Dual source: Obama administration issuing new deepwater drilling ban - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Egevened;23317809]Stopping the drilling of new wells, which is about 60-70 percent of the oil on earth I don't want to sound drastic but if we don't get enough oil we can forget the space age[/QUOTE] I agree, we would have gas prices in the 4.00-5.00 range as well.

[QUOTE=Egevened;23317809]Stopping the drilling of new wells, which is about 60-70 percent of the oil on earth I don't want to sound drastic but if we don't get enough oil we can forget the space age[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves[/url] How is this 60-70% of oil on Earth? How would the cessation of the drilling in the gulf result in the stoppage of the space program? [QUOTE=OvB;23317878]Drilling is safe. Not acknowledging known warning signs isn't. There's a reason why the personal called the rig a doomsday rig. They knew they were doing it wrong, but they didn't care. Just because one rig is full of idiots willing to risk it all doesn't mean we should shut down the entire industry for 6 months. You need officials on the rig that can make sure the crew is doing the job properly and acting on all the warning signs that arise. Like having USDA officials in slaughterhouses to make sure proper techniques are used.[/QUOTE] Unlike the poster above you, these are good and valid points. There probably is a better way to do this, they should have already been able to pass new legislation requiring more strict oversight of wells, rather than a six month moratorium.

I think much tighter regulations would be better, not outright banning, but i'm not as educated on the subject as the Obama administration

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317920]I've already stated my argument multiple times that it's about opinion. I love the United States because I simply love my nation. I am patriotic, you may not be, but I am.[/QUOTE] But your opinion was based off of quantifiable factors that didn't reflect your conclusion. I'm fine with saying "I love my country because I just do", it's a little odd but not arguable, but saying "I love my country because of blank blank and blank" and then saying it's opinion is just wrong. But anyways, Oil. Shit sucks huh?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23317920]I've already stated my argument multiple times that it's about opinion. I love the United States because I simply love my nation. I am patriotic, you may not be, but I am.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zeke129;23317881]No. "Best" of anything can not be declared based on opinion. It has to be quantifiable and there is nothing quantifiable that identifies the US as the best of very much.[/QUOTE] You may love your country but it isn't the best. Something is better than another just because you personally like it.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;23317792]I can't find an actual list of guidelines, but oil companies in Canada were petitioning the government for less regulation before the Gulf distaste, and one of the things they wanted was an abolishment of the "same-season relief well rule". [URL="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/arctic-drilling-faces-tougher-scrutiny/article1551603/"]Here is my source[/URL], end of 6th paragraph. This rule doesn't require a simultaneous relief well but it does require the company running the rig to be able to drill a relief well within the same season should a leak form. So basically, if a leak formed on the last day of the season and they didn't get it under control in 24 hours they'd face [B]gigantic[/B] fines. Keep in mind, this is for all offshore rigs. I'll keep hunting for any further regulations regarding deep-sea rights and I'll post them if I find them. My original source for the simultaneous relief well rule was CNN and it kind of looks like it was only a half-truth.[/QUOTE] Ah. Thanks for clearing that up. Technically ANY rig operating in deepwater could drill a relief well in the same season. That's technically what they did with the gulf spill. Thing is, a whole new problem occurs when your rig catches of fire and sinks. Then your SOL till you can get a new rig out there, Which BP had to do. In any case, drilling a relief well for any deepwater rig is going to take a few months. You have a lot of ground to cover.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23317979]But your opinion was based off of quantifiable factors that didn't reflect your conclusion. I'm fine with saying "I love my country because I just do", it's a little odd but not arguable, but saying "I love my country because of blank blank and blank" and then saying it's opinion is just wrong. But anyways, Oil. Shit sucks huh?[/QUOTE] My opinion was based off factors which I believe make a country better than the other. Your opinion is based off of completely different factors. That's why it an [B]opinion[/B]. You have your own opinion and I have mine. What do you not understand?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318078]My opinion was based off factors which I believe make a country better than the other. Your opinion is based off of completely different factors. That's why it an [B]opinion[/B]. You have your own opinion and I have mine. [B]What do you not understand?[/B][/QUOTE] Why we are fighting about who's better? It really doesn't matter. Who cares if we aren't the best. If you love your country good for you. That's great. I like the US too, now lets drop it.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318078]My opinion was based off factors which I believe make a country better than the other. Your opinion is based off of completely different factors. That's why it an [B]opinion[/B]. You have your own opinion and I have mine. What do you not understand?[/QUOTE] No my opinion is actually based off about the exact same factors. What do you not understand about the factors you proposed your opinion of the US being the best country being based on didn't support your opinion. You can't make a conflicting opinion out of quantifiable factors. All the factors you brought up are measurable, and when measured show the US at about 13th or so, not 1st.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318078]My opinion was based off factors which I believe make a country better than the other. Your opinion is based off of completely different factors. That's why it an [B]opinion[/B]. You have your own opinion and I have mine. What do you not understand?[/QUOTE] What factors are those? Until you present them, we can't take you seriously.

[QUOTE=Sergeant Turtle;23318145]What factors are those? Until you present them, we can't take you seriously.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Ragy;23317695]The United States is the top country in [B]my[/B] opinion. The achievements which have been made, our economy, top medical research, opportunity, democracy, technology, freedom and rights, etc... It goes on. The United States has been the big kid on the block and will be for some time. It's all just a matter of opinion.[/QUOTE]

All those achievements are what [B]I[/B] believe makes the United States the best. You care about life quality and crime, I don't. It's simple.

[QUOTE=Sir Muffin;23317754]You don't need to keep issuing two links per news posting. You're actually inadvertently acknowledging Fox New by showing that they're covering something just the same as a more liberal network. Amusing, given your attitude towards them.[/QUOTE] Stop right there, do you even know my attitude towards Fox News?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318206]All those achievements are what [B]I[/B] believe makes the United States the best. You care about life quality and crime, I don't. It's simple.[/QUOTE] :psyduck: First of all, you don't care about life quality and crime? And second, those factors MAKE UP life quality!

[QUOTE=Ragy;23316746]Are you on drugs? The United States ≠ Norway or Canada. There's a reason we have been the top country.[/QUOTE] bzzzt what is american exceptionalism?

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318206]All those achievements are what [B]I[/B] believe makes the United States the best. You care about life quality and crime, I don't. It's simple.[/QUOTE] You're digging yourself a very, very, very, VERY deep hole here son.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23318234]:psyduck: First of all, you don't care about life quality and crime? And second, those factors MAKE UP life quality![/QUOTE] I don't base a country largely on life quality and crime. The achievements we have made triumph that in my opinion. We may be going up a hill at the moment, but I don't love my country any less.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;23317956][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves[/URL] How is this 60-70% of oil on Earth? How would the cessation of the drilling in the gulf result in the stoppage of the space program? Unlike the poster above you, these are good and valid points. There probably is a better way to do this, they should have already been able to pass new legislation requiring more strict oversight of wells, rather than a six month moratorium.[/QUOTE] I'm glad you're giving me that but that is the current oil reserves and their distribution between countries, not how much oil is left at sea :)

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318302]I don't base a country largely on life quality and crime. The achievements we have made triumph that in my opinion. We may be going up a hill at the moment, but I don't love my country any less.[/QUOTE] The Third Reich made some good achievements (:godwin:) but that didn't make them great. How can you base the quality of a country in the here and now off of past achievements? And you still haven't reconciled that your factors all make up quality of life...

being American as well, I see how our country is not the best, it really is laziness and stupidity killing our reputation and what we used to be known for. Some achieved the American Dream along time ago. Now, imo, it's about stopping the people in the country who haven't, from achieving the dream just so we can have more then them. As for the Oil spill, it seems like this plan isn't going to be the best way of doing things at all.

seriously guys are we really discussing how brainwashed we are by our own homelands or actually debating the issue at hand

[QUOTE=Egevened;23318419]seriously guys are we really discussing how brainwashed we are by our own homelands or actually debating the issue at hand[/QUOTE] Discussing oil is boring, arguing is fun

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23318376]The Third Reich made some good achievements (:godwin:) but that didn't make them great. How can you base the quality of a country in the here and now off of past achievements? And you still haven't reconciled that your factors all make up quality of life...[/QUOTE] So you're comparing the Third Reich to the United States now? Great. There are many factors that make up the quality of life, including the big one population. Do I believe that the quality of life is the best way of determining a country? No. [editline]01:46AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23318444]Discussing oil is boring, arguing is fun[/QUOTE] True

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318463]So you're comparing the Third Reich to the United States now? Great. There are many factors that make up the quality of life, including the big one population. [editline]01:46AM[/editline] True[/QUOTE] That's cool and all that you can be so blindly patriotic, but the only thing it's doing is making you seem quite uneducated and stupid instead of your intentions

[QUOTE=Pandamox;23318491]That's cool and all that you can be so blindly patriotic, but the only thing it's doing is making you seem quite uneducated and stupid instead of your intentions[/QUOTE] I've already stated why I am patriotic about my country. Please read the thread first.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318463]So you're comparing the Third Reich to the United States now? Great. There are many factors that make up the quality of life, including the big one population. [editline]01:46AM[/editline] True[/QUOTE] Actually no, i'm using the two countries to illustrate why judging a country off of it's achievments doesn't give a whole/good picture of the country. No, the US isn't like the nazis, it's an overall nice place, but just not the best. And do you mean it factors in period, or factors in positively? Because yes it's a factor, overpopulation an lead to a decreased QOL, as can underpopulation in some cases. But all of the factors you listed (except opportunity which is kind of unquantifiable) factored in to QOL, which you say you weren't considering. EDIT: Goddamn 800 posts already. This is getting excessive.

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318511]I've already stated why I am patriotic about my country. Please read the thread first.[/QUOTE] Yes, and every single reason you stated is absolutely moronic. You're just being stupid at this point

[QUOTE=Ragy;23318511]I've already stated why I am patriotic about my country. Please read the thread first.[/QUOTE] I love the US a lot too. I was born in Canada and have duel citzenship. But I prefer the US. However, we have a lot of drawbacks. We are not the best. I can't explain why I love the US, that's just silly patriotism. But dude, holy shit you are digging yourself a hole deeper than the oil wells we should be talking about instead of this.

[QUOTE=Egevened;23318304]I'm glad you're giving me that but that is the current oil reserves and their distribution between countries, not how much oil is left at sea :)[/QUOTE] What are you even saying? The only claim I saw you make was that the gulf has 60-70% of all oil left on Earth, which is completely untrue. Fine, reserves are actually what's recoverable, sure, but if we're going to play that game, the Gulf holds even less of a percentage of the total oil. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Total_World_Oil_Reserves.PNG[/img] It's somewhere in the 30% marked out by total conventional reserves. You're making idiotic claims that unclear, untrue, and unprovable.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;23318517]Actually no, i'm using the two countries to illustrate why judging a country off of it's achievments doesn't give a whole/good picture of the country. No, the US isn't like the nazis, it's an overall nice place, but just not the best. And do you mean it factors in period, or factors in positively? Because yes it's a factor, overpopulation an lead to a decreased QOL, as can underpopulation in some cases. But all of the factors you listed (except opportunity which is kind of unquantifiable) factored in to QOL, which you say you weren't considering.[/QUOTE] Germany was a great country for their achievements, advances, and nationalism of their people, not for what they sadly did. There are factors which raise and lower quality of life. The United States may have achieved more, but you have a lower population and other factors which largely balance it out.