Arizona Governor doesn't want it's own lawyers to defend her - Polidicks

They're able to hide, because you idiots think asking to see ID because someone is part of the biggest illegal population is totally racist.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22246241]They're able to hide, because you idiots think asking to see ID because someone is part of the biggest illegal population is totally racist.[/QUOTE] I know dude, you seem to be the only sane one here. This law is only to be able to ask for proof of citizenship [B]after a crime has been committed[/B]. You steal a car, you kill a person, you break into a house. I'm pretty sure "racial profiling" is the least of your worries. We need better boarder control. I've heard stories of deportees crossing back into America in the very same day.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22246241]They're able to hide, because you idiots think asking to see ID because someone is part of the biggest illegal population is totally racist.[/QUOTE] You don't understand, it [i]is[/i] racist. That is the fucking definition of racism.

[QUOTE=Relys;22246338]We need better boarder control. I've heard stories of deportees crossing back into America in the very same day.[/QUOTE] ORRRR MAYBE, STICK WITH ME ON THIS ONE MAYBE, CRAZY IDEA RIGHT HERE MAYBE WE CAN HELP THEIR COUNTRY SUCK LESS, AND THEN MAYYYBE THEY WOULDN'T [B]WANT[/B] TO ILLEGALLY COME OVER :downs:

[IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/fegpz4.jpg[/IMG] [editline]05:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22246448]ORRRR MAYBE, STICK WITH ME ON THIS ONE MAYBE, CRAZY IDEA RIGHT HERE MAYBE WE CAN HELP THEIR COUNTRY SUCK LESS, AND THEN MAYYYBE THEY WOULDN'T [B]WANT[/B] TO ILLEGALLY COME OVER :downs:[/QUOTE] Ok, so lets invade mexico! :downs: It's none of our fucking business. This is why everyone hates Americans. We need to stop meddling in other countries affairs (see war on terrorism).

My IQ dropped a few points due to your Mspaint Why did I come on Facepunch today, god. I was learning how to read again now I am :downs: once more :saddowns:

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22246226]Oh god, you're so dumb. First point, it isn't a stereotype in a [b]BORDER state[/b], get your head out of your ass. [/QUOTE] :geno: uh ok, how how is it not a stereotype in a border state?

[QUOTE=Relys;22246703][IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/fegpz4.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] ahahaha, this is so dumb, you do know that reasonable suspicion can range from mostly anything even dumber? [url]http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/28/john-huppenthal/arizona-immigration-law-requires-police-see-crime-/[/url]

[QUOTE=JDK721v2;22243609]lol are you justifying racial profiling and violating civil liberties etc.[/QUOTE] civil liberties apply to citizens the law is enforcing legal immigration illegal immigrants =/= citizens argument does not compute

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22246874]ahahaha, this is so dumb, you do know that reasonable suspicion can range from mostly anything even dumber? [url]http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/28/john-huppenthal/arizona-immigration-law-requires-police-see-crime-/[/url][/QUOTE] Your point being? Police live for reasonable suspicion. Their job is to [B][I]prevent[/I][/B] crimes after all. I don't give a fuck what your skin color and nationality are. There's nothing wrong with questioning the citizenship of someone who has committed a felony or is acting suspiciously especially in a state with such high illegal immigration.

[QUOTE=Relys;22246955]Your point being? Police live for reasonable suspicion. Their job is to [B][I]prevent[/I][/B] crimes after all. I don't give a fuck what your skin color and nationality are. There's nothing wrong with questioning the citizenship of someone who has committed a felony.[/QUOTE] are you trolling

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;22245961]Unfortunately we'll have to keep arizona. They make good green tea. Texas we can keep because though a lot of them are stupid, some really fucking smart people come out of texas. also Texas is a huge supplier of silicon. [editline]12:44AM[/editline] In any other state, [b]you can't pull somebody over for doing nothing[/b]. Hell, even the LAPD won't pull some guy over for looking gangster, because they're not DOING anything[/QUOTE] facepalm'ed right there If you're stopped for doing something illegal you can be asked for your ID, not just out-of-the-blue. [editline]07:42PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;22246985]are you trolling[/QUOTE] funny [i]you[/i] should ask

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22246985]are you trolling[/QUOTE] I get that a lot. 1st guy: "Hey this guy has a different opinion than us. He doesn't seem to be changing his mind even after the numerous combinations of expletives we produced. Also, he isn't patriotic at all." 2nd guy: "Don't mind him man, he must be a troll." There seems to be a lot of confusion about this particular law and a lot of race cards being pulled out. :bandwagon:

[QUOTE=Relys;22246955]Your point being? Police live for reasonable suspicion. Their job is to [B][I]prevent[/I][/B] crimes after all. I don't give a fuck what your skin color and nationality are. There's nothing wrong with questioning the citizenship of someone who has committed a felony or is acting suspiciously especially in a state with such high illegal immigration.[/QUOTE] lots of police in arizona are against this law. They say it would waste their time. [editline]06:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Relys;22247065]I get that a lot. 1st guy: "Hey this guy has a different opinion than us. He doesn't seem to be changing his mind even after the numerous combinations of expletives we produced. Also, he isn't patriotic at all." 2nd guy: "Don't mind him man, he must be a troll." There seems to be a lot of confusion about this particular law and a lot of race cards being pulled out. :bandwagon:[/QUOTE] your reenactment is terrible. I haven't seen many expletives thrown in this thread. edit: went back and counted swears, there are two Great persecution complex there

[QUOTE=Lambeth;22247114]lots of police in arizona are against this law. They say it would waste their time. [editline]06:51PM[/editline] your reenactment is terrible. I haven't seen many expletives thrown in this thread.[/QUOTE] First off, that sounds like a good argument and should be looked into. I'm neither for or against this law. Whatever is the most viable solution for the police force should be chosen. I'm just not for pulling out the race card in argument against it... Secondly, I was talking about responses to my posts in general. It's not about persecution, it's about shrugging off someones stance on a political subject without presenting a strong counter-argument.

[QUOTE=Relys;22247065]I get that a lot. 1st guy: "Hey this guy has a different opinion than us. He doesn't seem to be changing his mind even after the numerous combinations of expletives we produced. Also, he isn't patriotic at all." 2nd guy: "Don't mind him man, he must be a troll." There seems to be a lot of confusion about this particular law and a lot of race cards being pulled out. :bandwagon:[/QUOTE] No, your arguments are extremely dumb and your comparison is as well. To say that police officers live for reasonable suspicion is dumb, they're there to enforce the law, not pre-emptively strike Reasonable suspicion is subjective and variable, I'm pretty sure a judge would take an officer's word over a civilian. [url]http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/28/john-huppenthal/arizona-immigration-law-requires-police-see-crime-/[/url] please read

[QUOTE=Relys;22246955]Your point being? Police live for reasonable suspicion. Their job is to [B][I]prevent[/I][/B] crimes after all. I don't give a fuck what your skin color and nationality are. There's nothing wrong with questioning the citizenship of someone who has committed a felony or is acting suspiciously especially in a state with such high illegal immigration.[/QUOTE] No, the police aren't there to prevent crimes, they're there to arrest when the law is broken. Their jurisdiction kicks in when a crime is being committed or when they have reasonable evidence to conclude that a crime has been committed. Preventing crimes is the job of the individual perpetrating and our education system and all that jazz and whatnot.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22247312][B]No, your arguments are extremely dumb and your comparison is as well.[/B] To say that police officers live for reasonable suspicion is dumb, they're there to enforce the law, not pre-emptively strike Reasonable suspicion is subjective and variable, I'm pretty sure a judge would take an officer's word over a civilian. [url]http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/28/john-huppenthal/arizona-immigration-law-requires-police-see-crime-/[/url] please read[/QUOTE] This is what I'm talking about Lambeth. Police live to prevent crimes as well to enforce the law. If an police officer sees something suspicious he's going to "check it out". It's not like they go around arbitrarily questioning citizens, although from what I read in the article this may be the case. So, sure I can see this law being abused. But this is a boarder state we're talking about. Obviously the boarder control is lacking and something has to be done. I encourage you to provide a better solution.

[QUOTE=Relys;22247467]This is what I'm talking about Lambeth. Police live to prevent crimes as well to enforce the law. If an police officer sees something suspicious he's going to look into it to prevent a crime from happening. It's not like they go around arbitrarily questioning citizens. Sure I can see this law being abused, maybe even more than other laws. But this is a boarder state we're talking about. Obviously the boarder control is lacking and something has to be done. I encourage you to provide a better solution.[/QUOTE] murder is a problem, texas has the highest murder rate in the entire country but has the highest death penalty as well. lets kill everyone found guilty on the spot, its a better solution than letting them rot in prison with our tax money right its not like its against the constitutions

[QUOTE=Relys;22247467]This is what I'm talking about Lambeth. Police live to prevent crimes as well to enforce the law. If an police officer sees something suspicious he's going to "check it out". It's not like they go around arbitrarily questioning citizens, although from what I read in the article this may be the case. So, sure I can see this law being abused. But this is a boarder state we're talking about. Obviously the boarder control is lacking and something has to be done. I encourage you to provide a better solution.[/QUOTE] Really Immigrant crime in general is low and has been low for a while. [editline]07:14PM[/editline] Fox News' claim that crime is soaring is just flat out wrong

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22247493]murder is a problem, texas has the highest murder rate in the entire country but has the highest death penalty as well. lets kill everyone found guilty on the spot, its a better solution than letting them rot in prison with our tax money right its not like its against the constitutions[/QUOTE] Because government execution is totally comparable to a questioner. "bu-bu-bu- teh constitutions!"

[QUOTE=Relys;22247545]Because government execution is totally comparable to a questioner. "bu-bu-bu- teh constitutions!"[/QUOTE] see what i did, i made a dumb comparison like you and gg mocking the constitution the fact is, the police officers has no right telling me to show my ID to him when I did noting wrong, the law literally says 'reasonable suspicion', but what you're not god damn getting is that reasonable suspicion is [b]subjective/variable[/b]. If a judge asks the police officer if he had any reasonable suspicion, the officer can make up all the bullshit he wants, and the judge would likely believe him because an officer's word is worth more than a mexican in a southern state.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22247619]the fact is, the police officers has no right telling me to show my ID to him when I did noting wrong, the law literally says 'reasonable suspicion', but what you're not god damn getting is that reasonable suspicion is [b]subjective/variable[/b]. [/QUOTE] In regards to this law yeah. It needs to be clearly defined what reasonable suspicion is in the context of this law. Otherwise you're at the mercy of the police, who may or may not be racist.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22247619]see what i did, i made a dumb comparison like you and gg mocking the constitution the fact is, the police officers has no right telling me to show my ID to him when I did noting wrong, the law literally says 'reasonable suspicion', but what you're not god damn getting is that reasonable suspicion is [b]subjective/variable[/b]. If a judge asks the police officer if he had any reasonable suspicion, the officer can make up all the bullshit he wants, and the judge would likely believe him because an officer's word is worth more than a mexican in a southern state.[/QUOTE] Please expand with an more viable solution or amendment to the law at question. Also, I don't get your last hypothetical situation. Who exactly is being harmed? If the officer has enough instances of misusing his discretion I'm sure the court will take his track record into consideration. So what if one guy gets so upset that he decides to take the Cop to court? As long as the cop is respectful and gives an apology for wasting their time (which should be minuscule if they have ID) I see nothing wrong.

[QUOTE=Relys;22247729]Please expand with an more viable solution or amendment to the law at question. Also, I don't get your last hypothetical situation. Who exactly is being harmed? If the officer has enough instances of misusing his discretion I'm sure the court will judge accordingly. So what if one guy gets so upset that he decides to take the Cop to court? As long as the cop is respectful and gives an apology for wasting their time I see nothing wrong.[/QUOTE] The individual who is being questioned and asked for ID simply because he's brown? USA is for being fair and equal buddy, the white people ain't gonna get this but the colored people sure will. And it is wrong, if the guy HAS to take the officer into court, it wastes [b]tax money[/b], and it's un-necessary. [b]He shouldn't have take someone who enforces the law into a court[/b].

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;22247493] lets kill everyone found guilty on the spot, its a better solution than letting them rot in prison with our tax money right[/QUOTE] yes [editline]08:29PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lolwutdude;22247793] USA is for being fair and equal buddy, the white people ain't gonna get this but the colored people sure will. [/QUOTE] White people don't jump the borders into the USA illegally

My parents did.

ITT: BURN THE CONSTITUTION AND TEAR DOWN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY No one seems to pay attention to either on a certain side of the argument, and is HAPPY to violate rights. Do you understand this? You're fucking HAPPY you're violating a humans rights. And for what? Their is no soaring crime rate from illegals, there is no such thing as stealing a job, you just can't handle another race in your country.

it was kinda funny actually they had to drive all the way to maryland with a BC license plate. They got tailed by the police a couple times, but they never got pulled over. [editline]07:43PM[/editline] yer a ninja maggot

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22248064]ITT: BURN THE CONSTITUTION AND TEAR DOWN THE STATUE OF LIBERTY No one seems to pay attention to either on a certain side of the argument, and is HAPPY to violate rights. Do you understand this? You're fucking HAPPY you're violating a humans rights. And for what? Their is no soaring crime rate from illegals, there is no such thing as stealing a job, you just can't handle another race in your country.[/QUOTE] It doesn't really matter, it's illegal. We all know how hard it is to become a citizen, and the same people that support this law (on facepunch) also support making citizenship easier. We aren't being bigots like you think, we want them to get in legally, but we know they can't. Whether it's a victimless crime or not is irrelevant, they are illegal.