Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Orkel;52429657]Svinnik is facepunch's resident Israel shill, just like Tudd is for Trump.[/QUOTE] What about ScumBunny? Didn't he post Israeli threads in SH and get into heated arguements with Starpluck over it in SH atleast once a week back in the day?

[QUOTE=Ta16;52430198]What about ScumBunny? Didn't he post Israeli threads in SH and get into heated arguements with Starpluck over it in SH atleast once a week back in the day?[/QUOTE] I think he realized his cover was rapidly being blown and he taged out and tagged Svinnik in :v:

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52429819]All of the major parties on the Palestinian side support terrorism, it's not realistic to separate being pro terrorist and pro palestine.[/QUOTE] It is, you just have to not be racist. Unless you mean Palestine as a state in it's current condition. Being against the Palestinian people is simply unfeasible if you are against human rights.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52429536]So what do you think happens in the US, the UK, or any other country when you build something without acquiring those "arbitrary permits"?[/QUOTE] Depending on how much of a dick-head the enforcement official isn't, a fine and a warning at first, followed by a fine and court, then possibly confiscation/arrest?

It's a shitty situation all around Israel and Paliestine Svinnik is actually correct that the majority of government still supports the terrorists, And Israel isn't fully clean either. in fact There is massives amounts of propaganda with these two states. Hamas and their similar groups likes to stage incidents that blame Israel though. So I don't know which incident is real and which isn't

[QUOTE=Quark:;52430215]I think he realized his cover was rapidly being blown and he taged out and tagged Svinnik in :v:[/QUOTE] Then we have posters like you: people who constantly complain and make up some fairy tales about the conflict and when being presented with evidence and facts, you cover your ears and pretend you didnt read nothing, then the next thread you make up the same old argument.

[QUOTE=MrBunneh;52429653]I can't wait for the nz police to start blowing up mongrel mob pads just because they commit crimes I can't wait for the nz police to tell me they're gonna blow up my house because I smoke pot and have a few knives on the property[/QUOTE] imma be honest pot and a few knives doesn't compare to rpg rounds like im not tryin to take sides here but that's not a good comparison

Tear down the settlements.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52429633]I robbed a bank but it's OK because I called ahead and let them know I was coming[/QUOTE] I think he's trolling and just trying to make Israel look worse at this point. [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52429753]why are people assuming that our distaste for what israel did in this article means that we're pro-palestine/anti-israel[/QUOTE] Is it bad that I think Israel and Palestine are both assholes to each other and that neither of them deserve the land? [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Megadave;52430237]It is, you just have to not be racist. Unless you mean Palestine as a state in it's current condition. Being against the Palestinian people is simply unfeasible if you are against human rights.[/QUOTE] Palestinians are not a race. They're an ethnic group.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52430207] Scumbunny was cool though. He was the least biased among all involved in my opinion.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Quark:;52430215]I think he realized his cover was rapidly being blown and he taged out and tagged Svinnik in :v:[/QUOTE] Huh? I still post here. Not gonna defend this stupidity though.

I'm probably more on the Israeli side than the Palestinian side in the big picture, and yet to pretend that Israel (or Palestine) is a saint in this conflict is the height of naivety. Our government is clearly controlled by people with barely any regard for Israel's own citizens let alone an angry population in the West Bank and Gaza, and our soldiers are worn down and worked to exhaustion while being fed constant propaganda, which ends up with naturally occurring dehumanization of both the soldier and (from his own eyes) everything around him. I once attended a lecture of Combatants for Peace (check their website, it's very heart-warming), a joint Israeli-Palestinian group of ex-IDF fighters and Palestinian fighters/terrorists. In the lecture we got both a Palestinian and an Israeli perspective of a normal day in the west bank. The Israeli man told us that as a fighter, every night (after a whole day of being awake) he would have to go with his squad through an entire neighborhood, going into every single house, disturbing its denizens, and searching it thoroughly top to bottom. He described how in the first house he would still try to be polite and rearrange the clothing back into the closet and all the cutlery/plates in the kitchen, but that by the 6th or 7th hour of this, with him dead tired and getting shouted at in every single new house, he didn't bother at all and was just major pissed off at everything. As I said before, this isn't his fault, this is Israel's fault, the IDF particularly, for creating such a shitty system that its own soldiers lose their sense of morality from exhaustion. The Palestinian man, a former 'terrorist' whose daughter was killed by the IDF, talked about what it's like to live in a village that you literally can't get out of without going through a military checkpoint and examined through anything that you're carrying. He also told us of one time when he was a boy (~10-12 years old) that he and his friends threw rocks at the soldiers in the checkpoint, one of his friends was shot dead and he was shot in the shoulder. Sadly I don't remember his lecture in more detail, but the most notable thing from the whole meeting was the mutual dehumanization that each side does to the other. It's only going to get worse if nothing changes.

Israel was a mistake. The jewish people should have a place of their own, yes, but not there. The conflict is completely unresolvable due to the significance of the location.

[QUOTE=Scot;52430732]Israel was a mistake. The jewish people should have a place of their own, yes, but not there. The conflict is completely unresolvable due to the significance of the location.[/QUOTE] ....where? And you know the history before Israel was even a country right? The same conflict between Jews and Muslims was still raging, the Jews were a pretty sizable minority.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;52430777]....where? And you know the history before Israel was even a country right? The same conflict between Jews and Muslims was still raging, the Jews were a pretty sizable minority.[/QUOTE] Difference is now the Jews have a very powerful military presence right on the Muslims' doorstep and are being backed by most western countries.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52429442]Believe me, if Israel wanted to kill all of the Palestinians, we would already done it.[/QUOTE] I'm starting to think you (and everybody else thinking along these lines) ought not to be in charge of anything more important than a snack cart.

[QUOTE=Scot;52430811]Difference is now the Jews have a very powerful military presence right on the Muslims' doorstep and are being backed by most western countries.[/QUOTE] Peace is not worth injustice. With the amount of Jews that were in the area and how the Muslims at the time tended to treat them an Israel was probably inevitable and necessary. And eh. Aside from the US and our "HURR GREATEST ALLY" most western countries tend to take a much more balanced approach with Israel. The worst of the conflict is probably behind us anyways, there's a pretty good case to be optimistic about the future of this area.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52429819]All of the major parties on the Palestinian side support terrorism, it's not realistic to separate being pro terrorist and pro palestine.[/QUOTE] Thats an extremely sound and good argument Lets keep evicting those guys and pushing out of their homes and fuck up their primary source of income which is agriculture. That'll show them who's boss. The best negotiating tactics. [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;52430777]....where? And you know the history before Israel was even a country right? The same conflict between Jews and Muslims was still raging, the Jews were a pretty sizable minority.[/QUOTE] The patagonia Really. By the 1930's there was no more native population there so...

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52430825]lol are you serious? let him be a shill but don't go thinking he should stand behind a falafel cart that's just outright rude i don't think the same way as you dude, nobody's that insane[/QUOTE] What's wrong with standing behind one of those carts?

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52430922] The patagonia Really. By the 1930's there was no more native population there so...[/QUOTE] Only about 17% of the population? That's more than we have black people in the USA even. And just before the partition, that'd increased to 32%. unless you're referring to the patagonia. but i have no idea what that place even is besides that it's a chunk of south america

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;52430922]Thats an extremely sound and good argument Lets keep evicting those guys and pushing out of their homes and fuck up their primary source of income which is agriculture. That'll show them who's boss. The best negotiating tactics. [/QUOTE] You're right. Lets offer them a [URL="http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82027"]peace[/URL] [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/news/pa-rejects-olmert-s-offer-to-withdraw-from-93-of-west-bank-1.251578"]treaty[/URL] [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.794292"]instead[/URL]. No? Fine. Let's just [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza"]unilaterally pull out and tear down all the settlements[/URL]. [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict"]Huh[/URL]. Well... Seriously though, past failures are no reason to give up on trying to forge a lasting peace by way of a two state solution, and crap like the OP sure as hell doesn't help. Still, even with all the petty, belligerent shit our current government constantly pulls on the Palestinians I believe that if opportunity presents itself to work out a new treaty with the Palestinians Netanyahu will grab it with both hands just as he did with Obama's plan in 2014. All it takes if for the Palestinians play along for once in their entire history and we could put all this bad blood behind us once and for all.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52430825]let him be a shill but don't go thinking he should stand behind a falafel cart that's just outright rude i don't think the same way as you dude, nobody's that insane[/QUOTE] I didn't say a falafel cart? earlier in the thread he was going on about how the Palestinians didn't have the correct permit and therefore they had to have their shit taken off them. combined with the fact he said "if we wanted to commit genocide we would have already done it" makes a very strong argument for him never going anywhere near a position of authority or power [QUOTE=Kiwi;52430938]nothing at all? lets not put people in their places just cause he's a shill just let em be[/QUOTE] if you see a fraud and don't shout fraud, you're a fraud

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52430814]I'm starting to think you (and everybody else thinking along these lines) ought not to be in charge of anything more important than a snack cart.[/QUOTE] When did I support genocide? I said that Israel has had chances to carry out a genocide and didn't take it. 1948 was a chance, 67 was a chance. I don't support genocide of the Palestinians because killing random people for the actions of their government is wrong. [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=thelurker1234;52430829]Peace is not worth injustice. With the amount of Jews that were in the area and how the Muslims at the time tended to treat them an Israel was probably inevitable and necessary. And eh. Aside from the US and our "HURR GREATEST ALLY" most western countries tend to take a much more balanced approach with Israel. The worst of the conflict is probably behind us anyways, there's a pretty good case to be optimistic about the future of this area.[/QUOTE] Nope, the worst is just coming up. Abbas is going to die soon and when he dies, there is going to be a power struggle in the West Bank. It's very likely that Hamas will become the leading party of the West Bank and Gaza, leading to more and more terror attacks in Jerusalem and settlements. Meanwhile, Hamas and Hezbollah signed agreements to cooperate, so when Hezbollah pops off and starts the third Lebanon war, it's likely that Hamas will start firing rockets at Israel again, possibly overwhelming Iron Dome and leading to a shit ton of damage. Hezbollah also has a lot of rockets that can reach across Israel thanks to Iran so Hezbollah will be able to hit civilian targets (and they will aim for these) practically at will. It's going to be really bad. [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Quark:;52430215]I think he realized his cover was rapidly being blown and he taged out and tagged Svinnik in :v:[/QUOTE] "you can't really have your opinion, you must be paid off" [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;52430077]You can't trick me into thinking you're anti-conflict if you defend the destruction of $400,000 worth of humanitarian aid towards Palestine because "oh they didn't have building permits." like it's nothing[/QUOTE] I personally think that destroying 400k of solar panels is really wasteful and they should have simply been confiscated.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52431213]When did I support genocide? I said that Israel has had chances to carry out a genocide and didn't take it. 1948 was a chance, 67 was a chance. I don't support genocide of the Palestinians because killing random people for the actions of their government is wrong.[/QUOTE] by constantly defending the actions of seizing a bunch of stuff from palestinians by turning to de jure justifications (they didn't have the correct permits) you pretty are ignoring the main point (that this action served no purpose whatsoever but to possibly antagonize the Palestinians). [QUOTE=Kiwi;52431060]And anyone can have any authority. The real question is can he actually make the right decision based on his own opinion and experience and would it be right for all mankind? [/QUOTE] nah, there's a lot of people with authority who shouldn't have it

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52430825]lol are you serious? let him be a shill but don't go thinking he should stand behind a falafel cart that's just outright rude i don't think the same way as you dude, nobody's that insane[/QUOTE] Because I have a certain opinion I'm a shill? By that logic, isn't almost everyone a shill? I have tons of problems with Israel, it's just that none of them come up in these threads.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52429536]So what do you think happens in the US, the UK, or any other country when you build something without acquiring those "arbitrary permits"?[/QUOTE] I just want to say that for the record, in the UK you can build anything without a permit (in this case planning permission) and depending if the local council gives enough of a fuck, you wont have to get it. Additionally if they do give a fuck you can get it post-construction. We're a lot more lax here when it comes to construction, moving back to the topic, I don't agree with what they did, the area this town is in is the "Area C" so Israel should fucking manage the village as its essentially under their control, the fact the entire village isn't provided with services or even power is disgraceful, I understand theres a conflict of interest here but they're still people who live there and they are entitled to at least be treated the same as anyone else under Israeli control. When they don't do what they should, its when others step in to help only to get shafted. Its a dirty game they're playing and it wont help anyone.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52431270]by constantly defending the actions of seizing a bunch of stuff from palestinians by turning to de jure justifications (they didn't have the correct permits) you pretty are ignoring the main point (that this action served no purpose whatsoever but to possibly antagonize the Palestinians). nah, there's a lot of people with authority who shouldn't have it[/QUOTE] Again, they didn't even [I]bother[/I] to apply for a permit. It would be completely different if they bothered to apply, got denied, and did it out of desperation. Also, that has nothing to do with genocide unless solar panels are now considered people.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52431281]Again, they didn't even [I]bother[/I] to apply for a permit. It would be completely different if they bothered to apply, got denied, and did it out of desperation.[/QUOTE] How much time would such an application take to be processed? Any guarantee it won't just get lost in administrative limbo? Meanwhile they don't have electricity because the very people that are supposed to administer the village can't be arsed to actually do so. If they can't be bothered to provide such a basic need as electricity, what makes you think they'll give a rat's ass about granting them such a permit? Maybe the authorities better get on with actually providing for the population they're supposed to take care of rather than go out of their way to prevent locals from doing the job they're supposed to do?

[QUOTE=_Axel;52431300]How much time would such an application take to be processed? Any guarantee it won't just get lost in administrative limbo? Meanwhile they don't have electricity because the very people that are supposed to administer the village can't be arsed to actually do so. If they can't be bothered to provide such a basic need as electricity, what makes you think they'll give a rat's ass about granting them such a permit? Maybe the authorities better get on with actually providing for the population they're supposed to take care of rather than go out of their way to prevent locals from doing the job they're supposed to do?[/QUOTE] It would take some time but that's called planning ahead. I don't know why Israel keeps on denying this village electricity but considering all the negative PR from it, they must have a good reason.

Israel should have no right to police this. [editline].[/editline] [QUOTE=Svinnik;52429442]Believe me, if Israel wanted to kill all of the Palestinians, we would already done it. [editline]3rd July 2017[/editline] Eh, depends. Regardless, if they had requested the permit first and then done this, I would understand but they didn't even bother to request the permit.[/QUOTE] I just wanna say that I intended to rate this post dumb but because this thread was moved to a different section I rated star and can't undo it now :v: [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Svinnik;52431311]It would take some time but that's called planning ahead. I don't know why Israel keeps on denying this village electricity but considering all the negative PR from it, they must have a good reason.[/QUOTE] What if they're just being dicks because they can? They know they can get away with it, negative PR be damned.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52431311]It would take some time but that's called planning ahead.[/QUOTE] Yeah I guess it makes sense to "plan ahead" when it apparently takes over 30 years to get fucking electricity. ...Or maybe they just realised the administration doesn't give a shit about them and applying for a permit only for it to be refused after several decades of waiting is just a waste of time that serves no purpose other than preventing people like you from using semantical bullshit to blame the victims. [QUOTE]I don't know why Israel keeps on denying this village electricity but considering all the negative PR from it, they must have a good reason.[/QUOTE] If most Israeli are as adamently apologetic of them as you are, it's not like that negative PR is going to have any impact anyway. If you believe they have an actual reason behind their repeated refusal to provide the village with decent infrastructure, then share it with us. Saying "well they must have a good reason otherwise they wouldn't be fine with getting bad PR" is just wishful thinking on your part, not an argument.