US Customs block Canadian man after reading through his private data
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It's really bad that we're letting border agents compel people to give up passwords not only to their phones but every random misc site and other shit. It's a level of unacceptable that goes well beyond the ordinary.
Also if you're not aware they take a full copy of your phone, so if that ever gets leaked everyone everywhere has a full clone of your phone including all saved passwords, voicemails, communication history and text logs.
and now apparantly if you wipe your phone they view that as suspicious? no privacy allowed anywhere in this country nosiree. Breaking into people's accounts by taking advantage of awful border laws is pretty evil, can't be justified whether you're a citizen or not.
This happened in October under Obama. #Fakenews
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;51881511]What's stopping you just saying "No"
They have no legal right to your information, surely?[/QUOTE]
US Customs has the legal right to search your phone, just like they have the legal right to search your bag. They do not need a warrant.
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51881561]This happened in October under Obama. #Fakenews[/QUOTE]
To add to this, if any of you people think this sort of thing is trump's sole domain you just havent been paying attention during the obama administration
[QUOTE=BlackPhoenix;51881542]You can say no and just turn back to the country you came from. That's perfectly within what you are allowed to do at any point.
I don't think they ultimately have to justify denying entry to any foreigner.[/QUOTE]
He never left Canada. This was at Vancouver Preclearance.
[editline]27th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51881561]This happened in October under Obama. #Fakenews[/QUOTE]
US Customs has always had the legal right to search your phone since it's something that's not explicitly illegal under the Constitution. The Supreme court has granted them the right to search your things without a warrant and have yet to explicitly say they cannot with phones and other devices.
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-your-phone-at-the-airport-2017-2[/url]
Between this and the guy who was made to solve programming problems at the border to gain entry into the country I'm getting really turned off visiting the US in the future, even though I have been vacationing there for years.
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51881561]This happened in October under Obama. #Fakenews[/QUOTE]
Good thing Trump is here to fix everything isn't he
[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;51881392]Regardless, it's a violation of privacy. No customs should be snooping around anybodies personal private data. People should be able to retain their right for privacy.[/QUOTE]
You don't have the right to not have your crate of dragon dildos searched at the airport just because it's embarrassing. Just because you might have embarrassing content on your phone doesn't mean they don't have a basis to search it. Searching peoples shit for illegal things is literally the point of Customs. They're not there to just check your passport and say Hi. You ever see bags at baggage claim covered in green CBP tape?
Basically, it's legal (for now), it's really unfortunate, but it happens rarely. 4762 people had electronic devices searched out of 383 million people coming into the US in 2015. A less than 1% chance.
[QUOTE=OvB;51881573]US Customs has always had the legal right to search your phone since it's something that's not explicitly illegal under the Constitution. The Supreme court has granted them the right to search your things without a warrant and have yet to explicitly say they cannot with phones and other devices.
[url]http://www.businessinsider.com/can-us-border-agents-search-your-phone-at-the-airport-2017-2[/url][/QUOTE]
I would make argument that your online accounts and passwords do not exist "on you" and forcing you to divulge digital passwords to websites goes far beyond "searching your phone". Pre-internet it would be like demanding you give them your atm pin and just having to trust the agent wouldnt just go withdraw all your money or they didnt leak it. And apparently they have the legal right to accuse you of not having incriminating evidence on your phone.
People should and should be allowed to just put an encrypted clone of their phone on the internet, wipe it before traveling then reload it after entry.
[QUOTE=meek;51881596]Between this and the guy who was [B]made to solve programming problems[/B] at the border to gain entry into the country I'm getting really turned off visiting the US in the future, even though I have been vacationing there for years.[/QUOTE]
What?
[QUOTE=OvB;51881619]You don't have the right to not have your crate of dragon dildos searched at the airport just because it's embarrassing. Just because you might have embarrassing content on your phone doesn't mean they don't have a basis to search it. Searching peoples shit for illegal things is literally the point of Customs. They're not there to just check your passport and say Hi. You ever see bags at baggage claim covered in green CBP tape?
Basically, it's legal (for now), it's really unfortunate, but it happens rarely. 4762 people had electronic devices searched out of 383 million people coming into the US in 2015. A less than 1% chance.[/QUOTE]
There's an important distinction between the crate of dragon dildos and searching through someones phone. People may keep very personal things in their phone, especially if it could contain details of their social life, but their crate of dragon dildos could at the very least be ambiguous.
Perhaps I should of said people should be able to retain their right for digital privacy instead.
[QUOTE=antianan;51881627]What?[/QUOTE]
ye, [url]http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/travellers-stories/aussies-weird-immigration-interview-in-the-us/news-story/8222c65d2f12e6691ef27c9b1753e821[/url]
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51881561]This happened in October under Obama. #Fakenews[/QUOTE]
So that makes it okay?
I'm still against it, and it's just been found out. Therefor, I can have an opinion on it, no?
Or am I only allowed be against it if it's against a political opponent.
[QUOTE=windows098;51881673]So that makes it okay?
I'm still against it, and it's just been found out. Therefor, I can have an opinion on it, no?
Or am I only allowed be against it if it's against a political opponent.[/QUOTE]
I think the point was that this shows this is long-standing American policy, rather than something changed by the Trump administration. As someone who is vehemently anti-Trump it's an important distinction to make: as it shows that American rules around immigration are ALREADY draconian and harsh.
Thus I would view this as more of a general criticism and failing of the American government in general and not just Trump's government.
Still a very disgusting case.
I could not be apart of the security team that had a hand in this. I'd have to call everyone on my team a fucking moron. Also what's the big fucking deal if he was coming to the country for sex? His boy lives in New Orleans at the time, so obv they gonna be fucking.
Ap Guard: Why you got a nudes, and sex apps?
Person: Cause I'm human?
[QUOTE=Daddy-of-war;51881772]I could not be apart of the security team that had a hand in this. I'd have to call everyone on my team a fucking moron. Also what's the big fucking deal if he was coming to the country for sex? His boy lives in New Orleans at the time, so obv they gonna be fucking.
Ap Guard: Why you got a nudes, and sex apps?
Person: Cause I'm human?[/QUOTE]
Sounds like they were under the impression he was some kind of international sex worker since his email was associated with craigslist sex ads. Don't know if it's the case here, but stopping Sex Trafficking is part of what Customs does. Though if that's what they were doing they likely would've mentioned it.
Looks like I'm never going back to the USA, I keep all my devices fully encrypted, no way am I going to decrypt it so they can snoop through my stuff.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51881834]If that is part of their job, I still don't believe the ends justify the means.[/QUOTE]
I question the ethics of it and if it is a tool worth utilizing. Most criminal elements are not going to have content on their phone as that could incriminate them and be used against them. So basically at this point I feel it overreaches and steps into realm of things you usually utilize a warrant for.
I mean unless there is some legitimate factor to where there is an active investigation going on and the phone is apart of it. But just to search peoples electronics for the sake of it isn't okay with me.
Fun fact: Canada also allows CBSA agents to search electronic devices. If an agent believes that somebody is coming here for purposes other than described we will refuse entry and if needed ban entry for several years.
what a fucking weird and arbitrary search
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51881851]Fun fact: Canada also allows CBSA agents to search electronic devices. If an agent believes that somebody is coming here for purposes other than described we will refuse entry and if needed ban entry for several years.[/QUOTE]
This was mentioned earlier, and it doesn't excuse the behavior. People should not have their electronic devices searched anywhere, it's an invasion of their personal or social privacy.
Border control attracts some regular fucking fascists. Anyone who gets a kick out of fucking up someone's day for not being straight or white seem to always line up for these jobs.
[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;51881882]This was mentioned earlier, and it doesn't excuse the behavior. People should not have their electronic devices searched anywhere, it's an invasion of their personal or social privacy.[/QUOTE]
I think it's reasonable. Considering most records are kept digitally these days, and agents were previously able to search document briefcases, it seems reasonable that they should be able to require access to digital devices' if suspicious. There is significant oversight when a search is carried out.
If one is worried about privacy, my recommendation is to wipe your phone.
[QUOTE=Chryseus;51881833]Looks like I'm never going back to the USA, I keep all my devices fully encrypted, no way am I going to decrypt it so they can snoop through my stuff.[/QUOTE]
You have a less than 1% chance of having your phone searched by Customs.
[editline]27th February 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51881920]Yes, I remember how the German police looked through my phone in Frankfurt.
Ha ha no. Not really.
This is ultimate bullshit[/QUOTE]
The legality of searching a person's phone without a warrant at a border crossing is different than the legality of a police doing it in the country because of aforementioned SCOTUS cases.
I hate traveling to the US. US Customs are some of the most unfriendly people I've ever met.
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51881901]I think it's reasonable. Considering most records are kept digitally these days, and agents were previously able to search document briefcases, it seems reasonable that they should be able to require access to digital devices' if suspicious. There is significant oversight when a search is carried out.
If one is worried about privacy, my recommendation is to wipe your phone.[/QUOTE]
The difference in the document briefcase is that a person could hide illegal wares in a briefcase. While I am not completely certain, but I doubt they scan a copy of all the documents in the briefcase anywhere, unless if there's criminal behavior involved.
There's no point in smuggling anything stored digitally, so a search on the data of a device shouldn't be necessary, it's strictly to get more information on the person.
A complete wipe of your phone shouldn't even be necessary for a person to do. In fact it does highlight how it would make a search like that even more pointless since it could be bypassed easily.
Someone who would actually who would otherwise be caught by this could just wipe it. Anyone else would just have their privacy breached.
[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;51881997]The difference in the document briefcase is that a person could hide illegal wares in a briefcase. While I am not completely certain, but I doubt they scan a copy of all the documents in the briefcase anywhere, unless if there's criminal behavior involved.
There's no point in smuggling anything stored digitally, so a search on the data of a device shouldn't be necessary, it's strictly to get more information on the person.
A complete wipe of your phone shouldn't even be necessary for a person to do. In fact it does highlight how it would make a search like that even more pointless since it could be bypassed easily.
Someone who would actually who would otherwise be caught by this would just wipe it. Anyone else would just have their privacy breached.[/QUOTE]
Secret/classified information can be smuggled digitally. Took me a total of 2 seconds to figure that one out..
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51882030]Secret/classified information can be smuggled digitally. Took me a total of 2 seconds to figure that one out..[/QUOTE]
Why would anyone do that when there are so many ways to anonymously deliver information securely through the internet?
[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;51882042]Why would anyone do that when there are so many ways to anonymously deliver information securely through the internet?[/QUOTE]
Why would anybody bring a resume in print format over the border when they could scan it digitally and host it online to be retrieved once across the border?
People get caught with illegal work schemes while bringing print resume's over the border all the time.
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