Dual source: Obama administration issuing new deepwater drilling ban - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ragy;23316746]Are you on drugs? The United States ≠ Norway or Canada. There's a reason we have been the top country.[/QUOTE] So when China becomes the world's number one superpower are you going to move there?

[QUOTE=James*;23317367]So when China becomes the world's number one superpower are you going to move there?[/QUOTE] I don't remember saying anything about moving...

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317365]As I've already said, those facts don't make a country any better than the other.[/QUOTE] Ok then, define better, because i'd say higher quality of life and per capita income and all make a place better. I sure would like to live longer with more money in a free-er country

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317391]I don't remember saying anything about moving...[/QUOTE] I'm guessing by 'top country' you meant most powerful. My point is that a country being the most powerful does not mean it's the best place to live.

Look on the bright side... I can thank obama for $6.00 a gallon gas prices. And people working on the rigs getting laid off. All good...

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23317401]Ok then, define better, because i'd say higher quality of life and per capita income and all make a place better. I sure would like to live longer with more money in a free-er country[/QUOTE] You just don't understand do you? What makes a country better is up to [B]you[/B]. While you care about quality of life, others may care about how a country acts. [editline]12:58AM[/editline] [QUOTE=James*;23317424]I'm guessing by 'top country' you meant most powerful. My point is that a country being the most powerful does not mean it's the best place to live.[/QUOTE] I did not define top county as being the most powerful, so your guess is completely wrong.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317443]You just don't understand do you? What makes a country better is up to [B]you[/B]. While you care about quality of life, others may care about how a country acts.[/QUOTE] I was talking about what is and not what people just think, but ok whatever. I still don't see how one could possibly forgo higher quality of life for... how a country acts? I don't even know what that means. If you mean how a country like the US acts, then goddamn that's a bad standard. EDIT: Like James said, you're being vague. I don't think you even really know why you think america is the best country.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317443]You just don't understand do you? What makes a country better is up to [B]you[/B]. While you care about quality of life, others may care about how a country acts. [/QUOTE] I'd say how good the quality of life is is a good sign of how a country acts.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317443]You just don't understand do you? What makes a country better is up to [B]you[/B]. While you care about quality of life, others may care about how a country acts. [editline]12:58AM[/editline] I did not define top county as being the most powerful, so your guess is completely wrong.[/QUOTE] Well as others have pointed out America is not top in any other way [editline]02:02AM[/editline] You're being purposely vague, I don't think you even know what you're saying

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317443]You just don't understand do you? What makes a country better is up to [B]you[/B]. While you care about quality of life, others may care about how a country acts. [editline]12:58AM[/editline] I did not define top county as being the most powerful, so your guess is completely wrong.[/QUOTE] I literally can not think of a single measure by which the United States would be considered the best country for something. Not one; and I live here, too.

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;23317507]I'd say how good the quality of life is is a good sign of how a country acts.[/QUOTE] Couldn't have said it any better myself.

You idiots just don't understand, America is the best because Ragy was born there.

We need the "Zing" rating back. [editline]03:07AM[/editline] Broke my automerge...

Relief wells is what should be done. My family's primary income is based off of the oil industry, I don't know what all the other families would do without it.

100 men blow up one oil rig because of recklessness let's stop the economy!

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317443]You just don't understand do you? What makes a country better is up to [B]you[/B]. While you care about quality of life, others may care about how a country acts. [/QUOTE] If we were to take your argument into account there would be no such thing as a better country, so your argument of the whole "There is a reason we are the top country" flies out the window. If looking at statistics, America is clearly not the best country out there.

The United States is the top country in [B]my[/B] opinion. The achievements which have been made, our economy, top medical research, opportunity, democracy, technology, freedom and rights, etc... It goes on. The United States has been the big kid on the block and will be for some time. It's all just a matter of opinion.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23317611]I literally can not think of a single measure by which the United States would be considered the best country for something. Not one; and I live here, too.[/QUOTE] It may well be the most ethnically/culturally diverse

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317695]The United States is the top country in [B]my[/B] opinion. The achievements which have been made, our economy, top medical research, opportunity, democracy, technology, freedom and rights, etc... It goes on. The United States has been the big kid on the block and will be for some time. It's all just a matter of opinion.[/QUOTE] Our economy? You mean the one that is about to collapse?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317695]The United States is the top country in [B]my[/B] opinion. The achievements which have been made, our economy, top medical research, opportunity, democracy, technology, freedom and rights, etc... It goes on. The United States has been the big kid on the block and will be for some time. It's all just a matter of opinion.[/QUOTE] Our economy is pretty much in the shitter, we don't rank highest on the Democracy Index, our technology level is laughable compared to countries like Singapore, we're getting increasingly xenophobic, so opportunity is going down (unless you mean just for WASPs), and again, we don't rank highest in ratings of freedom/rights levels. So no, it's not all a matter of opinion, at least not the things you listed.

We've seen irrefutable proof that the oil companies don't have a clue what they're doing and don't have any contingency plans that aren't 30 years old. Their party is over until they figure out how to drill safely.

[QUOTE=Egevened;23317640]100 men blow up one oil rig because of recklessness let's stop the economy![/QUOTE] So you would rather them do what, let them continue drilling new wellheads in a way that is risky? They aren't shutting down ongoing extractions or stopping already going rigs, they're stopping the drilling of new wells.

[QUOTE=Glaber;23313049]Blah[/QUOTE] You don't need to keep issuing two links per news posting. You're actually inadvertently acknowledging Fox New by showing that they're covering something just the same as a more liberal network. Amusing, given your attitude towards them. As for the topic itself, I don't agree with a drilling ban. This will just potentially shift [I]where[/I] the spills will happen, invariably still allowing for damage should another spill happen elsewhere. And really, I don't think it's a good idea further enslaving our fuel supply to another country. Think of the potential for abuse.

[QUOTE=OvB;23317161]Now that I think about it that would require two rigs for each well. Can you show me proof that the Canadians mandate this?[/QUOTE] I can't find an actual list of guidelines, but oil companies in Canada were petitioning the government for less regulation before the Gulf distaste, and one of the things they wanted was an abolishment of the "same-season relief well rule". [url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/arctic-drilling-faces-tougher-scrutiny/article1551603/]Here is my source[/url], end of 6th paragraph. This rule doesn't require a simultaneous relief well but it does require the company running the rig to be able to drill a relief well within the same season should a leak form. So basically, if a leak formed on the last day of the season and they didn't get it under control in 24 hours they'd face [b]gigantic[/b] fines. Keep in mind, this is for all offshore rigs. I'll keep hunting for any further regulations regarding deep-sea rights and I'll post them if I find them. My original source for the simultaneous relief well rule was CNN and it kind of looks like it was only a half-truth.

Each county has had its ups and downs. I love my country, you love yours.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23317748]So you would rather them do what, let them continue drilling new wellheads in a way that is risky? They aren't shutting down ongoing extractions or stopping already going rigs, they're stopping the drilling of new wells.[/QUOTE] Stopping the drilling of new wells, which is about 60-70 percent of the oil on earth I don't want to sound drastic but if we don't get enough oil we can forget the space age

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317804]Each county has had its ups and downs. I love my country, you love yours.[/QUOTE] Now you're not even making an argument. And I live in the United States, so... meh. I would honestly like to live in a European or Scandinavian country more, but I can't really move yet, so oh well.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23317748]So you would rather them do what, let them continue drilling new wellheads in a way that is risky? They aren't shutting down ongoing extractions or stopping already going rigs, they're stopping the drilling of new wells.[/QUOTE] Drilling is safe. Not acknowledging known warning signs isn't. There's a reason why the personal called the rig a doomsday rig. They knew they were doing it wrong, but they didn't care. Just because one rig is full of idiots willing to risk it all doesn't mean we should shut down the entire industry for 6 months. You need officials on the rig that can make sure the crew is doing the job properly and acting on all the warning signs that arise. Like having USDA officials in slaughterhouses to make sure proper techniques are used.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317695]The United States is the top country in [B]my[/B] opinion. The achievements which have been made, our economy, top medical research, opportunity, democracy, technology, freedom and rights, etc... It goes on. The United States has been the big kid on the block and will be for some time. It's all just a matter of opinion.[/QUOTE] No. "Best" of anything can not be declared based on opinion. It has to be quantifiable and there is nothing quantifiable that identifies the US as the best of very much.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23317840]Now you're not even making an argument. And I live in the United States, so... meh. I would honestly like to live in a European or Scandinavian country more, but I can't really move yet, so oh well.[/QUOTE] I've already stated my argument multiple times that it's about opinion. I love the United States because I simply love my nation. I am patriotic, you may not be, but I am.