Star of Bethlehem might have actually been Jupiter
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[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26914375]without religion everyone would be a humanist.
"the rise of Christianity, which spread to most corners of Europe and became the accepted philosophical and religious system.
As a result, the big thinkers of the early medieval ages(450 AD to 1085 AD) were theologians, who were interested in understanding the makings of the spiritual universe and our place within it, rather than the details of the physical universe."
so it had a big part in it.[/QUOTE]
If you haven't noticed, religion has always been present everywhere where there are humans. To get rid of religion, something very fundamental about us would have to change. Like our curiosity. If we don't ask questions, there's no need to answer them.
Supposing natural evolution from some primitive apes into a civilization with advanced technology, I'm quite certain that at some point you end up with religion.
[QUOTE=ThePuska;26914791] If we don't ask questions, there's no need to answer them.[/QUOTE]
Thats what science is for. religion is just a meme. A useless meme thats only good at spreading and like all useless memes it shouldnt be around. you say something fundamental would have to change and your right. that something would have to be humans using science. science is special because it shows the truth about memes and the rest of are universe. it doesnt make you believe it and it doesnt give you 72 virgins also its hard to learn so its not that popular, but if people followed it instead of useless memes politics, religion and every other aspect of are life would change for the better.
[QUOTE=meatballfish;26888798]Honestly I don't see why anything Godly (provided true) would need a scientific explanation to you guys. If God truly were an omnipotent being, then couldn't he do anything he wished, without needing any science behind it?[/QUOTE]
And if "god" was all "good" and all "knowing" wouldn't he realize that Adam and Eve were going to sin, yet he did nothing to prevent it. We are after all taught that we sined and the only way back into his heart is through jesus christ, which i find super funny because why create something and blame us for the mistakes that the creator made....IE making us sinful.
Don't give me the lame ass christian excuse that god is "testing" us. Ask any philospher in the world and they will tear your reasoning apart, A true loving and all knowing and all powerful god would never allow his "children" to be put through war, famine, diease, murder, or any other type of crime.
End point.
This actually gets kind of ironic once you realize that Jupiter is the Roman King of the Gods, and you think of what the Romans did to Jesus.
Who cares?
[QUOTE=Explosions;26918885]Who cares?[/QUOTE]
science and people who like knowing things.
It was ill-equipped aliens who tried to visit Jesus but burnt up in the atmosphere.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26913492]The dark ages was caused by christians wanting muslim land. no way around it. yes politics played a part but if it were not for religion it wouldn't happen.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure you mean the crusades. The dark ages were caused by the collapse of the western part of the roman empire and the loss of more advanced sciences and other things, along with all the wars and barbarians. I'm probably wrong though.
Swamp Gas.
[QUOTE=Themage;26947204]Pretty sure you mean the crusades. The dark ages were caused by the collapse of the western part of the roman empire and the loss of more advanced sciences and other things, along with all the wars and barbarians. I'm probably wrong though.[/QUOTE]
which was caused by christians, not completely though
To me the Bible is mostly collective interpretation of events that happened. But the records and events were far in the past, and written in another language, so things tend to get kinda jumbled over the course of a few thousand years.
Not like it matters, the nativity shit never happened anyway.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26948100]which was caused by christians, not completely though[/QUOTE]
The Roman Empire was already well on it's way to dying by then, Christianity wasn't even close to being the primary (or even secondary) cause of the empire falling.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;26962711]The Roman Empire was already well on it's way to dying by then, Christianity wasn't even close to being the primary (or even secondary) cause of the empire falling.[/QUOTE]
what makes you say this. almost all historians think christianity was the main reason.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;26962748]what makes you say this. almost all historians think christianity was the main reason.[/QUOTE]
Example? So you're saying it wasn't the degradation of traditional Roman morals, mass inflation, disease, a weakening power base, a corrupt military, or the decay of the ruling class?
Really, point me to a couple credible historians that say the primary reason the Western Roman Empire fill was not because of the examples I gave, but rather because of Christianity.
Degradation of traditional Roman morals?
One of those would probably be making Christianity the state religion.
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;26964047]Degradation of traditional Roman morals?
One of those would probably be making Christianity the state religion.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, the Eastern Roman Empire lasted another 1,000 years with Christianity as its state religion, and in fact under the leadership of Justinian I were able to retake the entirety of Italy, the southern half of Spain, and North Africa.
Also, I was talking about the erosion of Roman values involving civic duty, which was gradually replaced by the "bread and circuses" style approach to appeasement in the later years of the Roman Empire (keep the public happy with free food and entertainment, instead of good public service or policy.)
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Strange, 3 pages of discussion and no "Jewpiter" jokes?
Jupiter? More like [B]jew[/B]piter! :fuckyou:
[sp]Happy?[/sp]
My user name nullifies any post I make towards a thread like this.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;26895511]I'm 100% certain that Jesus Christ existed. Again the question is whether he was really the holy man people thought he was (which I doubt) or just a really good person (which I don't doubt)[/QUOTE]
I agree, he was just a person who wanted to make the world a better place and in my opinion he succeeded even though it backfired a bit with the crusades.
[QUOTE=Robber;26980733]I agree, he was just a person who wanted to make the world a better place and in my opinion he succeeded even though it backfired a bit with the crusades.[/QUOTE]
But there isnt really any proof that he even existed and a lot of proof that he was just based off of other prophets before him.
Praise the gas giant!!!!!!!!
it was the mighty goatman looking down on mankind
It was just mushrooms.
It was the atheists playing a prank.
I don't get why everyone is finding the article funny.
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