Swedish artist makes painting from remains of Holocaust victims - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TH89;38729652]If we want to talk about symbolism, there is some incredibly fucked up symbolism at play here. It represents the suffering a people who are not his people, who have been historically dehumanized, particularly in the Holocaust. The Nazis literally turned their bodies into soap and sold it. Apparently because he visited a memorial once and it made him sad that gives him the right to turn their bodies into art supplies. Like, seriously, if your family was murdered and some jumped-up little shit with no connection to you or them stole their remains and made shitty art with them? It's mind-bogglingly disrespectful[/QUOTE] Nazis turning bodies into soap to sell is folklore.

I could never have that hanging on the wall without having nightmares

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;38729640]maybe people will stop shitting on shit when it stops being shitty[/QUOTE] It's retarded to think that art can only be pictorial or "pretty" to be good (also subjective etc etc).

who cares

[QUOTE=Blazyd;38729637]I'd be interested. and it's not so much should be considered "artwork" but more for representing the thought that in that picture frame are ashes of what used to be a human being I've also heard stories about a human lampshade from the Holocaust that supposedly is made from human skin. [t]http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/exposure/content/photo/photo/57457_fragile-travel_u4otpkuoohegc34cxym6cgqbe3ncurxrbvj6lwuht2ya6mzmafma_610x457.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Didn't Ed Gein do that sort of stuff?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38729693]well yea i wouldn't say it's meant to be pretty symbolism, just thought provoking symbolism. and what you said is completely valid.[/QUOTE] The point is he [i]does not have the right[/i] to exploit this human tragedy for the purpose of being "thought provoking The fact that he's all weepy about how it made HIM feel to see the ashes at the museum, without giving the slightest bit of thought to how the actual families of the victims might feel about him doing what he did, shows how little thought he's truly given to the humanity of these people.

[QUOTE=demoguy08;38729706]You'd dislike [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Worlds]Body Worlds.[/url][/QUOTE] oh jesus why :( [img]http://www.biologycorner.com/anatomy/bodyworlds/bodyworlds_guitar.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=demoguy08;38729706]You'd dislike [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Worlds]Body Worlds.[/url][/QUOTE] [quote]All whole body plastinates exhibited in Body Worlds come from donors who gave informed consent via a unique body donation program.[/quote] not the same.

[QUOTE=Lamar;38729711]Nazis turning bodies into soap to sell is folklore.[/QUOTE] [quote]Testimony was given both by Nazis and by British prisoners of war about the development of an industrial process for producing soap from human bodies, the production of such soap on a small-scale basis, and the actual use of this soap by Nazi personnel at the Danzig Anatomic Institute.[5][6][15][/quote]

Vad I helvete?

[QUOTE=demoguy08;38729706]You'd dislike [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Worlds"]Body Worlds.[/URL][/QUOTE] I've been to one of those exhibitions. It was immensely interesting. I held a human brain.

[QUOTE=TH89;38729739]..[/QUOTE] [quote]Himmler himself was disturbed by the rumors that bodies of Jews were being used for soap and/or fertilizer, since the Nazis' extermination plans demanded strict secrecy. On November 30, 1942, after Rabbi Stephen Wise mentioned the soap rumors to the press in New York City on November 24, Himmler wrote to Heinrich Müller, head of the Gestapo: In view of the large emigration movement of Jews, I do not wonder that such rumors come to circulate in the world. We both know that there is present an increased mortality among the Jews put to work. You have to guarantee to me that the corpses of these deceased Jews are either burned or buried at each location, and that absolutely nothing else can happen with the corpses at any location. Conduct an investigation immediately everywhere whether any kind of misuse [of corpses] has taken place of the sort as listed in point 1, probably strewn about in the world as a lie. Upon the SS-oath I am to be notified of each misuse of this kind. [16][/quote] [url]http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/soap02.html[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses[/url] [quote]Holocaust survivor Thomas Blatt, who investigated the subject, found little concrete documentation and no evidence of mass production of soap from human fat, but concluded that there was evidence of experimental soap making.[14] Danzig was the German name of the now-Polish city of Gdańsk.[/quote] They've made soap out of prisoners before, but it wasn't on the scale people have continually made it out to be and certainly wasn't in the scale that they were selling it.

[QUOTE=TH89;38729727]The point is he [i]does not have the right[/i] to exploit this human tragedy for the purpose of being "thought provoking The fact that he's all weepy about how it made HIM feel to see the ashes at the museum, without giving the slightest bit of thought to how the actual families of the victims might feel about him doing what he did, shows how little thought he's truly given to the humanity of these people.[/quote] everyone exploits human tragedy. [img]http://farm1.staticflickr.com/173/465766601_e6e602eee4.jpg[/img] is this sculpture offensive because it depicts something that the artist never personally went through? is it wrong to create a tribute to something that impacted you emotionally?

Look back in history at the world's reaction to art. Whitman, for example. The elitist poets thought his poems that appealed to and represented the ble collar worker were "vile" and "punctuation as loose as his morality." A negative backlash towards an artist that many uphold as being a very inspirational human today. Now look at how you guys are reacting to this modern artist's work. It was made to incite reactions, and did just that. "Fucked up" and "disrespectful" are the reactions he was hoping for.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38729930]everyone exploits human tragedy. [IMG]http://farm1.staticflickr.com/173/465766601_e6e602eee4.jpg[/IMG] is this sculpture offensive because it depicts something that the artist never personally went through? is it wrong to create a tribute to something that impacted you emotionally?[/QUOTE] Is that sculpture made out of the ashes of non-consenting victims of genocide?

[QUOTE=jaykray;38729961]Is that sculpture made out of the ashes of unconsenting victims of genocide?[/QUOTE] it doesn't matter

Dunno man, I still think taking someone else's relatives corpses from a horrible tragedy to express yourself with is quite different from using normal means to express something tragic.

at least not for the point im trying to make

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38729973]it doesn't matter[/QUOTE] Why does it not matter?

[QUOTE=jaykray;38729986]Why does it not matter?[/QUOTE] because it is exploitive either way. the artist is using the tragedy of someone else to make something thought provoking, which th89 said this artist has no right to do. [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] the fact the painting is made from ashes of holocaust victims is simply a method, versus an actual message or symbol.

I agree with him that he has no right to do it. It's basically grave desecration.

[QUOTE=salty peanut v2;38729379]if it was an actual painting that depicted something meaningful and relevant I'd probably have no problem with it, but that is quite literally just a fucking rectangle[/QUOTE] god this is so fucking stupid clearly the issue isn't that he used the remains of holocaust victims to make art he'll likely profit from, the real tragedy here is that you don't like modern art

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38730008]because it is exploitive either way. the artist is using the tragedy of someone else to make something thought provoking, which th89 said this artist has no right to do. [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] the fact the painting is made from ashes of holocaust victims is simply a method, versus an actual message or symbol.[/QUOTE] Depicting a tragedy and using bodies from said tragedy are quite different

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38730117]Depicting a tragedy and using bodies from said tragedy are quite different[/QUOTE] then your not actually reading what i just posted

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38729973]it doesn't matter[/QUOTE] would you say the same if it was an intact corpse of a holocaust victim?

That would've been radical if it only conveyed some kind of message beside 'LOOK AT THIS CANVAS THERE'S HOLOCAUST VICTIMS ON IT! LITERALLY!' I'm no fine art connoisseur but that piece looks nothing phenomenal.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;38729943]Look back in history at the world's reaction to art. Whitman, for example. The elitist poets thought his poems that appealed to and represented the ble collar worker were "vile" and "punctuation as loose as his morality." A negative backlash towards an artist that many uphold as being a very inspirational human today. Now look at how you guys are reacting to this modern artist's work. It was made to incite reactions, and did just that. "Fucked up" and "disrespectful" are the reactions he was hoping for.[/QUOTE] That's clearly not what he was going for, based on what he's said about it. He's just a self-absorbed fool. The only thing he's doing is demonstrating how some people still don't have an appropriate degree of respect for victims of genocide. How you can possibly compare Whitman to a grave robber is beyond me. How far are you willing to go with this? If a guy went out and beat people up and filmed it, would you defend it as art intended to provoke a reaction? Seriously just because something is art doesn't make it defensible or worthy of respect or tolerance.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38730139]then your not actually reading what i just posted[/QUOTE] No I did and my point still stands. If anything this piece is actually offensive as he's treating peoples remains as something to be used, similar to how the Nazis used people.

To be honest, whilst it's incredibly disrespectful of him to just go and do that, I can't help feeling that if I died like that I'd rather be remembered in a piece of art (no matter how simple) than left in the oven I was killed in

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38730177]No I did and my point still stands. If anything this piece is actually offensive as he's treating peoples remains as something to be used, similar to how the Nazis used people.[/QUOTE] but you can make that claim about any type of art that depicts tragedy.