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[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806158]Nowhere did I say every Muslim is a terrorist, nor did Donald, nor did any person ever.[/QUOTE] He never openly says any of this shit because to do so would be political suicide. At any rate though, it would really endear him to his typical vote bank who're also largely racist.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50806142]is this racist enough for you?[/QUOTE] [I]1989[/I]
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806158]Nowhere did I say every Muslim is a terrorist, nor did Donald, nor did any person ever.[/QUOTE] you just said we should shut our borders down to countries that are dangerous. Why are they dangerous? because apparently every single muslim from there wants to blow us up, that's why.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806135]That's a second hand quote. But nice try. [editline]31st July 2016[/editline] Are you actually arguing for open borders?[/QUOTE] More than 1 source has reported on it NY Times:[url]http://www.nytimes.com/1991/07/14/books/the-down-side-of-the-donald.html[/url] Raw Story:[url]https://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/black-guys-counting-my-money-i-hate-it-heres-what-you-would-look-like-if-you-talked-like-donald-trump/[/url] Huffington:[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/donald-trump-blacks-lawsuit_n_855553.html[/url] Fair.Org:[url]http://fair.org/take-action/media-advisories/ignoring-trumps-record-of-racism/[/url]
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806166]What are you even saying? Mountains of corpses? Please[/QUOTE] Are you seriously denying the wars the US waged years ago?
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50805969]Please quote the part of the constitution where it is states that the United States has to take in refugees. Also quote the part where immigration into the country is a right for every person on earth It's not. The suffering of people in war torn countries is not the problem of the United States. Countries are not altruistic entities.[/QUOTE] You realize that American meddling during the cold war directly lead to many of the current problems in the Middle East, right?
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50806177]He hasn't said that though, why do you think that is his current stance? Whether or not he says it's a temporary ban is meaningless when we don't know how long the ban will be in place for or what aspects of the system need to be improved.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-donald-trump-muslim-ban-20160625-story.html[/url] He said it a month ago after Ryan, Pence, and every other sensible person told him how fucking retarded he was
[QUOTE=SebiWarrior;50806185]Are you seriously denying the wars the US waged years ago?[/QUOTE] Even forgoing those wars it's kind of fucked up to say that the United States should maintain an active combat footing over Syria with airstrikes and supply drops to """moderate""" rebels and then when these airstrike and rebels reduce cities and villages to rubble, tell civilians to fuck off.
Here's an interesting source on [URL="http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/"]times when Trump has gotten into trouble over race. To note:[/URL] [quote]The latest controversy is not a surprise to those who have followed his career. Is Donald Trump racist? That question has hung over the presumptive Republican nominee for president as he has called Mexicans “rapists” and proposed a ban on Muslims entering the U.S. Lately, though, the question has taken on more urgency as Trump has repeatedly publicly attacked the judge who presides over Trump University class-action lawsuits. Calling the American-born Gonzalo Curiel a “Mexican,” he said Curiel was therefore biased against him, and he added to the flurry of objections by suggesting that a Muslim judge might also be incapable of hearing a lawsuit involving any Trump entity. In between these remarks he managed to offend by singling out a black man at one of his rallies, calling him “my African American” as if the fellow’s presence proved Trump was on the right side of the race issue. For the long followers of Trump’s career, however, none of these incendiary remarks are especially surprising. Trump has a long record as a provocateur on matters of race and ethnicity. It starts in 1973, when the United States Department of Justice went to court with a discrimination complaint against the Trump family business, which rented apartments across Brooklyn and Queens. Coming from the administration of Richard Nixon, who was hardly a civil rights agitator, the complaint was based on an investigation that found four different Trump employees confirming that applicants for leases were screened by race. One rental agent said Trump’s father had told him not to rent to blacks and that he actually wanted to reduce the number of African Americans in his buildings. Three doormen said they had been instructed to deflect blacks who came to Trump buildings to apply for apartments. Though just 26 years old at the time, Donald Trump was already president of the Trump Organization. Rather than work with the government to bring the company into compliance with the law, as the New York apartment king Sam LeFrak had done, Trump retained one of the most notorious lawyers in the country, Roy Cohn, and commence an all-out legal war. Cohn, who had been Joe McCarthy’s chief inquisitor during the senator’s witch hunt for communists in the government, filed a $410 million lawsuit against the federal government and smeared the justice department attorneys with terms such as “storm troopers” and “Gestapo.” Trump complained in the press of “reverse discrimination” and alleged a “nationwide drive” to force landlords to “rent to welfare recipients.”[/quote] I'll edit later to include more quotes.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50806178]He never openly says any of this shit because to do so would be political suicide. At any rate though, it would really endear him to his typical vote bank who're also largely racist.[/QUOTE] Yeah so he doesn't say it, but you just know that he thinks that right?
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50806190][url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-donald-trump-muslim-ban-20160625-story.html[/url] He said it a month ago after Ryan, Pence, and every other sensible person told him how fucking retarded he was[/QUOTE] But even then, what constitutes terrorist heavy? Would French muslims be denied seeing how it's been a prime target these last years?
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806166]What are you even saying? Mountains of corpses? Please[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/aug/10/afghanistan-civilian-casualties-statistics[/url]
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50806196]Here's an interesting source on [URL="http://fortune.com/2016/06/07/donald-trump-racism-quotes/"]times when Trump has gotten into trouble over race. To note:[/URL] I'll edit later to include more quotes.[/QUOTE] Link full quotes with context that isn't edited by the media to push an agenda.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806197]Yeah so he doesn't say it, but you just know that he thinks that right?[/QUOTE] On the flip side, please give us examples why you think Trump isn't a racist or bigoted against Muslims that aren't poor attempts at backpedaling.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50806190][url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-donald-trump-muslim-ban-20160625-story.html[/url] He said it a month ago after Ryan, Pence, and every other sensible person told him how fucking retarded he was[/QUOTE] terrorist heavy is such a vague term, you might as well say the US is a terrorist heavy nation with the mass shootings going on.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50806210]On the flip side, please give us examples why you think Trump isn't a racist or bigoted against Muslims that aren't poor attempts at backpedaling.[/QUOTE] Um the burden of proof is on you. That's like me asking you to prove you're not gay. [editline]31st July 2016[/editline] I know its hard to believe, that Trump isn't actually the hyper racist that the media portrays him out to be.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;50806213]terrorist heavy is such a vague term, you might as well say the US is a terrorist heavy nation with the mass shootings going on.[/QUOTE] It's not vague. Terrorist heavy states is pretty straight forward. Are there entire cities controlled by terrorists in the US? Are there in France? Are there in Syria? Guess which country gets banned.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50806190][url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-donald-trump-muslim-ban-20160625-story.html[/url] He said it a month ago after Ryan, Pence, and every other sensible person told him how fucking retarded he was[/QUOTE] But when pushed he refuses to walk away from his original proposal and when asked if he is rolling back replies no, it's an expansion. It really just seems like he wants to have his cake and eat it too.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806219]Um the burden of proof is on you. That's like me asking you to prove you're not gay.[/QUOTE] I, just.....what is this logic? In a Argument both sides should make their point to the best of their ability, not just throw I'm right because you can't prove otherwise around. [editline]31st July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806219]Um the burden of proof is on you. That's like me asking you to prove you're not gay. [editline]31st July 2016[/editline] I know its hard to believe, that Trump isn't actually the hyper racist that the media portrays him out to be.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Redcoat893;50804939]"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. ... And some, I assume, are good people" "The wall will go up and Mexico will start behaving" “Laziness is a trait in the blacks. ... Black guys counting my money! I hate it.” “The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yamakas every day.” Source: [url]http://presidential-candidates.insidegov.com/stories/5187/23-ridiculously-offensive-donald-trump-quotes#8[/url][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50806225]It's not vague. Terrorist heavy states is pretty straight forward. Are there entire cities controlled by terrorists in the US? Are there in France? Are there in Syria? Guess which country gets banned.[/QUOTE] It's a lot vaguer than listing specific countries as you do in an attempt to sell it as his policy position.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806219]Um the burden of proof is on you. That's like me asking you to prove you're not gay.[/QUOTE] We've provided our side of the story through multiple quotes and links, but all you've done is been dismissive and ignored evidence based on technicalities. At one point you've pretty much said 'if they aren't American citizens, sucks to be them!'. I think it's time you told us where you stand, and by extension, where Trump stands on bigotry and racism, and provided some examples on why you believe he isn't bigoted or racist. Any good discussion has sources provided on both sides, and both sides have the right to refute proof with evidence and factual statements.
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;50806229]I, just.....what is this logic? In a Argument both sides should make their point to the best of their ability, not just throw I'm right because you can't prove otherwise around. [editline]31st July 2016[/editline][/QUOTE] usually when someone makes a claim, you have to back it up with factual proof. That's why its called innocent before proven guilty.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806238]usually when someone makes a claim, you have to back it up with factual proof. That's why its called innocent before proven guilty.[/QUOTE] That's only for murder cases, actually.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;50806225]It's not vague. Terrorist heavy states is pretty straight forward. Are there entire cities controlled by terrorists in the US? Are there in France? Are there in Syria? Guess which country gets banned.[/QUOTE] so ban the baltic states then since they also have terrorists, france, UK, germany, fuck the entire world because theres terrorists everywhere.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806238]usually when someone makes a claim, you have to back it up with factual proof. That's why its called innocent before proven guilty.[/QUOTE] Exactly, you're making my point. PROVIDE SOME PROOF YOU NINCOMPOOP!
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806238]usually when someone makes a claim, you have to back it up with factual proof. That's why its called innocent before proven guilty.[/QUOTE] You'll just dismiss the evidence based on "liberal bias"
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50806235]We've provided our side of the story through multiple quotes and links, but all you've done is been dismissive and ignored evidence based on technicalities. At one point you've pretty much said 'if they aren't American citizens, sucks to be them!'. I think it's time you told us where you stand, and by extension, where Trump stands on bigotry and racism, and provided some examples on why you believe he isn't bigoted or racist. Any good discussion has sources provided on both sides, and both sides have the right to refute proof with evidence and factual statements.[/QUOTE] I didn't say 'if they aren't American citizens, sucks to be them!'. It's actually kind of tiring being quoted like that. I can only imagine how it feels to be an actual politician. You didn't provide any facts. You provided a second hand quote, which isn't proof of anything. I want to see facts and by facts I mean real quotes that are on the record and recorded that show proof of actual discrimination or racism.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;50806249]so ban the baltic states then since they also have terrorists, france, UK, germany, fuck the entire world because theres terrorists everywhere.[/QUOTE] Huh. Wasn't aware that those countries were terrorist [I]states[/I] with terrorists running rampant killing, raping, enslaving women, and making millions a day off oil. Strange.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806238]usually when someone makes a claim, you have to back it up with factual proof. That's why its called innocent before proven guilty.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/17/central-park-five-donald-trump-jogger-rape-case-new-york#img-2[/url] Remember this advertisement? He knew what he was doing when he ran this ad, even though there was no actual proof of the accused kids having committed the crime. And suppose they would've been hanged as a result of his irresponsibility, what then huh? A "sucks to be those kids for being at the wrong place and the wrong time", a check of compensation money to the traumatized family, and a gross miscarriage of justice that could have become a precedent?
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;50806260]I didn't say 'if they aren't American citizens, sucks to be them!'. It's actually kind of tiring being quoted like that. I can only imagine how it feels to be an actual politician. You didn't provide any facts. You provided a second hand quote, which isn't proof of anything. I want to see facts and by facts I mean real quotes that are on the record and recorded that show proof of actual discrimination or racism.[/QUOTE] "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. ... And some, I assume, are good people" "The wall will go up and Mexico will start behaving" :EDIT: [url]http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2015/06/25/29292957/[/url]
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