Tillerson Confirms North Korea Missile An ICBM, Calls For Global Action - Polidicks

[QUOTE=OvB;52433759][url]https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/05/u-s-army-launches-missile-response/450531001/[/url] ?[/QUOTE] This sounds like it. Either NPR got their original report wrong or I misheard it, I could have sworn the radio said specifically they launched the 'demonstration' missiles into North Korean waters. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=geel9;52433769]I feel like at this point it's a job for the CIA, not the military.[/QUOTE] I would imagine with the complete lack of free travel not just within North Korea, but going in and out of the country, would make it a nightmare for intelligence agencies to infiltrate, let alone attempt to sabotage.

The longer we wait the worse the inevitable is going to be Just pull the bandaid already

Border conflicts and occasional shelling by North Korea might get worse now as they'll soon have a strategic nuclear deterrence.

Bring it fatty!

[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1562666&p=52183778#post52183778"]Still hold by my previous toxx that will likely pass by without having to be done.[/URL] I still believe that nobody will ever attack North Korea unless they make an attack probably on the scale of the Lusitania or worse. [QUOTE=Quark:;52433660]You underestimate the disconnect from reality among the Nork Government They legit think they can take the US on, and are building nukes to inflate that image. We don't know what he'll do with ICBM's because they haven't officially had them until roughly now. It's a guessing game now.[/QUOTE] I can't imagine everybody in the North Korean military is THAT moronic that they think going against the United States is possible. Even if they think it is possible, I still can't imagine they would do it. They must know that if they go against the US they'll get the rest of the world on their ass and that'll result in their demise. Besides, the top North Korean officials probably have it pretty good, getting all the food, medical care, and technology that the public doesn't get. Even if it isn't all that great, it's better than rotting in prison or getting killed. I can't imagine the ICBM are for really anything besides deterrence.

[QUOTE=Orkel;52433311]The UN has condemned it, don't worry. I'm sure NK will care.[/QUOTE] Not like the US or any other country has done anything else to change NK either

I mean, does no one remember post WWI Germany? Economically crippled under reparations it was forced to pay for the war, under the control of an insane group of people, escalations left unchecked by other nations until they couldn't ignore it any longer because outright war was on their doorstep. Maybe we should reflect on history rather than continuing to pretend economic penalties and strongly worded letters are going to produce meaningful results when dealing with an insane enemy. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=GoingPostal13;52433790]A preemptive strike on North Korea will legitimise their having a nuclear programme as a foundation to their survival as a regime and a country. Removing a country's leader because we don't like them hasn't exactly produced good outcomes in recent history.[/QUOTE] A preemptive strike on NK will legitimise how bad of an idea it is to develop a nuclear weapons program because the international community will do more than write strongly worded letters and impose economic sanctions if you don't stop.

North Korea doesn't just have shitloads of artillery: they have a fuckhuge network of underground tunnels intended for their military to use in case of an invasion. We learned in Vietnam that these tunnel complexes are not terribly vulnerable to bombing campaigns, and we can't just try to drop bunker busters on every suspected tunnel complex. Additionally, North Korea has a crazy huge standing army that will probably fight with fanaticism that probably hasn't been seen since the Pacific Front in WWII w/ the Japanese. A war with NK wouldn't be one we lose: but it'd be bloody, with undoubtedly high casualties in NK itself and probably non-zero casualties for the forces attacking NK. Its not really a winning game: they've dug themselves in, they've got quantity of troops if not quality, and they've now got some seriously threatening nuclear capabilities. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] also some of these tunnels are designed as tunnels for infiltrating SK, so thats fun

i updated my ole' Two Tribes-O-Meter just for this [t]http://i.imgur.com/bZiHPvx.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Quark:;52433660]You underestimate the disconnect from reality among the Nork Government They legit think they can take the US on, and are building nukes to inflate that image. We don't know what he'll do with ICBM's because they haven't officially had them until roughly now. It's a guessing game now.[/QUOTE] No they absolutely do not think they can tussle with the US-and-allies in warfare. It's all propaganda to keep their people in line. The videos and what not they put out aren't meant to scare us, they're meant to make NK's people proud and scared. They build missiles and shit like this to further cement their regime and make sure nobody fucks with them. It's mutually assured destruction all over again. The people of North Korea think they can conquer the world easily, but the Government knows better but keeps pushing that bullshit to keep their people from revolting due to the starvation, slave labor, rampant drug use, lack of electricity, ect. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=paindoc;52435711]North Korea doesn't just have shitloads of artillery: they have a fuckhuge network of underground tunnels intended for their military to use in case of an invasion. We learned in Vietnam that these tunnel complexes are not terribly vulnerable to bombing campaigns, and we can't just try to drop bunker busters on every suspected tunnel complex. Additionally, North Korea has a crazy huge standing army that will probably fight with fanaticism that probably hasn't been seen since the Pacific Front in WWII w/ the Japanese. A war with NK wouldn't be one we lose: but it'd be bloody, with undoubtedly high casualties in NK itself and probably non-zero casualties for the forces attacking NK. Its not really a winning game: they've dug themselves in, they've got quantity of troops if not quality, and they've now got some seriously threatening nuclear capabilities. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] also some of these tunnels are designed as tunnels for infiltrating SK, so thats fun[/QUOTE] The issue isn't whether nor not NK can fight, it's how long they can fight. They've only got enough fuel supplies to last them days at best, so they could run their tanks through Seoul but not get much farther than that. Not to mention their food supply is pitiful as it is, the war would last weeks at best as their soldiers begin to starve.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;52435236]I mean, does no one remember post WWI Germany? Economically crippled under reparations it was forced to pay for the war, under the control of an insane group of people, escalations left unchecked by other nations until they couldn't ignore it any longer because outright war was on their doorstep.[/QUOTE] Just to clarify here but Germany wasn't that crazy until the great depression. The Weimar Republic immediately after WWI was reasonably stable

[QUOTE=DaMastez;52435236]I mean, does no one remember post WWI Germany? Economically crippled under reparations it was forced to pay for the war, under the control of an insane group of people, escalations left unchecked by other nations until they couldn't ignore it any longer because outright war was on their doorstep. Maybe we should reflect on history rather than continuing to pretend economic penalties and strongly worded letters are going to produce meaningful results when dealing with an insane enemy. [editline]5th July 2017[/editline] A preemptive strike on NK will legitimise how bad of an idea it is to develop a nuclear weapons program because the international community will do more than write strongly worded letters and impose economic sanctions if you don't stop.[/QUOTE] That would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that those conditions were put onto Germany. Both Koreas had the choice on which path to take, one of them made their own coffin.

[QUOTE=Anteep;52438375]That would make sense if it wasn't for the fact that those conditions were put onto Germany. Both Koreas had the choice on which path to take, one of them made their own coffin.[/QUOTE] Yea not really. North Korea was flooded with Soviet forces just after WWII, and the south was flooded with US forces. The Soviet Union set North Korea up to be a puppet state until it broke away in the 60's. They put their own people in the government and put into power the communist party in the country so they could contest the South. It wasn't really a choice, they basically went from Japanese oppression to Soviet oppression.

I don't see why retaliating with a nuke is 'the only option'? I'd much prefer soldiers on the ground tear down the regime than drop a fucking nuclear warhead and call it a job well done. Dropping another nuke doesn't solve anything and the bloodshed caused would be legalized genocide at that point.

[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;52435973] The people of North Korea think they can conquer the world easily[/QUOTE] Substantiate this claim.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;52442503]Substantiate this claim.[/QUOTE] 70 years of propaganda will do that to you [media]https://youtu.be/BFfhk3tEo2o[/media] [img]http://www.educationcareerjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/10-It-is-Exciting-to-Play-Soldiers-Beating-and-Seizing-the-Americans.jpg[/img] [img]http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/north-korea-propaganda-tear.jpg[/img] It's not just posters on the street these people are seeing, it's their education. Children in school are taught that America is occupying South Korea and it's even worse there than it is in NK. They're taught that America started the Korean War and that Kim il Sung, who rode a unicorn, defeated the American armies and repelled them back to South Korea. Everyone there is completely indoctrinated into NK's bullshit. It's what keeps them in line.