• Trump reacts to Muslim soldier father Khizr Khan's rebuke
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If you're gonna vote for trump, find the nearest cliff and kindly fall off it.
[QUOTE=wystan;50804518]If you think Trump is a racist you're more blind than you think I am[/QUOTE] Blocking entrance to a nation of immigrants based on race or religious affiliation is extremely racist and discriminatory.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50805918]Securing the border isn't racist, but banning Muslims from coming into the country as well as immigration from Muslim countries in general sure as hell is. Even if it isn't technically racist because Muslim is a religion and not a race, it's still bigoted and a really shitty thing to do. And out of curiosity, how will this prevent the radicalization of homegrown terrorists? The guy who shot up the Pulse nightclub was an American citizen born and bred.[/QUOTE] I'm not denying domestic terrorism isn't a problem. There just isn't any reason to risk taking in people from a part of the world that is full of our enemies. Taking in mass groups of refugees is plain irresponsible.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805926]No, it's common sense. How many more innocent people have to be murdered in Europe before you realize there is a problem?[/QUOTE] No, it's literal racism. If he were say, calling for the banning of immigration from specific problem countries, then I can see it being reasonable. But no, clearly all muslims are terrorists and must be banned.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805947]I'm not denying domestic terrorism isn't a problem. There just isn't any reason to risk taking in people from a part of the world that is full of our enemies. Taking in mass groups of refugees is plain irresponsible.[/QUOTE] And letting them all die is responsible? Letting the whole burden fall to the countries around them, when they struggle to handle even their own needs, is responsible? To avoid, what, an overblown threat that doesn't come from the refugees themselves, but the people they're running away from? Those refugees, they're not enemies, they're potential allies you're willing to get rid of and let die because of their religion and where they come from. Tell me - which will fuel extremism more? Showing that IS is wrong, that we accept people for who they are, and as long as they follow our laws and customs, they are welcomed as one of us? Or showing the refugees that IS is 'right' - that Western people hate them? Tell me, which fuels more extremism?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50805918]Securing the border isn't racist, but banning Muslims from coming into the country as well as immigration from Muslim countries in general sure as hell is. Even if it isn't technically racist because Muslim is a religion and not a race, it's still bigoted and a really shitty thing to do. And out of curiosity, how will this prevent the radicalization of homegrown terrorists? The guy who shot up the Pulse nightclub was an American citizen born and bred. Nobody wants radicals to enter into the country, but you can't introduce measures that lead to the suffering of innocents who want to flee from war torn countries and try and seek a new life somewhere else free from the threat of terrorism. Also, barring some Minority Report style system of reading minds, you won't be able to weed out every determined crook from finding a way across the borders. Mass surveillance and data gathering cannot prevent every single terror attack from occurring. To stop terrorism, you have to make the ideology unattractive to the disenchanted.[/QUOTE] Please quote the part of the constitution where it is states that the United States has to take in refugees. Also quote the part where immigration into the country is a right for every person on earth It's not. The suffering of people in war torn countries is not the problem of the United States. Countries are not altruistic entities.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805969]Please quote the part of the constitution where it is states that the United States has to take in refugees. Also quote the part where immigration into the country is a right for every person on earth It's not. The suffering of people in war torn countries is not the problem of the United States. Countries are not altruistic entities.[/QUOTE] It's amazing just how little empathy you have for people who happened to be born in a different country from you.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805969]Please quote the part of the constitution where it is states that the United States has to take in refugees. Also quote the part where immigration into the country is a right for every person on earth It's not. The suffering of people in war torn countries is not the problem of the United States. Countries are not altruistic entities.[/QUOTE] "They're not from here, so let them suffer. Sucks to be them." Wow Mr. Humanitarian, calm down~
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50805959]And letting them all die is responsible? Letting the whole burden fall to the countries around them, when they struggle to handle even their own needs, is responsible? To avoid, what, an overblown threat that doesn't come from the refugees themselves, but the people they're running away from? Those refugees, they're not enemies, they're potential allies you're willing to get rid of and let die because of their religion and where they come from. Tell me - which will fuel extremism more? Showing that IS is wrong, that we accept people for who they are, and as long as they follow our laws and customs, they are welcomed as one of us? Or showing the refugees that IS is 'right' - that Western people hate them? Tell me, which fuels more extremism?[/QUOTE] Letting them all die is an over exaggeration. Syria and other countries are not facing a mass extinction. It's more responsible to fix the problem at the root than to move a small fraction of the people affected into the western world.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805892]When you go on stage to push a political agenda, you're fair game for rebuttal. If I was trump I'd be mad too. He goes up to perpetuate the same story that the media democrats want to portray, that trump hates everyone but white males. He does so stating oversimplifications and while standing on his sons grave. Securing the border with a wall and banning immigration from Muslim countries isn't racist nor is it against the constitution. Get over yourself Mr Khan edit: Their son is a hero, but maybe they forgot that he was killed by a Muslim fanatic, the same ones we don't want in the US[/QUOTE] Did you watch the RNC? Because I recall there being lots more testimonies to push the "Mexicans are criminals and rapists, so we must secure the border" agenda. They did everything you claim to be mad about.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805978]Letting them all die is an over exaggeration. Syria and other countries are not facing a mass extinction. It's more responsible to fix the problem at the root than to move a small fraction of the people affected into the western world.[/QUOTE] They are facing a genocide. Or are you gonna be a tiny version of Turkey and rebut that?
The US Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." [B]"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."[/B] Consider this, too: your country is built upon immigration. Unless you're Native American, you would never have been there otherwise. Your country is supposed to show that people of different races, religions and cultures can come together in a spirit of unity to achieve - and that has been proven time and time again to be true. But there have been also times where discrimination took place, where people such as the Irish were treated badly, mocked and caricatured. And yet we have placed such a huge role in your history, in your life. You might even have Irish blood in your body. To throw away all that - what, based on the fears of people of a different race, of a different religion - goes against everything your country stands for. The spirit of the American dream. EDIT: [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805978]Letting them all die is an over exaggeration. Syria and other countries are not facing a mass extinction. It's more responsible to fix the problem at the root than to move a small fraction of the people affected into the western world.[/QUOTE] I didn't realise that a few million people didn't matter like that, thanks. Have you seen the war footage from Syria? An estimated 400,000 have died of a population of 17,064,854. Millions more have been displaced. What, that's nothing? And what is the problem at the root of... what, exactly? Because I don't see the States making any moves to fix said problem, besides airstrikes.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805892]Their son is a hero, but maybe they forgot that he was killed by a Muslim fanatic, the same ones we don't want in the US[/QUOTE] Don't call somebody a hero if you're immediately going to imply people who worship what he does are terrorists. But yeah, 'get over yourself Mr. Khan', as if you have any idea what he has gone through or seen. Mr. Khan lost his son in the War on Terror, and now sees the most popular right candidate and the majority of the American right accuse him and everyone who worships what he does as terrorists. You can't wrap your head around how what Trump says is discriminator and how doing what he says will only further harm the Islamic community, and fuck it you're probably nodding your head and going "YEAH FUCK THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY" so why am I even bothering.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50805980]Did you watch the RNC? Because I recall there being lots more testimonies to push the "Mexicans are criminals and rapists, so we must secure the border" agenda. They did everything you claim to be mad about.[/QUOTE] Find me a real quote in context rather than that nonsense.
I guess we should just tear down the Statue of Liberty. Cuz I mean, her motto is... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. To spread the light of liberty world-wide for every land."
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805947]I'm not denying domestic terrorism isn't a problem. There just isn't any reason to risk taking in people from a part of the world that is full of our enemies. Taking in mass groups of refugees is plain irresponsible.[/QUOTE] What is that "part of the world" you refer to though? A ban on Muslims wouldn't affect just the Middle East, it would affect immigration from any country with a reasonably large population of Muslims that can afford travel. Even just majority Muslim countries stretch from Africa to the Middle East, central Europe, into South East Asia. I feel like there is a middle ground between completely open unfiltered immigration and a complete ban and the fact that no one is asking for the former and you seemingly desire the latter makes me think you are being a bit disingenuous.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50805987]The US Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." [B]"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."[/B] Consider this, too: your country is built upon immigration. Unless you're Native American, you would never have been there otherwise. Your country is supposed to show that people of different races, religions and cultures can come together in a spirit of unity to achieve - and that has been proven time and time again to be true. But there have been also times where discrimination took place, where people such as the Irish were treated badly, mocked and caricatured. And yet we have placed such a huge role in your history, in your life. You might even have Irish blood in your body. To throw away all that - what, based on the fears of people of a different race, of a different religion - goes against everything your country stands for. The spirit of the American dream.[/QUOTE] As much as the media wants you to believe it, your freedoms are going nowhere dude. Muslims will always be able to do as they please in the US.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805926]No, it's common sense. How many more innocent people have to be murdered in Europe before you realize there is a problem?[/QUOTE] It'd be common sense for the entire world to ban americans from ever leaving their country because of literally daily shootings
Trump getting elected would be an [i]enormous[/i] boost to radical Islam.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50805994]I guess we should just tear down the Statue of Liberty. Cuz I mean, her motto is... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. To spread the light of liberty world-wide for every land."[/QUOTE] Just add an asterisk and chisel in fine print below *Terms and conditions apply.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805998]As much as the media wants you to believe it, your freedoms are going nowhere dude. Muslims will always be able to do as they please in the US.[/QUOTE] FUCKING GOOD. Everybody should be allowed to follow their dreams and make it in this country, REGARDLESS of their religion.
[QUOTE=Shark Bones;50805994]I guess we should just tear down the Statue of Liberty. Cuz I mean, her motto is... "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. To spread the light of liberty world-wide for every land."[/QUOTE] A peice of art given to us by the French does not determine our policies.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806007]A peice of art given to us by the French does not determine our policies.[/QUOTE] We gave her the motto, not the French.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50805999]It'd be common sense for the entire world to ban americans from ever leaving their country because of literally daily shootings[/QUOTE] If Americans were constantly killing people overseas I would agree with you.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805998]As much as the media wants you to believe it, your freedoms are going nowhere dude. Muslims will always be able to do as they please in the US.[/QUOTE] Trump literally called for Muslims to wear an identifying symbol. Do you remember who else did this? [url]http://newsexaminer.net/politics/donald-trump-introduces-refugee-muslim-badges/[/url] [quote]“They are a danger to our Christian way of life in America, it’s that simple,” Trump said. ‘The Muslims, they want us dead, we know that for a fact. The refugees are joining ISIS and are pouring into our country like that. They both hate our freedom and way of life, you can’t argue that. By enforcing and requiring these possible terrorists to wear badges at all time they can be easily identified and tracked if necessary. This is nothing like the badges the Jews had to wear during the Holocaust, that was different, but you know, it’s the same thing. These are tough times right now and I’m just saying what everyone else is too afraid to say. We can take back America, we just need to work together, it’s never too late.”[/quote] Now tell me if you think that a man who had the brass balls to say such a monumentally fucked up thing isn't going to try and carry it out.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806015]If Americans were constantly killing people overseas I would agree with you.[/QUOTE] UHM UHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805998]As much as the media wants you to believe it, your freedoms are going nowhere dude. Muslims will always be able to do as they please in the US.[/QUOTE] Except, you know, come to the United States. As they please. And why stop there, when they're such a danger, apparently? Do you not think this will go further, considering the forces at work Trump has released? He's already called for them to wear identifying stars. If you don't think that a Republican controlled government can infringe on the rights of the people - you need only look at the NSA and the Patriot Act for your proof of your freedom and rights.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806015]If Americans were constantly killing people overseas I would agree with you.[/QUOTE] Banning attackers from a certain country might be sensible depending on the circumstances. What you want is to ban an entire religion. Even forgoing the moral arguments, how would such a policy even be enforced? [editline]31st July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805998]As much as the media wants you to believe it, your freedoms are going nowhere dude. Muslims will always be able to do as they please in the US.[/QUOTE] how can they do as they please in the US if they can't get into the US. are you reading your own posts. also the scary part isn't the ban, it's what happens after we institute such a ban and it fails to stop a terrorist attack. what will people do next?
That's the thing about the Muslim ban - it simply would not work, since any terrorist would simply deny being a Muslim. So the net result would be to deny millions of innocent people entry into America, whilst simultaneously massively lowering your global respect and souring your relationship with all of your allies. For no gain whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50806022]Banning attackers from a certain country might be sensible depending on the circumstances.[/QUOTE] Which is what his latest proposal is
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