• Star of Bethlehem might have actually been Jupiter
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26888244]There are many things it could have been, it could have been a hyper nova for all we know.[/QUOTE] or you know jupiter
It was obviously the nose of rodolph reflecting off the light of the sun while Santa distributed presents for all children in the world.
[QUOTE=Archy;26890357]ITP - I'm a tight ass nerd getting ready to go all religion up in this[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;26889799]facepunch atheists lmao[/QUOTE] Spetzaz pantheist saddowns.
alright so this is what's bugging me the star was in the eastern sky, and the three wise men were from the orient so if they went east they'd end up in japan not bethelehem
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;26902003]alright so this is what's bugging me the star was in the eastern sky, and the three wise men were from the orient so if they went east they'd end up in japan not bethelehem[/QUOTE] They walked backwards
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;26902003]alright so this is what's bugging me the star was in the eastern sky, and the three wise men were from the orient so if they went east they'd end up in japan not bethelehem[/QUOTE] So Jesus was Asian, that's why he didn't get any.. all makes sence.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;26895511]I'm 100% certain that Jesus Christ existed.[/QUOTE] That's called faith and is totally irrelevant. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;26895992]we fucking get it you're cool, you're not average you don't believe it god, holy fuck you're the most hypocritical people I know you're so ridiculously liberal and complain about crazy ass Christians representing all of religion, religion was basically the reason why math, trigonometry, education lasted through the middle ages, if it wasn't for religion we wouldn't have a bunch of wars, but we might not even be here. edit: as you can see from the post above who the fuck cares, why don't you prove to him and be a better person by "turning the other cheek", no that'd be impossible wouldn't it?[/QUOTE] Wah cry some more go to RedState or Fox Nation if this is too liberal.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;26889732]It was a Boeing 747 that's why it was moving[/QUOTE] :lost:
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26896584]Yea but wasnt religion whjy the middle ages or "dark ages" started in the first place[/QUOTE] No. [QUOTE=Taishu;26899601]Egyptian mythology was popular outside of Egypt, especially in the Roman empire, so It wouldn't be that big a surprise. However, I think that Christian mythology steals more from Mithraism, but I'm not certain.[/QUOTE] The reason why we know so little of Mithraism is because it was a mystery cult. It can be expected that early Christians knew about as little; only those initiated were told the secrets. It laid foundation for Christianity, yes, but so did Zoroastrianism in the East and the worship of Apollo as the Sun God and the father of the Emperor in Rome. It's true though that Christians were somewhat open to influence, compared to the rest of the Jews.
Who cares?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26894038]When did being atheist become a bad thing? [/QUOTE] It's not that. It's the way the majority of FP's atheist population behaves. ie. really really really aggressively
[QUOTE=kidwithsword;26888363]And not a shit was given. Cthul[b]h[/b]u[/QUOTE] There's thirty ways to spell that word.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;26902955]That's called faith and is totally irrelevant.[/QUOTE] there is some hard evidence that a man named jesus christ existed, but whether he was the messiah is anyone's guess
[QUOTE=ThePuska;26903558]No. [/QUOTE] What history book have you been reading? and dont you think you can come up with a better answer then that? [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ThePuska;26903558]No. The reason why we know so little of Mithraism is because it was a mystery cult. It can be expected that early Christians knew about as little; only those initiated were told the secrets. It laid foundation for Christianity, yes, but so did Zoroastrianism in the East and the worship of Apollo as the Sun God and the father of the Emperor in Rome. It's true though that Christians were somewhat open to influence, compared to the rest of the Jews.[/QUOTE] Even it wasnt from Egyptian mythology directly it came from it indirectly with the other jesuses before jesus. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;26903762]It's not that. It's the way the majority of FP's atheist population behaves. ie. really really really aggressively[/QUOTE] People on facepunch are aggressive about anything and besides this is a thread about religion. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;26905998]there is some hard evidence that a man named jesus christ existed, but whether he was the messiah is anyone's guess[/QUOTE] give me this evidence. most historians says he was never in any of the writings that were not faked.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;26895511]I'm 100% certain that Jesus Christ existed. Again the question is whether he was really the holy man people thought he was (which I doubt) or just a really good person (which I don't doubt)[/QUOTE] The hell I'm not even 100% certain I exist
[QUOTE=Habsburg;26889605]He did, he just didn't look like this [img_thumb]http://sharpiron.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/classic-jesus.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] He was probably a small, tanned man.
It could have been the light up at the sewage treatment plant.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26910897]What history book have you been reading? and dont you think you can come up with a better answer then that?[/QUOTE] Recently: The Penguin Atlas of Medieval History, Colin McEvedy Euroopan synty: keskiajan historia, Tuomas Heikkilä (probably hasn't been translated into English) Crusades - The Illustrated History, Thomas F. Madden Europe in the Late Middle Ages, edited by John Hale, Roger Highfield and Beryl Smalley The "dark ages" followed the collapse of an empire and no religion was the cause of that.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;26912978]Recently: The Penguin Atlas of Medieval History, Colin McEvedy Euroopan synty: keskiajan historia, Tuomas Heikkilä (probably hasn't been translated into English) Crusades - The Illustrated History, Thomas F. Madden Europe in the Late Middle Ages, edited by John Hale, Roger Highfield and Beryl Smalley The "dark ages" followed the collapse of an empire and no religion was the cause of that.[/QUOTE] The dark ages was caused by christians wanting muslim land. no way around it. yes politics played a part but if it were not for religion it wouldn't happen.
Wait what didn't the Dark Ages happen before the crusades?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;26913517]Wait what didn't the Dark Ages happen before the crusades?[/QUOTE] no the original crusades caused the dark ages.
The cause of the Dark Ages wasn't due to Christianity but the reason the period between Roman collapse and the Renaissance being so long definitely was. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26913527]no the original crusades caused the dark ages.[/QUOTE] The crusades weren't until the 11th century Dark ages span from collapse of Roman empire to middle ages.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26913492]The dark ages was caused by christians wanting muslim land. no way around it. yes politics played a part but if it were not for religion it wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26913527]no the original crusades caused the dark ages.[/QUOTE] Please define the time period
It was a Lockheed Martin Trident D5 MKII, this was right before WWIII of course. And then the world started again.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;26913568]The cause of the Dark Ages wasn't due to Christianity but the reason the period between Roman collapse and the Renaissance being so long definitely was.[/QUOTE] Are you sure that without Christianity there even would have been a Renaissance? Without Christian humanism? With Italian city-states possibly under Muslim control? [editline]24th December 2010[/editline] With a lot of ancient texts permanently lost because there were no Christians to preserve them?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26896584]Yea but wasnt religion whjy the middle ages or "dark ages" started in the first place and the only reason why people who descovered things were apart of the church was because only people arpart of the church could get resources. oh and the killing of any scientist who said anything that didnt agree with the bible didnt help either.[/QUOTE] Rather it was because the central government collapsed to hordes of barbarians, and once things actually started to get any semblance of order again (Middle Ages) the Catholic Church (which behaved more as an empire by religion rather then a religious organization) recognized that progression in education would cause them to lose power, which they didn't want. [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=ThePuska;26913845]Are you sure that without Christianity there even would have been a Renaissance? Without Christian humanism? With Italian city-states possibly under Muslim control? [editline]24th December 2010[/editline] With a lot of ancient texts permanently lost because there were no Christians to preserve them?[/QUOTE] Don't forget that the Crusades introduced Europeans to the wealth of the Far East via the Silk Road, and this lust for goods is originally what caused Spain to begin looking for another route, which caused them to discover the Americas. Oh, and the Crusades caused a massive drop in the number of knights, which caused lords to take control of more and more land the knights previously held, the Crusades (and the Plague) are both to blame for the fall of feudalism and the rise of actual governments.
How would you end up without Christians anyway. The Romans tried hard but didn't succeed. If they couldn't do it, who could?
[QUOTE=ThePuska;26913845]Are you sure that without Christianity there even would have been a Renaissance? Without Christian humanism? [/QUOTE] without religion everyone would be a humanist. "the rise of Christianity, which spread to most corners of Europe and became the accepted philosophical and religious system. As a result, the big thinkers of the early medieval ages(450 AD to 1085 AD) were theologians, who were interested in understanding the makings of the spiritual universe and our place within it, rather than the details of the physical universe." so it had a big part in it.
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