956]if there's one way to get guaranteed replies on Facepunch it's by holding laughably ignorant scientific views.

maybe Barbarian and flameon are just lonely and want people to talk to? I can empathize with that[/QUOTE]
There's better ways of talking with others than posting lunacy