NVIDIA announces the GTX 980 Ti priced at $650, GTX 980's price slashed to $500
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[QUOTE=Levelog;47850830]That's changed a bit with nerfs to the Titan line the Titan X got. It's basically an expensive gaming card now.
[editline]1st June 2015[/editline]
The Titan is a full, non cut down chip. The 980ti is not. Same as the 970 is more cut down than the 980.[/QUOTE]Since the Titan got all the actual Tesla compute features taken out of it, the only point to it now is so you can brag to some people on a forum, especially since this 980 Ti seems to keep up with it.
[QUOTE=Dah-thla;47850866]Are you kidding. I just bought the 980 like a week ago.[/QUOTE]
I'll buy yours for 50 dollars. At least there's some residual value right?
[QUOTE=Dah-thla;47850866]Are you kidding. I just bought the 980 like a week ago.[/QUOTE]
You should've been a bit more patient and done some reading, the 980Ti did NOT come as a surprise.
It was a question of when, not if.
Alternatively, if you bought an EVGA one you can trade it in for a 980Ti and only pay the difference.
[QUOTE=paul simon;47850884]Alternatively, if you bought an EVGA one you can trade it in for a 980Ti and only pay the difference.[/QUOTE]
EVGA is so kind.
[QUOTE=paul simon;47850884]You should've been a bit more patient and done some reading, the 980Ti did NOT come as a surprise.
It was a question of when, not if.
Alternatively, if you bought an EVGA one you can trade it in for a 980Ti and only pay the difference.[/QUOTE]
Nvidia even announced when a little bit ago...
[editline]1st June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;47850870]Since the Titan got all the actual Tesla compute features taken out of it, the only point to it now is so you can brag to some people on a forum, especially since this 980 Ti seems to keep up with it.[/QUOTE]
I feel like nvidia went "well our workstation card sales aren't going down, why put in the extra effort?"
[QUOTE=Svinnik;47848053]Can't wait for AMD's response to this.[/QUOTE]
The 300 series and Fury(390x HBM card) hopefully destroying Nvidia
[QUOTE=Jelman;47851022]The 300 series and Fury(390x HBM card) hopefully destroying Nvidia[/QUOTE]
390 and 390x are both HBM cards. Fury will be separate titan esque card.
[QUOTE=Jelman;47851022]The 300 series and Fury(390x HBM card) hopefully destroying Nvidia[/QUOTE]
Even though I'm an Nvidia fanboy, AMD needs to wreck Nvidia for a couple years. It's about time.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;47851359]Even though I'm an Nvidia fanboy, AMD needs to wreck Nvidia for a couple years. It's about time.[/QUOTE]
I just want some goddamn competition. Look at what's happening to SSD performance/prices and monitor resolutions/refresh rate.
[QUOTE=Levelog;47851373]I just want some goddamn competition. Look at what's happening to SSD performance/prices and monitor resolutions/refresh rate.[/QUOTE]
Once a few companies proved that people wanted 4k screens, suddenly everyone has one.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;47851389]Once a few companies proved that people wanted 4k screens, suddenly everyone has one.[/QUOTE]
Not only that but 144hz 21:9's as well as 144hz 1440p IPS screens. Funny thing is Acer is pushing a lot of this. Never thought I'd ever praise them for anything.
Ive got a 780ti classified. Ive even tried a 980 ftw oc version in my system and it was marginally better not worth it and returned it. The 980ti however 30-35% increase in fps compared to a 980. Seems like im upgrading soon. I really have shortcomings with my 980 or 780ti ever since I got a 1440p 144hz ips display. I believe i need sli 980 to pull it off but i prefer single solution cards and this is first maxwell card that isnt disappointing in price/performance. Both 970 and 980ti now. 980 however is shit compared to wat u get and since last generation.
Im really dying for more performance without spending 2k on titan x sli setup. And as far im aware im not only one for with those of a 1440p or 4k system.
Probably about time to upgrade from my 660ti, but i've got just about enough money to eat nothing but pasta for the time being. On the plus side, it'll probably be even cheaper by the time I do manage to get a job.
I'm just hoping that this'll bring the 980 classy with a waterblock's value far down in the used market. A 980ti classy/lightning is a bit out of my budget.
[QUOTE=Nidhogg;47848656]God dammit, and I JUST bought a 980 GTX last week. :T[/QUOTE]
Don't be bothered man - you've still got an excellent card that will last you pretty much the same time as a Ti would.
[QUOTE=Stopper;47851499]Don't be bothered man - you've still got an excellent card that will last you pretty much the same time as a Ti would.[/QUOTE]
No his video card is now an outdated piece of poo.
Maybe its time I upgrade from my 550 Ti, its already starting to blue screen on me when I play Dota and fails to respond every now and then so I guess I got my dollars worth out of it. :v:
Although Im leaning a bit towards AMD for the 290x to give them a shot.
It's pretty sad my 780Ti can't max Advanced Warfare or GTA, been needing an upgrade. Probably holding off till August or something though and buy myself a new rig as a birthday present (since my family doesn't do presents)
Given NVIDIA did exactly the same pricing change with the 780/780Ti a while back you'd be silly to not see this happening again.
Why do people bother with SLI.
The shits terrible, I can't fucking stand microstutter.
On paper yeah might be getting 120 fps but on the screen it looks like a wonky 30 fps
I might pick up a 980Ti for the single card performance
three point five
[QUOTE=Big Johnson;47851649]Why do people bother with SLI.
The shits terrible, I can't fucking stand microstutter.
On paper yeah might be getting 120 fps but on the screen it looks like a wonky 30 fps
I might pick up a 980Ti for the single card performance[/QUOTE]
Because not everyone plays shitty console ports. There are plenty of games that do SLI really well with no stuttering.
[QUOTE=IrishBandit;47849756][URL]http://www.evga.com/support/stepup/[/URL]
EVGA has really good support, it should be easy.[/QUOTE]
Damn it, 8 days off the mark. I wonder if I ask them nicely enough it might happen.
[QUOTE=nask;47851858]Damn it, 8 days off the mark. I wonder if I ask them nicely enough it might happen.[/QUOTE]
My expereinces with EVGA support has been nothing but spectacular. They messed up a rushed order of mine a couple years back, they refunded 25% of my purchase, and ordered the card for me on newegg. They also gave me a free copy of Borderlands 2.
[QUOTE=Jelman;47851022]The 300 series and Fury(390x HBM card) hopefully destroying Nvidia[/QUOTE]
Unless they do some serious shit with those cards in terms of performance and price I really can't see AMD being a solid competitor.
[QUOTE=The freeman;47853029]Unless they do some serious shit with those cards in terms of performance and price I really can't see AMD being a solid competitor.[/QUOTE]
Why not? The R9 200 series were really a solid competitor against the 700 series performance wise.
[QUOTE=The freeman;47853029]Unless they do some serious shit with those cards in terms of performance and price I really can't see AMD being a solid competitor.[/QUOTE]
High-Bandwidth Memory.
The biggest single factor in graphics performance is memory bandwidth. That's a nice, simple number: memory bus width * memory bus clock * transfers per clock. You get a result in bits/second or bytes/second.
Nvidia does high memory bus clocks. Their top-end cards (980 Ti, 780 Ti, every Titan) run 384-bit buses. Under that (980, 770) are 256-bit buses, then 192-bit (660, some 760s) and 128-bit (960, 750 Ti) and everything below that is crap. They clock at ridiculously high clocks - 1750MHz is common for most of their upper-tier cards. And GDDR5 is a quad-pumped design, so four transfers per clock (some people multiply this into the clock rate, giving 7GHz for that 1750MHz actual clock, but that's somewhat misleading).
Anyways, for that top-tier, that's 384 bits/transfer * 1750MHz * 4 transfers/clock = 2688 gigabits/second. And for second-tier cards, 1792 Gb/s.
AMD's current releases tend towards wider, slower buses. Their top-end cards rock 512-bit buses (290, 290X), with their second-tier cards at 384 bits (280, 280X) and so on. But they run at a lower speed - 1250MHz on the top-end, 1500MHz on some of the slightly smaller ones. There's engineering reasons why you can't simply run a wide bus at the same high speed - it's honestly a bit impressive that they got to 1250MHz on such a wide bus.
So their top-tier current cards are running 512 bits/transfer * 1250MHz * 4 transfers/clock = 2560 Gb/s. Which is within spitting distance of Nvidia's top-tier memory speeds. And AMD's second-tier cards are up to 2304 Gb/s, beating Nvidia pretty handily.
HBM, which AMD is starting to use with their next generation, is taking that strategy to an extreme. The card they've been talking about is a [B]4096[/B]-bit memory bus, clocked at a mere 500MHz, and only double-pumped, not quad-pumped. Crunch those numbers, and you get a nice, even 4096 Gb/s.
Nobody outside AMD knows if this mystery card is their top-tier card, or second-tier card. Even if that's their maximum, that's some scary bandwidth, and improvements on the process (nobody's done HBM yet, AMD will be the first) can easily bring it a lot higher in the next few iterations. Just going back up to quad-pumping will get them into the 8Tb/s range.
If that mystery card is their [I]second[/I]-tier card, though, Nvidia will be pissing blood with fear. And I suspect that it might be the case.
While we're on the subject, this explains why integrated graphics usually sucks. Desktop-level CPUs run a 128-bit memory bus, and CPU memory is double-pumped. So you've got something in the range of 400Gb/s, shared between the CPU and the integrated GPU. Which is a nice, short explanation of why they're so ass.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;47853536]While we're on the subject, this explains why integrated graphics usually sucks. Desktop-level CPUs run a 128-bit memory bus, and CPU memory is double-pumped. So you've got something in the range of 400Gb/s, shared between the CPU and the integrated GPU. Which is a nice, short explanation of why they're so ass.[/QUOTE]
But my CPU memory runs at 2400mhz :v:
But in all seriousness CPU's don't need bandwidth, they need low latency. The memory that a CPU needs is quite different than the memory that a GPU needs. You're always going to be sacrificing latency for bandwidth so integrated is never really going to be great under current standards.
Why do they charge exorbitant amounts for these cards? They're certainly not that expensive to produce. This much of a markup should be illegal. A company can make a profit all they want but there's only two good gpu producers out there and they both want to stuff their pockets so I'm stuck with s 560 Ti that I can't upgrade from on behalf of a single fucking gpu knocking out half my new computer budget. This shit is ridiculous.
I'm getting a new video card for my PC as a high school graduate gift. So when compared performance and price wise of everything mentioned in this thread, should I get two GTX 970s, or a GTX 980 Ti?
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