Swedish artist makes painting from remains of Holocaust victims - Polidicks

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;38729943]Look back in history at the world's reaction to art. Whitman, for example. The elitist poets thought his poems that appealed to and represented the ble collar worker were "vile" and "punctuation as loose as his morality." A negative backlash towards an artist that many uphold as being a very inspirational human today. Now look at how you guys are reacting to this modern artist's work. It was made to incite reactions, and did just that. "Fucked up" and "disrespectful" are the reactions he was hoping for.[/QUOTE] he wasn't going for "fucked up" and "disrespectful", he's just an edgy overzealous artist trying to use the ashes of holocaust victims to try and make his mediocre art seem "deep" and "meaningful". all of the symbolism in his art lies in the fact that its made out of holocaust victims, but he definitely wasn't trying to make himself look like a nonce, that was just a side effect

the act of taking the ashes without the person's consent is inexcusable, but that isn't necessarily representative of the message of the painting.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38730189]but you can make that claim about any type of art that depicts tragedy.[/QUOTE] not literally

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38730189]but you can make that claim about any type of art that depicts tragedy.[/QUOTE] the point isn't the fact that he's "exploiting tragedy", it's that he is using the remains of holocaust victims as his medium which is basically desecration. there's a difference between a statue of a holocaust victim and a victim's corpse dipped in copper.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38730189]but you can make that claim about any type of art that depicts tragedy.[/QUOTE] No because they aren't using actual peoples bodies. Why is this so hard to understand?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38730214]the point isn't the fact that he's "exploiting tragedy", it's that he is using the remains of holocaust victims as his medium which is basically desecration. there's a difference between a statue of a holocaust victim and a victim's corpse dipped in copper.[/QUOTE] ok well im talking about where th89 said that it was exploiting tragedy that wasnt his to exploit or w/e. im not gonna argue about whether it's right or wrong to take ashes to use to paint.

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38730214]the point isn't the fact that he's "exploiting tragedy", it's that he is using the remains of holocaust victims as his medium which is basically desecration. there's a difference between a statue of a holocaust victim and a victim's corpse dipped in copper.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I doubt the victims care very much.

What is it with swedish women when it comes to skeletons these days? 2spooky to live here

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730269]To be honest, I doubt the victims care very much.[/QUOTE] True, but the same can't be said for the people who mourn them

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730269]To be honest, I doubt the victims care very much.[/QUOTE] What about their families?

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730269]To be honest, I doubt the victims care very much.[/QUOTE] haha!!! good one LOL! ignoring your shitty jokes victims families and holocaust survivors and their families definitely do care

[QUOTE=jaykray;38730292]What about their families?[/QUOTE] I think we as a society tend to be too protective of our dead. Why do you care, you were just going to stick him or her in the ground. [sp]For the record, when I'm dead, you all have my permision to fuck the body.[/sp]

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[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730350]I think we as a society tend to be too protective of our dead. Why do you care, you were just going to stick him or her in the ground. [sp]For the record, when I'm dead, you all have my permision to fuck the body.[/sp][/QUOTE] Yeah but just because you don't care what happens to you when you're dead doesn't mean everyone shares the same world view, a lot of people do all sorts of things so that there's something of them when they die such as fancy tombs and stuff. Why are people suddenly not allowed to care about what happens to them when they die?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38730401]Why are people suddenly not allowed to care about what happens to them when they die?[/QUOTE] You're dead; what happens to your body in no way affects you because you now have a bigger issue.

[QUOTE=FoneJack;38730393] I know art is a subjective term.[/QUOTE] take another look at your post and reconsider. edit: okay you just snipped it, good job.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38729973]it doesn't matter[/QUOTE] It most certainly does. There's a difference between making art about a tragedy and making art from a tragedy.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730350]I think we as a society tend to be too protective of our dead. Why do you care, you were just going to stick him or her in the ground. [sp]For the record, when I'm dead, you all have my permision to fuck the body.[/sp][/QUOTE] oh so you're one of those annoying nerds that substitutes actual logical argument with stupid shit comedians say

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730416]You're dead; what happens to your body in no way affects you because you now have a bigger issue.[/QUOTE] Well it kind of does because some people spend a lot of time creating something that well last beyond their death. You could use "oh well when you're dead nothing will matter" to justify a whole host of bullshit. You could use that exact same argument to invalidate anything someone does in their life.

I once sent a framed "Poopsmear on Paper" piece that I made to the Vancouver Art Gallery. They told me that if I came into the building again they would call the police. How do these people go from unknown artist status to making millions for a poorly painted rectangle?

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38730452]oh so you're one of those annoying nerds that substitutes actual logical argument with stupid shit comedians say[/QUOTE] the point he's making is that no one actually suffers due to this

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38730452]oh so you're one of those annoying nerds that substitutes actual logical argument with stupid shit comedians say[/QUOTE] >You are dead >You cannot know >You are unaware that a man is having sex with your corpse >No one is harmed seems like pretty good logic to me!

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;38730479]the point he's making is that no one actually suffers due to this[/QUOTE] which is a shitty point because the family suffers emotionally [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Patriarch;38730484]>You are dead >You cannot know >You are unaware that a man is having sex with your corpse >No one is harmed seems like pretty good logic to me![/QUOTE] >Family is alive >This isn't 4chan u mong [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] guess it was a bit much to expect someone with a hentai avatar to be decent or well adjusted in any capacity [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=MIPS;38730478]I once sent a framed "Poopsmear on Paper" piece that I made to the Vancouver Art Gallery. They told me that if I came into the building again they would call the police. How do these people go from unknown artist status to making millions for a poorly painted rectangle?[/QUOTE] because they cut their hair

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730484]>You are dead >You cannot know >You are unaware that a man is having sex with your corpse >No one is harmed seems like pretty good logic to me![/QUOTE] You will eventually be dead, thus if I raped you it wouldn't matter because eventually nothing will matter because you'll eventually be dead

[QUOTE=Kopimi;38730486]>Family is alive[/QUOTE] And? Society shouldn't support the idea that we should treat bodies with respect; it's a waste of money, time and emotions. [QUOTE=Kopimi;38730486]>This isn't 4chan u mong[/QUOTE] >mfw [QUOTE=carcarcargo;38730535]You will eventually be dead, thus if I raped you it wouldn't matter because eventually nothing will matter because you'll eventually be dead[/QUOTE] There is a difference between raping someone who is alive, and so can feel, and raping a dead body.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730545]And? Society shouldn't support the idea that we should treat bodies with respect; it's a waste of money, time and emotions. [/QUOTE] Oh god we have a sociopath on our hands

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730545]And? Society shouldn't support the idea that we should treat bodies with respect; it's a waste of money, time and emotions.[/QUOTE] literally no wasted money and the time/emotions are the families to waste

[QUOTE=Patriarch;38730545] There is a difference between raping someone who is alive, and so can feel, and raping a dead body.[/QUOTE] No there isn't, you'll be dead eventually and none of it will matter, thus nothing you do while you're alive matters either.

I hope that when I die, My body will used to benefit someone else's life. Weather it be a life-saving organ transplant to a piece of art, I just hope somebody benefits from my death.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38730557]Oh god we have a sociopath on our hands[/QUOTE] "Emotions are for the weak. It is natural selection if you commit suicide due to depression. Humans must overcome this crutch if they are ever to evolve. I am your messiah" [editline]6th December 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Patriarch;38730545]And? Society shouldn't support the idea that we should treat bodies with respect; it's a waste of money, time and emotions. >mfw There is a difference between raping someone who is alive, and so can feel, and raping a dead body.[/QUOTE] tbh its just a waste of time, money and emotions for rape to be illegal. it feels good anyway so just deal with it if someone rapes you or your mother. people need to learn to get over it