15 Years Later: New Scientific Paper in Reputable Physics Journal Argues 9/11 Was An Inside Job - Polidicks

[QUOTE=OvB;51048400]This video is actually a much better explanation for the molten mess.[/QUOTE] My understanding is that molten aluminum appears silvery in daylight, not red, or orange or yellow at all. [IMG]http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2014/11/molten-aluminum-photo-01.jpg.662x0_q70_crop-scale.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048372]I read it, and I don't see how it "debunks" anything. Did I miss something? Isn't it just saying that there are no reliable sources and that bed springs and shit can partially melt? [editline]13th September 2016[/editline] Remember that news segment, i think it was CNN, where they were gawking at the "meteoroid"? was supposedly a huge fused mass of molten concrete and had a revolver embedded into it?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048397]sorry for shit quality, this is the only one i can find for now, it appears in higher definition in a lot of documentaries, i could do some more digging if you would like. [/QUOTE] Please go back to high school. I dont know if you dropped out or just didnt pay attention but please do yourself a favor and educate yourself.

[QUOTE=OvB;51048369]Oh yeah, and the paper also cites one of the authors previous articles about the same thing: [img]http://puu.sh/raEpN/dfe29371d3.png[/img][/QUOTE] to be fair most academic use some level of citation from their past research, and the citation in question was "Yet experiments have shown that molten aluminum, even when mixed with organic materials, has a silvery appearance—thus suggesting that the orange molten metal was instead emanating from a thermite reaction being used to weaken the structure" btw: loving this debate yall, loving it.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048427]My understanding is that molten aluminum appears silvery in daylight, not red, or orange or yellow at all. [IMG]http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2014/11/molten-aluminum-photo-01.jpg.662x0_q70_crop-scale.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] [t]http://cdn.peacefulcentury.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1157.jpg[/t] Nice try.

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51048422]Amazing sources from accredited scholars like "Investigate and Expose 9/11"[/QUOTE] uh, that's MSNBC, Brian Williams if I'm not mistaken. Not that he's credible but that's the same place you got your official conspiracy story of 19 muslims with indestructible passports and fireproof bandanas.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048427]My understanding is that molten aluminum appears silvery in daylight, not red, or orange or yellow at all. [IMG]http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2014/11/molten-aluminum-photo-01.jpg.662x0_q70_crop-scale.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] If it's hot enough it glows.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048435] Not that he's credible but that's the same place you got your official conspiracy story of 19 muslims with indestructible passports and fireproof bandanas.[/QUOTE] You mean light, flimsy objects that could be blown away from the wreckage before being ignited?

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51048432][t]http://cdn.peacefulcentury.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1157.jpg[/t] Nice try.[/QUOTE] When did I say it did? oh its you again, please dont beat me up, i wont ask anymore questions i promise

[QUOTE=27X;51048398]I've walked in both buildings. They were there. Blame. It's like living in a world without god. After being religious for your entire life. No safety net, no guaranteed get out of utter death card. The American way of life can't be altered forever by 40 muslims who've discovered an utterly unchecked and simple way to cause horrific amounts of death, it has to be an insidious pervasive milieu of ultimate power brokers determined to keep the world under their thumb. America can't be humbled by farmers and high school dropouts, it has to be evil supervillain engineers paid in raw gold bullion, because a world where 40 angry people can bring a nation to a standstill is a world where anybody can die at any time by simply being unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Also you get to be in the secret club of crusading good guys, whom save the world by sitting on your ass spouting echo chamber opinions, which much like outraged tumblry people is a pretty sweet gig that you don't actually have to put any time or effort into. The really sad thing is there are plenty of real conspiracies where people collude and screw shit up for everybody all the time, but since most of them are political or monetary in nature, apparently they aren't worth anyone's time. I mean we just had the DNC selection committee openly and blatantly collude to fuck over everyone in the race except Hilary, and nary a peep from truthers. That's actually how you know they're full of shit. Also hey look, a Flameon thread. Quel surprise.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/magazine/why-rational-people-buy-into-conspiracy-theories.html?_r=1[/url] [QUOTE]While psychologists can’t know exactly what goes on inside our heads, they have, through surveys and laboratory studies, come up with a set of traits that correlate well with conspiracy belief. In 2010, Swami and a co-author summarized this research in The Psychologist, a scientific journal. They found, perhaps surprisingly, that believers are more likely to be cynical about the world in general and politics in particular. Conspiracy theories also seem to be more compelling to those with low self-worth, especially with regard to their sense of agency in the world at large. Conspiracy theories appear to be a way of reacting to uncertainty and powerlessness. Economic recessions, terrorist attacks and natural disasters are massive, looming threats, but we have little power over when they occur or how or what happens afterward. In these moments of powerlessness and uncertainty, a part of the brain called the amygdala kicks into action. Paul Whalen, a scientist at Dartmouth College who studies the amygdala, says it doesn’t exactly do anything on its own. Instead, the amygdala jump-starts the rest of the brain into analytical overdrive — prompting repeated reassessments of information in an attempt to create a coherent and understandable narrative, to understand what just happened, what threats still exist and what should be done now. This may be a useful way to understand how, writ large, the brain’s capacity for generating new narratives after shocking events can contribute to so much paranoia in this country.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]“If you know the truth and others don’t, that’s one way you can reassert feelings of having agency,” Swami says. It can be comforting to do your own research even if that research is flawed. It feels good to be the wise old goat in a flock of sheep. Surprisingly, Swami’s work has also turned up a correlation between conspiracy theorizing and strong support of democratic principles. But this isn’t quite so strange if you consider the context. Kathryn Olmsted, a historian at the University of California, Davis, says that conspiracy theories wouldn’t exist in a world in which real conspiracies don’t exist. And those conspiracies — Watergate or the Iran-contra Affair — often involve manipulating and circumventing the democratic process. Even people who believe that the Sandy Hook shooting was actually a drama staged by actors couch their arguments in concern for the preservation of the Second Amendment.[/QUOTE] [url]https://conspiracypsychology.com/2016/06/06/the-great-columbia-conspiracy-why-trump-and-others-seem-to-contradict-themselves-on-obamas-past/#more-1298/[/url] [QUOTE]You’ll notice that these theories – bad student Obama, foreign student Obama, indoctrinated student Obama, non-student Obama – are not all compatible with one another. Maybe he was a foreign student with bad grades, but it’s not possible that Obama got bad grades at a university he was never a student at, or that he wasn’t admitted, but was also admitted as a foreign student, or never attended lectures at Columbia, but was radicalized by the left-wing lectures. But, somehow, every so often you see the contradictory theories being pushed by the same people. Trump’s friend and supporter, Wayne Allyn Root, seems to have provided the raw material for a lot of these theories: he thinks that Obama might have been registered at Columbia, but certainly never attended classes, but was also brainwashed by those classes. Trump suggests that Obama never went to Columbia – he “came out of nowhere” and none of his classmates remember him – but also finds it likely that his records from Columbia would show a foreign birthplace, if they haven’t been deleted. In a baffling tweet (even by Trump standards) he urged the hackers of the world, as long as they’re going around hacking stuff, to find out more. This fits into an established psychological pattern. In a study published in 2012, my colleagues and I showed that there tend to be positive correlations between beliefs in contradictory conspiracy theories. The more someone believes that Osama Bin Laden was dead long before 2011, the more they believe that he was still alive after the media pronounced him dead that year. The more someone believes that Princess Diana was killed by business enemies of Dodi Fayed’s family, the more they believe she was killed by the British secret service. And, probably, the more someone believes that Obama was never admitted to Columbia, the more they believe that he was admitted there as a foreign student. Why is this? Is it because people who buy into conspiracy theories are dumb and crazy? No, almost certainly not. It’s because the conspiracy theories are usually pretty vague and are based more on general suspicion than on specific evidence. If you’re suspicious that something is going on and that the truth is being covered up, then many different (and perhaps contradictory) alternatives will seem more likely. You can see this pattern arise in computational models of belief consistency.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048442] oh its you again, please dont beat me up, i wont ask anymore questions i promise[/QUOTE] Im pointing out your blatant bullshit. God damn just respond to one of my points. JUST ONE. Instead of scoffing it off as "ooh big bad science man with his FACTS and EVIDENCE and PICTURES."

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51048441]You mean light, flimsy objects that could be blown away from the wreckage before being ignited?[/QUOTE] hey, speaking of light, flimsy objects, did you know that a wooden telephone pole can cut through the wing of an aluminum airplane, yet massive steel box columns get a cartoon-like punchout hole when a plane hits them. Strange isn't it?

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048442]When did I say it did? oh its you again, please dont beat me up, i wont ask anymore questions i promise[/QUOTE] Hi, it appears that you missed my response here: [QUOTE=Headhumpy;51048436]If it's hot enough it glows.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048397]sorry for shit quality, this is the only one i can find for now, it appears in higher definition in a lot of documentaries, i could do some more digging if you would like. [video=youtube;1WWAnCd_6lg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WWAnCd_6lg[/video] go to 1:20 of the below video [video=youtube;8YaFGSPErKU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YaFGSPErKU[/video][/QUOTE] If the objects are still discernible (the 3 pancaked floors) then they were never molten. Molten implies the metal has liquefied. The objects in those videos were never molten. The pancaked floors make sense when you consider the intense heat, and force applied to them. The concrete one is probably a similar story. My turn: how do you install 60 tons worth of thermite charges in an extremely busy office building without anyone knowing, while making sure anyone ever involved in installing 60 tons worth of thermite, down to the van driver never talked about it? How do you conceal the detonation of 60 tons of thermite in a non-firey collapse down the length of the building? Why where there only sparks seen in one corner of the building which also happens to be the same corner where a mass of aircraft aluminum would collect and be well within melting range and also glow orange at such temperatures?

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51048033]I'm sorry if this is flaming but 9/11 brings out the loonies in my family and I've spent the last week doing nothing but debating every other person I see.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure nothing's flaming here until you outright call someone a dumbass instead of sarcastically saying "genius" or something.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048446]hey, speaking of light, flimsy objects, did you know that a wooden telephone pole can cut through the wing of an aluminum airplane, yet massive steel box columns get a cartoon-like punchout hole when a plane hits them. Strange isn't it?[/QUOTE] Christ what are you on about now? Gimme a picture or something so i can spoon feed your education to you.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51048445]Im pointing out your blatant bullshit. God damn just respond to one of my points. JUST ONE. Instead of scoffing it off as "ooh big bad science man with his FACTS and EVIDENCE and PICTURES."[/QUOTE] I do, it's you that doesn't respond to mine. I post a question, and you go off on how something being in a liquid state doesn't equate being in a molten state. yes i am aware of this.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048456]I do, it's you that doesn't respond to mine. I post a question, and you go off on how something being in a liquid state doesn't equate being in a molten state. yes i am aware of this.[/QUOTE] I posted a picture debunking you, fucking christ.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048442]When did I say it did? oh its you again, please dont beat me up, i wont ask anymore questions i promise[/QUOTE] Why are you being so aggressive? You're asking questions and people are answering them. Do you feel that Aaron is acting aggressively towards you or is hating on you because he is providing scientific evidence? You also never answered either of my questions. 1:If Aaron is the "science man" and presumably knows more about science than you do, then why don't you listen to him? 2:If you don't need sources to believe something, then what's wrong with my hologram theory? [QUOTE=Zyler;51048292]They were holograms obviously, the US government created the illusion of the twin towers and the planes and all of the people who ever supposedly entered the building were working for the government. It makes more sense than the controlled demolition theory because the government wouldn't need to destroy their own property and Silverstein wouldn't have taken a loss due to the tower's collapse (the insurance documents were obviously falsified, as a jewish business mogul silverstein was obviously working for the government too). All of the people who supposedly 'died' in the attack are just sitting on a beach in the bahamas right now on a paid vacation. Prove me wrong, I dare you.[/QUOTE]

Ever heard of "a picture speaks a thousand words"? That spoke for me, i didnt need to explain it to you. I thought, anyway.

I will never understand the appeal of wasting time calling anyone crazy. This is the lowest form of entertainment and the hallmark of someone who loves being a complete cunt. I think by that point every argument in favor of 9/11 being a false flag operation has already been heard, though. When I was little I expected the damn building to just tip over and not collapse on itself. Much surprise was had, but having a passenger plane cause this sort of damage doesn't seem otherworldly to me.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51048455]Christ what are you on about now? Gimme a picture or something so i can spoon feed your education to you.[/QUOTE] I did, you responded with what looks like another image of molten aluminum

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048463]I did, you responded with what looks like another image of molten aluminum[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? I posted that picture to debunk your claim that molten aluminum doesnt glow. Explain the wood pole cutting through aluminum and steel box cartoon punchout hole thing, i can explain it to you right fucking now, just show me what you mean.

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048456]I do, it's you that doesn't respond to mine. I post a question, and you go off on how something being in a liquid state doesn't equate being in a molten state. yes i am aware of this.[/QUOTE] I think what's happening is that Aaron is responding to your questions but you don't understand them because you aren't as knowledgeable about the science involved. Isn't that more likely than him just posting irrelevant things to annoy you?

Don't know why you guys are arguing about liquid vs molten. Anything that's molten is in the liquid state, doesn't mean it has to glow. However, if it's hot enough, as I said before, it glows due to the emission of thermal radiation.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51048469]What the fuck are you talking about? I posted that picture to debunk your claim that molten aluminum doesnt glow. Explain the wood pole cutting through aluminum and steel box cartoon punchout hole thing, i can explain it to you right fucking now, just show me what you mean.[/QUOTE] Why don't you go through one or a few of Barbarian's posts you responded to and explain yourself a bit more thoroughly?

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048446]hey, speaking of light, flimsy objects, did you know that a wooden telephone pole can cut through the wing of an aluminum airplane, yet massive steel box columns get a cartoon-like punchout hole when a plane hits them. Strange isn't it?[/QUOTE] Just respond to a fucking point holy shit. I'm still waiting for you to bash your head against the insurance claims again.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51048481]Why don't you go through one or a few of Barbarian's posts you responded to and explain yourself a bit more thoroughly?[/QUOTE] I'd rather not spend minutes typing out a lengthy explanation to a single point i've already given a quick summery to when i know the reply is going to be "yeah but what about [something easily explainable]!!!"

[QUOTE=OvB;51048369]Oh yeah, and the paper also cites one of the authors previous articles about the same thing: [img]http://puu.sh/raEpN/dfe29371d3.png[/img][/QUOTE] i mean, if we want to get technical, there were still standing parts [t]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130911083818-01-wtc-dust-0911-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg[/t] [img]http://www.techkings.org/attachments/latest-news/8882d1364651324t-world-trade-center-debris-will-sifted-sept-11-remains-911debris12.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/9-11-debris-2.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/05/article-2198838-14DAD0CA000005DC-787_640x465.jpg[/img] and if we really want to get technical, 9/11 was an inside job (indirectly), due to the fact that the mujahideen fighters the cia trained to fight the russians back in the 70s/80s passed that information down to future militants, including one osama bin laden, who then used it to strike back at the west. it wasn't a controlled demolition, it was physics and chemistry at their basic working points. when shit heats up, it becomes malleable. if there's weight on top of the malleable object, it will bend. simple as that.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51048476]Don't know why you guys are arguing about liquid vs molten. Anything that's molten is in the liquid state, doesn't mean it has to glow. However, if it's hot enough, as I said before, it glows due to the emission of thermal radiation.[/QUOTE] Right so this is a molten aluminium at a slightly cooler temperature [QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048427] [IMG]http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2014/11/molten-aluminum-photo-01.jpg.662x0_q70_crop-scale.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] While this is a molten aluminium at a slightly higher temperature [QUOTE=AaronM202;51048432][t]http://cdn.peacefulcentury.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/1157.jpg[/t] Nice try.[/QUOTE] Aluminum is solid at room temperature, becomes flexible at higher temperatures like in this video: [video=youtube;FzF1KySHmUA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA[/video] At a higher temperature than that it becomes a molten liquid but does not glow At an even higher temperature than even that it becomes a glowing molten liquid. Am I explaining this right?

[QUOTE=Barbarian887;51048446]hey, speaking of light, flimsy objects, did you know that a wooden telephone pole can cut through the wing of an aluminum airplane, yet massive steel box columns get a cartoon-like punchout hole when a plane hits them. Strange isn't it?[/QUOTE] No, not at all. Anything can cut through anything given enough speed. A feather will cut a diamond if you accelerate it enough. [editline]14th September 2016[/editline] That first molten aluminium picture is taken with a flash that overpowers the glow.