Trump: I’d Use ‘Stop-and-Frisk’ to End Violence in Black Communities - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jimmyjohn;51086661]Since he's talking about black crime I'm assuming he's saying police should only do this to black people. And if they do it to black people only isn't that promoting racial profiling?[/QUOTE] if he's talking about black-on-black crime then he's talking about black communities. i GUESS it'd be racial profiling to be singling out black individuals from an area where black individuals are the majority but ???

he also announced this during a black outreach event.

[QUOTE=Zyler;51086813]So there's no causal link between the use of 'stop and frisk' policies and the amount of crime? There could be any number of factors involved in the fluctuation of crime statistics ranging from economic, socioeconomic, political, social, et al. Not saying you are doing this, but if you are, don't draw conclusions from statistics based on your own idea of what's happening, it won't be convincing evidence. Instead, only draw the information from the numbers that are clearly represented by the numbers, i.e. changes in the amount of crime, not what caused it. Otherwise, anybody could claim any cause, like "the increasing crime is due to the rise of white nationalism" or something like that, and they would be equally correct as you are.[/QUOTE] I never claimed that it was an effective or necessary practice, just that black people weren't being overly targeted.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51086980]I never claimed that it was an effective or necessary practice, just that black people weren't being overly targeted.[/QUOTE] How do you know the future? Yes we know the precedent, how do you know how a new version of this under Trump would function?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51087036]How do you know the future? Yes we know the precedent, how do you know how a new version of this under Trump would function?[/QUOTE] I don't.

[QUOTE=ZpankR;51086629]I just heard about this practice now and after a really short research on it, I couldn't really find a side to rest on. From what I gather, with "stop-and-frisk" Police can question and search you for illegal weapons/contraband without consent or warrant. Other than the obvious privacy issues, what's the problem with this practice? Racial bias? I honestly don't see much potential for abuse. [editline]22nd September 2016[/editline] I'm not trying to stir any shit, just want to hear some opinions on this[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data"]Here are some numbers on Stop-and-frisk.[/URL] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City#Race_and_ethnicity"]Here's demographic info for NYC[/URL], for comparison. From 2002 - 2015, anywhere from 80 to 90 percent of stop-and-frisked New Yorkers were totally innocent. White people (45% of population) made up 10% of Stop and Frisk searches, black people (25% of population) made up 55% of the searches. Anecdotal evidence is always questionable but a [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/53uw2u/trump_id_use_stopandfrisk_to_end_violence_in/"]reddit thread[/URL] features multiple stories of black/latino youths (middle/high school, early teens) reporting being stopped and frisked at least once, even up to a dozen times a year while white teachers had never been stopped.

[QUOTE=ZpankR;51086629]I just heard about this practice now and after a really short research on it, I couldn't really find a side to rest on. From what I gather, with "stop-and-frisk" Police can question and search you for illegal weapons/contraband without consent or warrant. Other than the obvious privacy issues, what's the problem with this practice? Racial bias? I honestly don't see much potential for abuse. [editline]22nd September 2016[/editline] I'm not trying to stir any shit, just want to hear some opinions on this[/QUOTE] Spoken like someone who won't have to deal with being stopped and frisked.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51086816]It's in blatant violation of constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure, and it is almost unfailingly racist in practice, causing massive amounts of racial profiling through unlawful stops and searches. [/quote] I certainly can agree that stop and frisk is against the 4th amendment. Its a policy that is well known from New York City. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City[/url] By the way, note that Michael Bloomberg defended Stop and Frisk. This tactic originated with Democrats. [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/eugene-robinson-good-steps-on-stop-and-frisk-drug-arrests/2013/08/19/b43ae57a-090e-11e3-9941-6711ed662e71_story.html?utm_term=.f1b59d639544[/url] However, police do need to patrol neighborhoods where crime is higher. Which just happens to tend to be black and Hispanic neighborhoods. [url]https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/survey-analysis/demographics[/url] [url]http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/year_end_2015_enforcement_report.pdf[/url] [url]http://newobserveronline.com/new-york-nonwhites-commit-92-of-violent-crime/[/url] You cannot sit here and tell me cops should patrol all neighborhoods equally. Their job is to respond to crime. They will go to where the most crime is. Which just happens to be black neighborhoods. [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51086816] "Grow rampant." [t]http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990.jpg[/t] Crime rates are steadily dropping every year. Crime is hardly "rampant," and it's certainly not growing. That is part of the false "feelings over facts" narrative pushed by GOP strategists in order to scare people into voting red.[/QUOTE] But I do think you are very wrong here. Violent crime is used way more by democrats to push agendas like gun control. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX4qUsgHa4Y[/url] <- Vox propaganda pushing that "violent crime is very high and guns are to blame." [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IULSD8VwXEs[/url] <- Video debunking Vox's propaganda. The mass media is mostly to blame for this false perception however. [url]https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/americas-faulty-perception-crime-rates[/url] However, due to the fake "racist cop" situation this year being what it is, crime has risen this year because police are afraid to go into black communities to police them. [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/09/01/chicago-has-seen-more-homicides-this-year-than-new-york-and-los-angeles-combined/?utm_term=.b1d20006f5cd[/url] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/violent-crime-report-us-cities-homicides-rapes/[/url]

^ democrats AND republicans in the 90s ran rampant on being tough on crime, even as crime statistics showed it was declining much like today. they enacted a lot of programs that had never been tested before, and enacted a lot of policy that had no actual factual basis behind it. 25+ years later, we know the results of many of these policies and at least one side is arguing that its time to revise them, while another side is still running with the feelings > fact mentality we know stop and frisk is ineffective and breaks down trust in the police, we know civil forfitures don't catch drug money, we know mandatory curfews don't actually deter gang crime

[media]https://twitter.com/brandonenglish/status/778633460239912967[/media]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51086816]It's in blatant violation of constitutional protections against unreasonable search and seizure, and it is almost unfailingly racist in practice, causing massive amounts of racial profiling through unlawful stops and searches. [editline]21st September 2016[/editline] "Grow rampant." [t]http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990.jpg[/t] Crime rates are steadily dropping every year. Crime is hardly "rampant," and it's certainly not growing. That is part of the false "feelings over facts" [B]narrative pushed by GOP strategists in order to scare people into voting red.[/B][/QUOTE]You mean DNC strategists in order to scare people into voting for gun control/voting blue.

[QUOTE=Monkah;51087433]You mean DNC strategists in order to scare people into voting for gun control/voting blue.[/QUOTE] So are you saying that DNC stratagists made up the crime decline and there's actually an undocumented crime increase?

[QUOTE=Monkah;51087433]You mean DNC strategists in order to scare people into voting for gun control/voting blue.[/QUOTE] Sure, I'll allow that. But, just for reference, the theme of the fucking RNC this year was "law and order," with the very first night of the event officially dubbed, "Make America Safe Again." So... The Democrats doing some stupid shit on occasion isn't license for the former GOP speaker of the house to literally state that feelings are more important than facts. [Media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I[/media] Your mistake here is assuming that I think the Democratic party is flawless, or even that I agree with all of tgeir positions (I don't). That's not what I'm pointing out here. Some of the arguments made in favor of gun control are stupid, and the Dems are definitely not innocent of that. This election cycle, however, one party, and even more specifically, one candidate, has wielded fear as it's [B]primary[/B] political tool. Fear of Muslims, Hispanics, black people, immigrants and refugees, and so on and so forth. And this is nothing new for the GOP -- it's just especially fucking insidious this year.

lmao yeah great idea man, hassle an already-hassled minority even further with literally no cause beyond skin color. and yet some of you people will vote for this fucking [b]clown[/b]???