Arizona Governor doesn't want it's own lawyers to defend her - Polidicks

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248539]a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. it's one step down from communism and it's about big government controlling big industry, yet enforcing the law is oppressive[/QUOTE] Democratic socialism =/= socialism dipshit.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22248544]Ever heard of prohibition? Black markets? The Drug war? No prohibition works, and drugs like coke or heroin most certainly aren't as bad for you as you think they are.[/QUOTE] nobody ever gets hurt doing drugs, life is fine and nothing is wrong with the world

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248568]nobody ever gets hurt doing drugs, life is fine and nothing is wrong with the world[/QUOTE] what are you doing stop dodging the point

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22248564]Democratic socialism =/= socialism dipshit.[/QUOTE] socialism and socialism are two completely different things, maaan

[QUOTE=cornndog;22248405]Can you get me a reliable source on that?[/QUOTE] Ok, I was wrong, but they do pay taxes. Quite a lot actually. [url=http://mediamatters.org/research/201005020006]At least 13 billion is paid in social security taxes[/url]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22248599]what are you doing stop dodging the point[/QUOTE] coke and heroin

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22248482]Civil rights violations and racial profiling most definitely are. They're just don't affect you because you're an empathetical privileged white boy.[/QUOTE] was i supposed to be offended by that

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248605]socialism and socialism are two completely different things, maaan[/QUOTE] Alright, this guy is beyond thick.

Cccritical, are you a CriticalThought alt?

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248568]nobody ever gets hurt doing drugs, life is fine and nothing is wrong with the world[/QUOTE] Totally my point. Alcohol? NO ONE DIES FROM A LEGAL SUBSTANCE!? You fucking dipshit, heroin does as much damage to the body on average as alcohol, yet alcohol is legal? Cocaine isn't super addictive, or super destructive, its illegal? Marijuana cant kill you and does very little damage to your body, its illegal. What? Don't get it? Fact is, you're arguing that prohibition works, and is what is needed. It is never going to work, and never has, and it is never what is needed. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - TH89))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22248620]was i supposed to be offended by that[/QUOTE] You were supposed to realize that just because your rights aren't being violated doesn't mean you should ignore it. If you truly support your country you should be fighting for equality for all.

[QUOTE=Gummylamb;22242840]It "makes sense" when you live in a place where A LOT OF people are illegal immigrants, try thinking about the condition of border states for a second.[/QUOTE] I live in a border state. My high school was over 50% hispanic. It's fine here thanks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22248637]Totally my point. Alcohol? NO ONE DIES FROM A LEGAL SUBSTANCE!? You fucking dipshit, heroin does as much damage to the body on average as alcohol, yet alcohol is legal? Cocaine isn't super addictive, or super destructive, its illegal? Marijuana cant kill you and does very little damage to your body, its illegal. What? Don't get it? Fact is, you're arguing that prohibition works, and is what is needed. It is never going to work, and never has, and it is never what is needed.[/QUOTE] What the fuck pro-drug propaganda have you been watching? Cocaine isn't addictive OR destructive?

Well, in all honesty the war on drugs has created nothing but cartels to finance underground operations run by local gangs, tare families apart and ruin children's futures, and provide incentive for suppliers to find new ways to create more potent drugs resulting in more drug related deaths. Just look at the prohibition during the 1920's. The huge hike in price just barely cuts the supply demanded.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22248642]You were supposed to realize that just because your rights aren't being violated doesn't mean you should ignore it. If you truly support your country you should be fighting for equality for all.[/QUOTE] equality for all citizens, just fill out some paperwork, pass a test, wait a while and you're in. If not, get the fuck out.

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248666]What the fuck pro-drug propaganda have you been watching? Cocaine isn't addictive OR destructive?[/QUOTE] Not more so than alcohol.

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248682]equality for all citizens, just fill out some paperwork, pass a test, wait a while and you're in. If not, get the fuck out.[/QUOTE] Ignorance is bliss, no? [img_thumb]http://reason.com/assets/db/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad.jpg[/img_thumb] Click it, zoom in, read it

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248682]equality for all citizens, just fill out some paperwork, pass a test, wait a while and you're in. If not, get the fuck out.[/QUOTE] Becoming a US Citizen takes years, and more money than most immigrants have.

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248666]What the fuck pro-drug propaganda have you been watching? Cocaine isn't addictive OR destructive?[/QUOTE] not as much as meth

[QUOTE=cccritical;22248682]equality for all citizens, just fill out some paperwork, pass a test, wait a while and you're in. If not, get the fuck out.[/QUOTE] It's not...that easy at all

[QUOTE=Relys;22248681]Well, in all honesty the war on drugs has created nothing but cartels to finance underground operations run by local gangs, tare families apart and ruin children's futures, and provide incentive for suppliers to find new ways to create more potent drugs resulting in more drug related deaths. Just look at the prohibition during the 1920's. The huge hike in price just barely cuts the supply demanded.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Prohibition, which is what the war on drugs is, doesn't work, and never will.

"Cocaine isn't super addictive, or super destructive," Yes it is

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22248710]Ignorance is bliss, no? [img_thumb]http://reason.com/assets/db/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad.jpg[/img_thumb] Click it, zoom in, read it[/QUOTE] We're a government system, not a charity. Do we really want more unskilled unemployed citizens in our country [B]REGARDLESS OF THEIR SKIN COLOR OR NATIONALITY[/B]? The unemployment rate is already as high enough as it is, and I'm sure we'll see symptoms of stagflation when banks get confident enough to inject the stimulus money that's sitting in their vaults.

[QUOTE=Relys;22248821]We're a government system, not a charity. Do we really want more unskilled unemployed citizens in our country [B]REGARDLESS OF THEIR SKIN COLOR OR NATIONALITY[/B]? The unemployment rate is already as high enough as it is, and I'm sure we'll see symptoms of stagflation when banks get confident enough to inject the stimulus money that's sitting in their vaults.[/QUOTE] Not the point, I was responding to Mr. "GET IN LINE". And full disclosure: I'm not American but I'm familiar with your constitution

...and the thread just dies

[QUOTE=cccritical;22249064]...and the thread just dies[/QUOTE] It's only been 15 minutes since the last post. Are you trying to draw attention away from the fact that Zeke made you look like a fool

15 minutes is quite a bit of time

[QUOTE=Zeke129;22248323]It actually is. I said that sodomy is illegal in some states due to old laws. You said that "illegal is illegal". Earlier, you said that illegal acts must be punishable because they're illegal.[/QUOTE] What all you talking about, Sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional in 2003 by the U.S. supreme court meaning the 13 remaining states who still had the law on the book had to remove it. [editline]02:11AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;22248710]Ignorance is bliss, no? [img_thumb]http://reason.com/assets/db/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad.jpg[/img_thumb] Click it, zoom in, read it[/QUOTE] I've seen it hundreds of time, however, I want to the same chart made based on the laws in ether Germany, France, the UK, Japan or Mexico for a comparison. [editline]02:18AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;22248608]Ok, I was wrong, but they do pay taxes. Quite a lot actually. [url=http://mediamatters.org/research/201005020006]At least 13 billion is paid in social security taxes[/url][/QUOTE] But how much do they drain from using services? That Also still, it says 3 to 6 million of them do not pay Taxes. Also why do they have sales tax included? In order to buy anything you HAVE to pay that, it isn't like they can skirt around it. Meanwhile, I'm all for allowing the Immigrants found paying Taxes to be given residency status as long as they haven't been found violating additional laws.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;22251876] But how much do they drain from using services?[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States]looking at wikipedia[/url], the biggest drain is in education.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;22252262][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States]looking at wikipedia[/url], the biggest drain is in education.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household[/QUOTE] Isn't Education on the State Level? This shows a Deficit on the Federal Level