• Google’s Self-Driving Cars Are Ready for the Road.
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[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47739058]holy shit, it's 2015 dude, get over that macho crap[/QUOTE] How does it being 2015 abolish the concept of good and bad looking car design? His expression is crude but he isn't wrong, most "progressive" cars look really awful.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47739296]How does it being 2015 abolish the concept of good and bad looking car design? His expression is crude but he isn't wrong, most "progressive" cars look really awful.[/QUOTE] he didn't say it looks bad, just "faggy" which implies it's not 'tough' looking enough
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47739304]he didn't say it looks bad, just "faggy" which implies it's not 'tough' looking enough[/QUOTE]They look like fucking half eggs.
[QUOTE=Extronic;47739322]They're ugly as shit and they take the joy of driving away[/QUOTE] Good thing they're not making you buy one then, huh! [editline]16th May 2015[/editline] You know what takes the fun out of driving? Have a family of 4 killed by a drunk driver, texting driver, reckless driver, elderly driver, or a driver that otherwise doesn't care about cars and shouldn't be behind a wheel for the sake of the greater good.
ok but the truth of the matter is that neither google or its self driving cars give a shit about you if you can't afford one so there's a part of me that doesn't get the utopian hype these things have attracted
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47739382]ok but the truth of the matter is that neither google or its self driving cars give a shit about you if you can't afford one so there's a part of me that doesn't get the utopian hype these things have attracted[/QUOTE] what does this mean exactly?
i guess i'm just saying it wasn't created to save lives, it was created to sell spending money on road infrastructure and public transport is a way more egalitarian way of dealing with the same issue but it's not as glamorous and technophilic
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47739382]ok but the truth of the matter is that neither [del]google[/del] [B]Karl Benz[/B] or its [del]self driving cars[/del] [B]Motorwagen[/B] give a shit about you if you can't afford one so there's a part of me that doesn't get the utopian hype these things have attracted[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47739393]i guess i'm just saying it wasn't created to save lives, it was created to sell spending money on road infrastructure and public transport is a way more egalitarian way of dealing with the same issue but it's not as glamorous and technophilic[/QUOTE] but it DOES save lives, and it makes money because of that
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47739401]but it DOES save lives, and it makes money because of that[/QUOTE] I know nothing about google cars, how do they save lives? They look small so how can they have enough safety features in case of a crash?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47739420]I know nothing about google cars, how do they save lives? They look small so how can they have enough safety features in case of a crash?[/QUOTE] We're not talking about the Google car specifically, but autonomous cars in general. Tesla also has plans for self driving cruise control, and it's already perhaps the safest car in the world.
What does the google car do when it encounters this: [t]http://bangordailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10090581_H8734769-600x393.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Kommodore;47739393]i guess i'm just saying it wasn't created to save lives, it was created to sell spending money on road infrastructure and public transport is a way more egalitarian way of dealing with the same issue but it's not as glamorous and technophilic[/QUOTE] The US is far too big to get by with just public transport, and no matter how good road infrastructure is human drivers will be as error prone as ever. [url=http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/812115.pdf]Driver error causes of 94% of all crashes[/url]. Removing human drivers from the equation in favor of a computer is, by far, the best way to deal with the issue.
[QUOTE=meppers;47739504]What does the google car do when it encounters this: [t]http://bangordailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10090581_H8734769-600x393.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Stop and then go when signaled? It's not exactly morse code he's doing with his arms.
[QUOTE=meppers;47739504]What does the google car do when it encounters this: [t]http://bangordailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10090581_H8734769-600x393.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] [url]https://youtu.be/csvt6JBAwBk?t=1m2s[/url]
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47739531]The US is far too big to get by with just public transport, and no matter how good road infrastructure is human drivers will be as error prone as ever. [url=http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pubs/812115.pdf]Driver error causes of 94% of all crashes[/url]. Removing human drivers from the equation in favor of a computer is, by far, the best way to deal with the issue.[/QUOTE] no no, i'm not arguing that it isn't safer, it clearly is. it's also way cooler. i just don't accept that it's a measure of progress by itself. it depends on who uses it and how.
[QUOTE=OvB;47739107]Flaws with current methods of driving killed almost 4 people every hour last year. I think we'll be okay if the robots hiccup every now and then. [editline]16th May 2015[/editline] Like, ~3 people have died since you posted what i quoted because of likely human error in vehicles now. [editline]16th May 2015[/editline] If you've ever took your eyes off the road to change the radio, you're already driving more recklessly than a robot. In fact, having only two eyes means you're already driving more recklessly than a robot. These cars see in every direction [I]at all times.[/I] [I]They are many times a safer driver than you[/I] [editline]16th May 2015[/editline] 424,000 people were injured, 3,154 killed by distracted drivers alone. Thats ~48 people an hour injured by people who lack the ability to multitask like a robot.[/QUOTE] Which is cheaper? Finding the software glitch or burying it? I'm not saying its going to be at the same scale and the lives that can be saved. I'm fine with driver less cars as long as they have the ability to have a user override to avoid moments where a glitch does occur. Also, this entire system depends on an aging GPS network just like our current air fleets depend on a massive old network of consoles that need to be replaced but can't. I'm not just talking the cars themselves, I'm talking about the devices that back it up, glitches during communications, glitches with satalites, tech lock due to removing or attempting to update will freeze all travel. What network are we gonna use? Whose going to provide the GPS coordinates and have them continuously stream? What happens if this all takes place on a centralized server and someone decides to DDOS it? We keep continually trying to connect ourselves in a central area to the point where we bring in greater and greater strains of catastrophe because we just expect the system to work. These systems will be absolutely useless in emergency scenarios, natural disasters, man made disasters.
I can't wait for driverless cars. I hate driving, I hate traffic, and I hate having to go to some third party shop when I have car problems. I'd much rather take it back to the manufacturer to get it fixed then have some dude at "the townesville tire shop" fixing it. I just hate cars.
[QUOTE=Swilly;47739703]Which is cheaper? Finding the software glitch or burying it? I'm not saying its going to be at the same scale and the lives that can be saved. I'm fine with driver less cars as long as they have the ability to have a user override to avoid moments where a glitch does occur. Also, this entire system depends on an aging GPS network just like our current air fleets depend on a massive old network of consoles that need to be replaced but can't. I'm not just talking the cars themselves, I'm talking about the devices that back it up, glitches during communications, glitches with satalites, tech lock due to removing or attempting to update will freeze all travel. What network are we gonna use? Whose going to provide the GPS coordinates and have them continuously stream? What happens if this all takes place on a centralized server and someone decides to DDOS it? We keep continually trying to connect ourselves in a central area to the point where we bring in greater and greater strains of catastrophe because we just expect the system to work. These systems will be absolutely useless in emergency scenarios, natural disasters, man made disasters.[/QUOTE] Does this car even use GPS more than a car already does? It navigates with optics.
That said I wanna see more data before I would buy one. and by that I mean I want everyone else to buy one and act as a crash test dummy before I do. Human error is the cause of damn near every crash, but don't forget that [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/coldwar/shatter021099b.htm]robots[/url] are [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25]programmed[/url] by [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash]humans [/url]
[QUOTE=Swilly;47739703]Which is cheaper? Finding the software glitch or burying it? I'm not saying its going to be at the same scale and the lives that can be saved. I'm fine with driver less cars as long as they have the ability to have a user override to avoid moments where a glitch does occur. Also, this entire system depends on an aging GPS network just like our current air fleets depend on a massive old network of consoles that need to be replaced but can't. I'm not just talking the cars themselves, I'm talking about the devices that back it up, glitches during communications, glitches with satalites, tech lock due to removing or attempting to update will freeze all travel. What network are we gonna use? Whose going to provide the GPS coordinates and have them continuously stream? What happens if this all takes place on a centralized server and someone decides to DDOS it? We keep continually trying to connect ourselves in a central area to the point where we bring in greater and greater strains of catastrophe because we just expect the system to work. These systems will be absolutely useless in emergency scenarios, natural disasters, man made disasters.[/QUOTE] Why would this all take place on a central server? I don't think you understand how autonomous vehicles work. They're based solely on optics/radar and wireless communication. The cameras placed around the vehicle work together to give the vehicle view of its surroundings and will use object detection to make decisions. Wireless communication(Which doesn't connect to a central server) allow the vehicle to know about hazards ahead or, when we get there, available parking spots for example.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47739862]That said I wanna see more data before I would buy one. and by that I mean I want everyone else to buy one and act as a crash test dummy before I do. Human error is the cause of damn near every crash, but don't forget that [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/coldwar/shatter021099b.htm]robots[/url] are [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25]programmed[/url] by [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash]humans [/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, but unlike humans, all driverless cars will learn from the mistakes of any driverless car, meaning that if there was some glitch or some situation not accounted for it would be fixed really quickly once it surfaced during testing.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47739810]I can't wait for driverless cars. I hate driving, I hate traffic, and I hate having to go to some third party shop when I have car problems. I'd much rather take it back to the manufacturer to get it fixed then have some dude at "the townesville tire shop" fixing it. I just hate cars.[/QUOTE] Tesla have this methodology and many states in the US flipped their shit about it and banned them from selling cars. No one likes going to car dealers or random mechanics. Also Tesla plan on adding automated steering, parking and pulling out of your garage in ~2 months for free to the existing cars. On private property you can even summon the car to you via a phone app.
I guess my only worry with autopilot vehicles is maintenance. I [I]like[/I] being able to fix up my car without dropping loads of money.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;47743097]I guess my only worry with autopilot vehicles is maintenance. I [I]like[/I] being able to fix up my car without dropping loads of money.[/QUOTE] You should still be able to. The only difference between manual driven vehicles and autonomous vehicles is the cameras, radars, and wireless communication on them. They're like any other modern day car.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;47739862]That said I wanna see more data before I would buy one. and by that I mean I want everyone else to buy one and act as a crash test dummy before I do. Human error is the cause of damn near every crash, but don't forget that [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/coldwar/shatter021099b.htm"]robots[/URL] are [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25"]programmed[/URL] by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash"]humans [/URL][/QUOTE] Example 1: There was a person there because they were relying upon technology that was known to have many issues and was thrown together as fast as possible. That was also the 80's which their computers margins for error were a whole lot smaller and couldn't filter out data as easily. Computer error due to instrument problems, a person reading the instruments directly could easily see similar results, so 1/2. Example 2: read the article again, that is what was a fuckup by the numbers, with no oversight into the programming practically. Do you really think that google wouldn't cross check their code across multiple departments? Example 3: This is the complete and utter worst one. After all, there was no accident, there was no mistake, that was intentional. The computer did what it was meant to do and did it very well. Doesn't help the fact that a whole lot of people got screwed over by it, but the program did what it was designed to.
I still fail to see how the cars being capped at 25 MPH and driving like chickenshits is "road ready". I'm all for self driving cars existing, but these cars would do nothing but obstruct traffic on at least half of the roads within a few miles of my house. Between all the railroad crossings, and 30-40 zones, let alone the 50+ routes and not even mentioning the highways, I guarantee you that they would cause traffic jams behind them within minutes of being on the road. A neat work in progress, sure. [I]The way of the future.[/I]™ Probably. Ready for the road? Hell no.
[IMG]http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2015/05/15/google_self_driving_car_prototypes_why_you_won_t_see_them_on_your_street/google_driverless_small.jpg.CROP.promo-mediumlarge.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/animalcrossing/images/e/eb/Villager_SSB4.png/revision/latest?cb=20130611213452[/IMG] it looks like a Villager from animal crossing
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;47731787]Why does a car need to look "aggressive"?[/QUOTE] For fun which, believe it or not, is actually a valid reason
[QUOTE=greendevil;47747357]For fun which, believe it or not, is actually a valid reason[/QUOTE] why aggressive though? what's wrong with cute?
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