Israel seizes solar panels donated to Palestinians by Dutch government - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;52431331]Israel should have no right to police this. What if they're just being dicks because they can? They know they can get away with it, negative PR be damned.[/QUOTE] You do realize that the Palestinians themselves gave Israel the right to police this in Oslo? Being dicks is a possible answer.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52431311]It would take some time but that's called planning ahead. I don't know why Israel keeps on denying this village electricity but considering all the negative PR from it, they must have a good reason.[/QUOTE] Come on now, what possible good reason does Israel have to antagonize a village under its own control and create a bunch more suicide-by-soldier teenagers in the process? It certainly isn't bloody safety issues.

[QUOTE=_Axel;52431348]Yeah I guess it makes sense to "plan ahead" when it apparently takes over 30 years to get fucking electricity. ...Or maybe they just realised the administration doesn't give a shit about them and applying for a permit only for it to be refused after several decades of waiting is just a waste of time that serves no purpose other than preventing people like you from using semantical bullshit to blame the victims. If most Israeli are as adamently apologetic of them as you are, it's not like that negative PR is going to have any impact anyway. If you believe they have an actual reason behind their repeated refusal to provide the village with decent infrastructure, then share it with us. Saying "well they must have a good reason otherwise they wouldn't be fine with getting bad PR" is just wishful thinking on your part, not an argument.[/QUOTE] It's only recently that the Palestinians started paying their power bill, before that Israel was forced to provide power to the West Bank without being compensated. Before then, it was hard to convince Israel to connect any Palestinian town in the West Bank to the electrical grid. Reading over a summary of the village ([URL="http://vprofile.arij.org/bethlehem/pdfs/VP/Jubbet_Adh_Dhib_vp_en.pdf"]http://vprofile.arij.org/bethlehem/pdfs/VP/Jubbet_Adh_Dhib_vp_en.pdf[/URL]) I saw this: [QUOTE]Since 2002, Jubbet adh Dhib has been governed by a projects committee which is currently administrated by five members appointed by the Palestinian Authority. There is also one employee working in the council. The village council does not have a permanent headquarters on its own property. It is the responsibility of the projects committee to provide a number of services to the residents of Jubbet adh Dhib, including: 1. Infrastructure services such as water and electricity. 2. Provision and maintenance of a potable water supply network. 3. Implementation of projects and case studies for the village. [/QUOTE] Projects committee likely fucked up somewhere or this is a move against the PA because the PA refuses to stop paying terrorists, both are equally as likely.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52431401]Projects committee likely fucked up somewhere or this is a move against the PA because the PA refuses to stop paying terrorists, both are equally as likely.[/QUOTE] isn't this collective punishment

[QUOTE=Bertie;52431375]Come on now, what possible good reason does Israel have to antagonize a village under its own control and create a bunch more suicide-by-soldier teenagers in the process? It certainly isn't bloody safety issues.[/QUOTE] tbh it's probably some bureaucrat with little oversight just being a dick [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Cloak Raider;52431414]isn't this collective punishment[/QUOTE] If it was true, it would be. I looked more into it and this village doesn't really have anything sketchy around it, it's probably just some bureaucrat being an asshole and abusing his power.

[QUOTE=Scot;52430811]Difference is now the Jews have a very powerful military presence right on the Muslims' doorstep and are being backed by most western countries.[/QUOTE] You think Jordan, Egypt, Iran, formerly Syira, weren't/aren't being backed by major countries and don't have powerful militaries? The issue isn't where Israel is placed, the issue is that everybody there needs to learn to fucking share and be civil. It's not just Muslim holy land and it's not just Jewish holy land. [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;52430814]I'm starting to think you (and everybody else thinking along these lines) ought not to be in charge of anything more important than a snack cart.[/QUOTE] "I can't think of a proper rebuttal so I'm just going to start insulting you now" GG

I honestly dont believe we should be supporting ANY apartheid state. It is just entirely the wrong way to go and cause the conflict we see between muslims and jews to get worse as years go by. Israel abuses and kills innocent civilians, take their land and ruin their lives. Terror groups gain support because of this, kills innocent jews, attack soldiers. Israel is "justified" and does it again. It repeats but get must worse as time go by. Giving Israel billions every year doesnt do shit to end this conflict.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52429661]When it's deep in enemy territory, that isn't feasible. [/QUOTE] You're telling me Israel can kill former nazis who have been in hiding for decades in countries halfway across the planet without those countries knowledge but they can't send guys into an apartment block to seize weapons and make arrests?

[QUOTE=Broguts;52431703]You're telling me Israel can kill former nazis who have been in hiding for decades in countries halfway across the planet without those countries knowledge but they can't send guys into an apartment block to seize weapons and make arrests?[/QUOTE] It's easier to just bomb someone's home containing all of their belongings and prized possessions based on a rumor that they're assisting Hamas in some way (which won't be investigated likely) than it is to check if there are actually bombs/weapons/explosives on the premises

[QUOTE=Broguts;52431703]You're telling me Israel can kill former nazis who have been in hiding for decades in countries halfway across the planet without those countries knowledge but they can't send guys into an apartment block to seize weapons and make arrests?[/QUOTE] It's more strategic and less political than that. It's easier to phone the residents of the house and tell them to evacuate and then bomb it, than it is to risk the lives of soldiers by potentially send them into a house full of insurgents. Especially now since Hamas and other fighters in Palestine have been getting a fuck load of experience and training fighting in Syria.

[QUOTE=Sky King;52431685] It repeats but get must worse as time go by. Giving Israel billions every year doesnt do shit to end this conflict.[/QUOTE] Then maybe you should stop sending those millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority too, right? [QUOTE=Quark:;52431737]It's easier to just bomb someone's home containing all of their belongings and prized possessions based on a rumor that they're assisting Hamas in some way (which won't be investigated likely) than it is to check if there are actually bombs/weapons/explosives on the premises[/QUOTE] So are you suggesting that we bomb houses based on rumors? I know exactly the reasons and precautions the air force has to take and it certainly beats all that biased bullshit coming out of your posts. You seem to make up so many facts such as no investigation and constant bombing based on rumors. You know whats really annoying? The fact that people read your dumb baseless claims and believe it.

[QUOTE=srobins;52429421]Oh the supreme and unwavering irony of everything that Israel does..[/QUOTE] The Nazis stole the property of Jews and pushed them into ghettos with excuses every bit as ridiculous. Nothing to see here, folks. Just history repeating itself.

[QUOTE=RzDat;52432289]I know exactly the reasons and precautions the air force has to take and it certainly beats all that biased bullshit coming out of your posts.[/QUOTE] Please do tell us the exact reasons and precautions of the air force when it comes to bombing someone's [I]home[/I] beyond repair.

[QUOTE=RzDat;52432289]Then maybe you should stop sending those millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority too, right? So are you suggesting that we bomb houses based on rumors? I know exactly the reasons and precautions the air force has to take and it certainly beats all that biased bullshit coming out of your posts. You seem to make up so many facts such as no investigation and constant bombing based on rumors. You know whats really annoying? The fact that people read your dumb baseless claims and believe it.[/QUOTE] No amount of reasons and precautions can justify bombing a single house in the middle of a whole neighbourhood. You're endangering so many people and in the end you don't even have any proof of whether there actually were any guns or rockets, because you've blown it all up.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52432325]Please do tell us the exact reasons and precautions of the air force when it comes to bombing someone's [I]home[/I] beyond repair.[/QUOTE] Just like intel work the US military has to do by taking the necessary precautions to deal a blow to the insurgents who occupy the house without hurting bystanders. The intel is backed by evidence gathered months ahead and are not just petty rumors like you claim. Theres an entire corps made for gathering field intelligence for christ's sake, why do you think every thing we do is because of some evil plan to torture innocents? Lets see you deal with a group of murderers who blend and hide in a civilian area. [QUOTE=joost1120;52432353]No amount of reasons and precautions can justify bombing a single house in the middle of a whole neighbourhood. You're endangering so many people and in the end you don't even have any proof of whether there actually were any guns or rockets, because you've blown it all up.[/QUOTE] Lets say i serve in the israeli army and know way more than you about reasons to bomb a house in the middle of the neighborhood. Lets also say i have people above me who do this shit for 20+ years and know way better than me and certainly you about precautions and reasons.

[QUOTE=RzDat;52432378]Just like intel work the US military has to do by taking the necessary precautions to deal a blow to the insurgents who occupy the house without hurting bystanders. The intel is backed by evidence gathered months ahead and are not just petty rumors like you claim. Theres an entire corps made for gathering field intelligence for christ's sake, why do you think every thing we do is because of some evil plan to torture innocents? [B]Lets see you deal with a group of murderers who blend and hide in a civilian area.[/B][/QUOTE] We fucking did, it was called the FLQ.

[QUOTE=joost1120;52432353]No amount of reasons and precautions can justify bombing a single house in the middle of a whole neighbourhood. You're endangering so many people and in the end you don't even have any proof of whether there actually were any guns or rockets, because you've blown it all up.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;A_fP6mlNSK8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK8[/video] Hamas fires from civilian areas, Israel returns fire. Tit for tat. Israel wouldn't retaliate if Hamas didn't fire rockets.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52432391][video=youtube;A_fP6mlNSK8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK8[/video] Hamas fires from civilian areas, Israel returns fire. Tit for tat. Israel wouldn't retaliate if Hamas didn't fire rockets.[/QUOTE] What a bullshit reason. A terrorist shot from this town, so all these civilians' lives aren't worth anything.

[QUOTE=Quark:;52432325]Please do tell us the exact reasons and precautions of the air force when it comes to bombing someone's [I]home[/I] beyond repair.[/QUOTE] First, you have multiple spies that confirm the data. Then, you call the people living in that house, telling them that because they have rockets in their house, they are going to be bombed. After that, you drop a "roof knocking" bomb nearby, trying to scare off stragglers. If there are too many civilians around, the airstrike mission is called off but if not, the house is bombed. Don't believe me about Hamas using civilian areas to store rockets, just check with the UN. [URL="http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/UNs-Secretary-General-Palestinian-militants-put-UN-schools-at-risk-during-Gaza-war-399342"]http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/UNs-Secretary-General-Palestinian-militants-put-UN-schools-at-risk-during-Gaza-war-399342[/URL] [QUOTE]N Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon charged that Palestinian militants had stored weapons in three UN facilities during last summer’s Gaza war and that such action was “unacceptable.” “I am dismayed that Palestinian militant groups would put United Nations schools at risk by using them to hide their arms,” Ban said on Monday as he released a summary of a Board of Inquiry probe into events that occurred in UN facilities in July and August. “The three schools at which weaponry was found were empty at the time and were not being used as shelters,” Ban said. "However, the fact that they were used by those involved in the fighting to store their weaponry and, in two cases, probably to fire from is unacceptable.” He also took Israel to task for shelling neutral UN facilities and killing or injuring Palestinians sought shelter there from the bombings that occurred during Operation Protective Edge.[/QUOTE] [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=joost1120;52432404]What a bullshit reason. A terrorist shot from this town, so all these civilians' lives aren't worth anything.[/QUOTE] Israel has literally developed a missile that can shut off after being fired for the [I]specific[/I] purpose of not killing civilians. Please spend a few minutes doing research instead of saying things that are plainly incorrect.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52432409]First, you have multiple spies that confirm the data. Then, you call the people living in that house, telling them that because they have rockets in their house, they are going to be bombed. After that, you drop a "roof knocking" bomb nearby, trying to scare off stragglers. If there are too many civilians around, the airstrike mission is called off but if not, the house is bombed. Don't believe me about Hamas using civilian areas to store rockets, just check with the UN. [URL="http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/UNs-Secretary-General-Palestinian-militants-put-UN-schools-at-risk-during-Gaza-war-399342"]http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/UNs-Secretary-General-Palestinian-militants-put-UN-schools-at-risk-during-Gaza-war-399342[/URL] [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] Israel has literally developed a missile that can shut off after being fired for the [I]specific[/I] purpose of not killing civilians. Please spend a few minutes doing research instead of saying things that are plainly incorrect.[/QUOTE] They've developed a missile that can shut off, and that is relevant how? They are still bombing a town. Sure, a missile that can be aborted in-flight is great, but I am talking about the ones that hit their target.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52432391] Hamas fires from civilian areas, Israel returns fire. Tit for tat. Israel wouldn't retaliate if Hamas didn't fire rockets.[/QUOTE] Though I'm pretty certain the Israeli army has better rockets than whatever Palestine could cludge together

[QUOTE=joost1120;52432468]They've developed a missile that can shut off, and that is relevant how? They are still bombing a town. Sure, a missile that can be aborted in-flight is great, but I am talking about the ones that hit their target.[/QUOTE] Israel has to bomb the town in order to protect themselves from further rockets/mortars being shot at Israel. It's a very precise surgical strike, its not like they are destroying a whole town for shits and giggles? [editline]4th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;52432483]Though I'm pretty certain the Israeli army has better rockets than whatever Palestine could cludge together[/QUOTE] So? Palestinian rockets are dangerous.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52432496]So? Palestinian rockets are dangerous.[/QUOTE] Yeah but you wouldn't compare a bb gun with desert eagle. Sure they're both guns and sure they both can damage, but they're hardly the same.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52432508]Yeah but you wouldn't compare a bb gun with desert eagle. Sure they're both guns and sure they both can damage, but they're hardly the same.[/QUOTE] Ok come on now. The Hamas rockets have killed people before. Don't undermine your argument with hyperbole.

[QUOTE=Broguts;52432514]Ok come on now. The Hamas rockets have killed people before. Don't undermine your argument with hyperbole.[/QUOTE] Did I ever claim they did not

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52432508]Yeah but you wouldn't compare a bb gun with desert eagle. Sure they're both guns and sure they both can damage, but they're hardly the same.[/QUOTE] Your point being?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52432523]Your point being?[/QUOTE] It's like 50 tits for one tat. have a chart [img]http://i.imgur.com/L7syoqd.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Lambeth;52432532]It's like 50 tits for one tat. have a chart [img]http://i.imgur.com/L7syoqd.png[/img][/QUOTE] Yes, it turns out that being stuck in one of the most densely populated areas in the world with a government who is willing to use you as a human shield will lead to you being more likely to be killed. I've already talked about this but the average civilian to enemy combatant death ratio for the US in Iraq/Afganistan was ~7:1. 7 civilians died for every 1 Taliban/insurgent fighter killed. In the last Gaza war, the ratio was around 1:1 or 2:3, depending on who you believed. Civilians will die in war but Israel minimizes civilian deaths. I've outlined how Israel tries to prevent civilian deaths. Google it if you don't believe me.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;52432548]Yes, it turns out that being stuck in one of the most densely populated areas in the world with a government who is willing to use you as a human shield will lead to you being more likely to be killed. I've already talked about this but the average civilian to enemy combatant death ratio for the US in Iraq/Afganistan was ~7:1. 7 civilians died for every 1 Taliban/insurgent fighter killed. In the last Gaza war, the ratio was around 1:1 or 2:3, depending on who you believed. Civilians will die in war but Israel minimizes civilian deaths. I've outlined how Israel tries to prevent civilian deaths. Google it if you don't believe me.[/QUOTE] Israel minimizes civilian deaths by bombing civilians. Don't blame Palestine, Israel is the one killing the civilians.

[QUOTE=joost1120;52432731]Israel minimizes civilian deaths by bombing civilians. Don't blame Palestine, Israel is the one killing the civilians.[/QUOTE] Right, Hamas are firing rockets filled with love and joy towards Israeli civilians now?