[QUOTE=Trotsky;18757615]perhaps you haven't noticed what a mess Iraq is. [/QUOTE]
So you blame the soldiers who are just following orders.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;18757781]So you blame the soldiers who are just following orders.[/QUOTE]
we all know with you heading this it's gonna go nowhere so don't even
[QUOTE=mastermaul;18757781]So you blame the soldiers who are just following orders.[/QUOTE]
Since WW2, American caused casulties of civilians has risen to 90%
according to the Lancet survey, there has been 700,000 direct deaths of civilians.
and far over a million indirect deaths caused by American's.
Just following orders?
I think this fits
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezFq9jpzNik&feature=related[/media]
just because you were ordered, doesn't make you a good person.
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godwin all you want, but Rod Serling fits here
It's called collateral damage. The only instance that troops would be ordered to directly fire upon obviously unarmed civilians would be if the CO was a complete lunatic. And I don't think every bread and butter NCO wears tinfoil under the strap of his helmet.
It's not collateral damage, it's the reality of modern warfare.
The statistics show otherwise you tool.
I'm really glad that bill didn't pass. :patriot:
Ok, so you blame someone for not avoiding the unavoidable?
We aren't shooting a bunch of sharply dressed, well equipped regulars with a flag on their shoulder. We're trying to eliminate a bunch of people dressed exactly like the people around them. You don't know who does and who doesn't have a gun, and even then he could be someone who means no harm carrying around his AKM for protection. Then you normally have a large ass crowd where hostiles cannot be easily distinguished from the people buying chickens at the market. People aren't perfect, and bullets don't always hit their mark. It doesn't mean the soldier wanted to hit a civilian, and I can guarantee you they're gonna feel like fucking shit for doing it. Anyone who willingly goes around taking potshots at civilians for fun has a one way ticket to the stockade for life.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18757615]I also love how fucking paranoid you gun nuts are. You think everyone is trying to break into your house.[/QUOTE]
Somebody here has never lived in a city.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18757615]and oh hey, home protection systems do exist for a reason.[/QUOTE]
I know you're going to strawman this out anyway, but trust me, as someone with experience and family in the security systems business- Alarm systems are worthless for home use. No one responds in time to prevent anything from happening.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18757615]Hunting rifles are just as god damn effective as a pistol.[/QUOTE]
Ever shot a gun in your life?
It takes me about one second flat to pull a pistol from behind my back or off of any given surface, drop into a weaver stance, and line up a shot in front of me. It takes me at least three to shoulder a rifle and do the same, and two to get it to the hip (with no capacity to hit anything, since close quarters with a long barrel and firing from the hip = bullshit.)
And that isn't always a self defense thing. Handguns are great for hunting small, easily scattered things like rabbits that aren't going to hang around long enough to draw a good bead on 'em with a rifle.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;18758117]Somebody here has never lived in a city.
I know you're going to strawman this out anyway, but trust me, as someone with experience and family in the security systems business- Alarm systems are worthless for home use. No one responds in time to prevent anything from happening.
Ever shot a gun in your life?
It takes me about one second flat to pull a pistol from behind my back or off of any given surface, drop into a weaver stance, and line up a shot in front of me. It takes me at least three to shoulder a rifle and do the same, and two to get it to the hip (with no capacity to hit anything, since close quarters with a long barrel and firing from the hip = bullshit.)
And that isn't always a self defense thing. Handguns are great for hunting small, easily scattered things like rabbits that aren't going to hang around long enough to draw a good bead on 'em with a rifle.[/QUOTE]
This man speaks truth, you liberals need a lesson from him. :eng101:
yeah us liberals need a lesson in - shut up loser
Hunting rabbits is mostly dumb.
I mean yeah, if you're lost in the forest and need food, that makes sense. If they're eating your crops, it makes sense. If you really love the taste that much and are going to eat it, i can see that. If they're overpopulating, maybe. But doing it for fun is pointless. Handguns are for target shooting and defense.
[QUOTE=thisispain;18758207]yeah us liberals need a lesson in - shut up loser[/QUOTE]
Right. Ever had a person break into your home? I'd like to see you combat him without a gun.
[Quote=mastermaul]Hunting rabbits is mostly dumb.
I mean yeah, if you're lost in the forest and need food, that makes sense. If they're eating your crops, it makes sense. If you really love the taste that much and are going to eat it, i can see that. If they're overpopulating, maybe. But doing it for fun is pointless. Handguns are for target shooting and defense.[/quote]
But shooting is fun!
But pacifism always works!
He doesn't want your money/valuables, he just wants to talk :c
[QUOTE=Simpleboo;18758242]Right. Ever had a person break into your home? I'd like to see you combat him without a gun.[/QUOTE]
don't really care
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;18758117]Somebody here has never lived in a city.[/quote]
I've lived in a city all my life.
[quote]I know you're going to strawman this out anyway, but trust me, as someone with experience and family in the security systems business- Alarm systems are worthless for home use. No one responds in time to prevent anything from happening.[/quote]
There is numerous systems. I've used them before, they work for me.
[quote]Ever shot a gun in your life?[/quote]
I teach kids at camp during the summer.
[quote]It takes me about one second flat to pull a pistol from behind my back or off of any given surface, drop into a weaver stance, and line up a shot in front of me. It takes me at least three to shoulder a rifle and do the same, and two to get it to the hip (with no capacity to hit anything, since close quarters with a long barrel and firing from the hip = bullshit.)[/quote]
uhh...
cool
I really don't care, nor does it in anyway contribute.
This also kind of shows how ridiculous this is. If some guy breaks into your house, your first instinct is to murder him?
[quote]And that isn't always a self defense thing. Handguns are great for hunting small, easily scattered things like rabbits that aren't going to hang around long enough to draw a good bead on 'em with a rifle.[/QUOTE]
Haha, that's absolute bullshit. Hunting is cruel anyway. If your hunting shit got banned, I would not shed a tear. Murder is not a game.
[QUOTE=Simpleboo;18758146]This man speaks truth, you liberals need a lesson from him. :eng101:[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Simpleboo;18758094]I'm really glad that bill didn't pass. :patriot:[/QUOTE]
you need to go away.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;18758100]Ok, so you blame someone for not avoiding the unavoidable?
We aren't shooting a bunch of sharply dressed, well equipped regulars with a flag on their shoulder. We're trying to eliminate a bunch of people dressed exactly like the people around them. You don't know who does and who doesn't have a gun, and even then he could be someone who means no harm carrying around his AKM for protection. Then you normally have a large ass crowd where hostiles cannot be easily distinguished from the people buying chickens at the market. People aren't perfect, and bullets don't always hit their mark. It doesn't mean the soldier wanted to hit a civilian, and I can guarantee you they're gonna feel like fucking shit for doing it. Anyone who willingly goes around taking potshots at civilians for fun has a one way ticket to the stockade for life.[/QUOTE]
wow...
so your justification for mass slaughter of innocents is so you just MIGHT actually hit a bad guy once in a while
christ, no wonder you people are a bunch of jokes.
[QUOTE=mastermaul;18758265]But pacifism always works!
He doesn't want your money/valuables, he just wants to talk :c[/QUOTE]
i don't really have anything to take
[QUOTE=mastermaul;18758265]But pacifism always works!
He doesn't want your money/valuables, he just wants to talk :c[/QUOTE]
hey look at me I'm mast
oh god fuck this
shut up you simple minded whore
[QUOTE=mastermaul;18758265]But pacifism always works!
He doesn't want your money/valuables, he just wants to talk :c[/QUOTE]
I know, he was abused when he was little :(
Superficial arguments do not mean you're right.
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[QUOTE=Simpleboo;18758307]I know, he was abused when he was little :([/QUOTE]
oh hey, it's your furry gay lover
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18758295]
you need to go away.
[/quote]
Why? my opinion is too conservative?
[QUOTE=Simpleboo;18758329]Why? my opinion is too conservative?[/QUOTE]
No, it's too retarded
Gay people shouldn't marry IMO...
[QUOTE=Simpleboo;18758094]I'm really glad that bill didn't pass. :patriot:[/QUOTE]
you're filth. just like most conservatives
and conservative
essentially the same thing. but w/e
[editline]05:05AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hypershadsy;18758334]Gay people shouldn't marry IMO...[/QUOTE]
I don't think you should marry
[QUOTE=Hypershadsy;18758334]Gay people shouldn't marry IMO...[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18758338]I don't think you should marry[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/rating/rainbow.png[/img]
I'm a Christian but this is complete bullshit. Human rights for all comes before my religion. Goddamn conservative pricks.
This kind of shit is bull freaking horse shit.
I mean Jesus Christ, why is it that in this day and age we still act like complete fucktards?
politics is srs guis
[QUOTE=Conscript;18758336]you're filth. just like most conservatives[/QUOTE]
I could say the same about democrats and their Politics. However, just because my opinion is more conservative, that doesn't make me filth.
[quote=hypershadsy] polotics is srs guis[/quote]
I know riet
[QUOTE=Simpleboo;18758363]I could say the same about democrats and their Politics. However, just because my opinion is more conservative, that doesn't make me filth.[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't care if you did since i'm not a democrat. and no, you're filth because you want to stop people from marrying because of your bullshit morals
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