WATCH_DOGS delayed on Wii U... and JUST Wii U. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=morky;43861510]Nintendo is pretty much irrelevant[/QUOTE] Just because the Wii U doesn't sell well doesn't mean the DS, Wii, and 3DS do not exist

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;43860143]It seems to me like third-parties are actively trying to put it at as much a disadvantage as possible, because the more they purposely prop up the other systems over it, the more gamers flock to those systems and the more reason they have to not put games on it. Like there's a concentrated effort to force Wii U out of the console race. Why people want things down to just a PS4 versus a less-good PS4 is beyond me.[/QUOTE] The problem is, that people don't buy nintendo consoles for third party titles. And that goes for both handhelds and larger consoles. People buy them for the first party titles and don't get much beyond that.

[QUOTE=Mikemaximum;43861563]But wasn't Ubisoft saying that the Wii U would have more than the other versions with it's gamepad and stuff. What.[/QUOTE] It's suppose to have some improved features for mostly the Gamepad iirc, and unlike most thrid party devs they're actually tweaking the graphics to be somewhere between the 360/PS3 and One/PS4 as that's exactly where the console sits to begin with. From the sound of it they put in enough resources into the Wii version that cancelling it would be stupid.

Good, the more resources put into the proper PC/PS4/XBONE version the better.

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[QUOTE=Durrsly;43861825]Except it's outsourced. Literally no extra effort is used by the main team to get the Wii U version made.[/QUOTE] Isn't a different team within Ubisoft making the Wii U version similar to how Activision is handling the Wii U versions of CoD? They have a small (20~30 people) team at Treyarch doing the Wii U versions iirc.

[QUOTE=Makol;43861866]Isn't a different team within Ubisoft making the Wii U version similar to how Activision is handling the Wii U versions of CoD? They have a small (20~30 people) team at Treyarch doing the Wii U versions iirc.[/QUOTE] Yeah, outsourced wasn't the right word.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;43861921]Yeah, outsourced wasn't the right word.[/QUOTE] Insourced

[QUOTE=morky;43861510]Nintendo is pretty much irrelevant[/QUOTE] D'aww look at it! It thinks it understands things!

[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;43861560]Oh noo [img]http://images.nintendolife.com/news/2013/04/3ds_market_share_for_early_2013_shows_growth_in_north_america_and_europe/attachment/2/large.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] thank you for that chart, it basically proves in other words the core audience that watch_dogs is looking for isn't there on wii u so it's irrelevant to try and pretend it is. In japan nintendo is doing fine (and only because of their handheld) it doesn't change the fact that the wii u is failing and no one wants it. and dont act like the only reason wii u isn't being sold more is because of the fucking ports not coming out at the same time. it's because the exclusives nintendo are making don't even try to hide the fact that it's the same game with slight modifications and better graphics every fucking time they make one. Don't act like this isn't the reason wii u is failing, because as a prime example the PS3 came out in 2006, a year later than the 360, AND it was [b]600 fucking dollars[/b], but slowly re-amassed it's "playstation nation" just because of the exclusives that they've been pouring out every year since ~2007. in every other way (other than hardware specs and customization) the 360 is superior, but the PS3 started outselling it in 2012 because people want the games that are exclusive to it. no one wants nintendo exclusives. no one wants nintendo wii u call of duty ports either. that's why they have their xbox and ps4. nintendo is slowly becoming sega, except they have enough money to become sega about 20 times before they lose it all. and don't pretend that just because they have so much money that it's okay to waste it on a failing console.

I don't like hearing people say that "People didn't buy the WiiU for third party titles." The only first party game I have for my Wii U is Nintendo Land, which is fun, but I own like 5( like the only 5) third party games and am avidly waiting for more as opposed to happy cheery nintendo games( which I do love mind you)

[QUOTE=Map in a box;43866375]I don't like hearing people say that "People didn't buy the WiiU for third party titles." The only first party game I have for my Wii U is Nintendo Land, which is fun, but I own like 5( like the only 5) third party games and am avidly waiting for more as opposed to happy cheery nintendo games( which I do love mind you)[/QUOTE] I have 17 games on my Wii U (retail, all digital game are for VC) and only 7 of those are first/second party.

Yeah i have like 3 E-Shop games that aren't first party. I love the mechanic and its dissed too much. I was going to buy watchdogs for the Wii U even though I can actually now play it on the PC, but I guess i'll avoid it now because of unfortunately something trivial like this

As much as I love Nintendo. I understand Ubisofts position, I have a PS4 and Wii U and the Wii U I bought as solely a Nintendo first and second party machine with the rare third party game. I go to PS4 for all the third party games.

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;43865731]no one wants nintendo exclusives.[/quote] I'm not gonna waste my time with whatever else you wrote, but this is just plain wrong. As much as you might not like it, bud, people are allowed to like things you don't like. Heck, I've heard a lot of people say they haven't bought a Wii U yet [i]because[/i] there aren't enough Nintendo exclusives. (New Zelda, F-Zero, Starfox, Metroid, pretty much any new non-Mario game, really.) So yes, there is a demand for them, although admittedly it's not enough to sustain the console at present.

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;43865731]thank you for that chart, it basically proves in other words the core audience that watch_dogs is looking for isn't there on wii u so it's irrelevant to try and pretend it is. In japan nintendo is doing fine (and only because of their handheld) it doesn't change the fact that the wii u is failing and no one wants it. and dont act like the only reason wii u isn't being sold more is because of the fucking ports not coming out at the same time. it's because the exclusives nintendo are making don't even try to hide the fact that it's the same game with slight modifications and better graphics every fucking time they make one. Don't act like this isn't the reason wii u is failing, because as a prime example the PS3 came out in 2006, a year later than the 360, AND it was [b]600 fucking dollars[/b], but slowly re-amassed it's "playstation nation" just because of the exclusives that they've been pouring out every year since ~2007. in every other way (other than hardware specs and customization) the 360 is superior, but the PS3 started outselling it in 2012 because people want the games that are exclusive to it. no one wants nintendo exclusives. no one wants nintendo wii u call of duty ports either. that's why they have their xbox and ps4. nintendo is slowly becoming sega, except they have enough money to become sega about 20 times before they lose it all. and don't pretend that just because they have so much money that it's okay to waste it on a failing console.[/QUOTE] "Playstation nation" lmao And if you're really going to argue that Nintendo makes the same games with "slight modifications and better graphics," then why don't you tell me how Super Mario 3D World is just like the last few Mario games. Because, you've played them right? Or maybe you haven't, and you're just wrong. After all, we get one 3D Mario game a generation (so far, with the exception of Super Mario Galaxy 2 which was years after Galaxy and had tons of new content), as opposed to some Sony exclusives like Uncharted which we've had three in one generation.

[QUOTE=Kirbunny431;43868309]I'm not gonna waste my time with whatever else you wrote, but this is just plain wrong. As much as you might not like it, bud, people are allowed to like things you don't like. Heck, I've heard a lot of people say they haven't bought a Wii U yet [i]because[/i] there aren't enough Nintendo exclusives. (New Zelda, F-Zero, Starfox, Metroid, pretty much any new non-Mario game, really.) So yes, there is a demand for them, although admittedly it's not enough to sustain the console at present.[/QUOTE] Mario kart wii is an example people wanting nintendo games. It outsold GTA V by 3 million. Also 5 of the top 10 best selling games of all time are wii games.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;43868382]"Playstation nation" lmao And if you're really going to argue that Nintendo makes the same games with "slight modifications and better graphics," then why don't you tell me how Super Mario 3D World is just like the last few Mario games. Because, you've played them right? Or maybe you haven't, and you're just wrong. After all, we get one 3D Mario game a generation (so far, with the exception of Super Mario Galaxy 2 which was years after Galaxy and had tons of new content), as opposed to some Sony exclusives like Uncharted which we've had three in one generation.[/QUOTE] I like that Sony creates a new set of franchises each new generation. As opposed to Nintendo who has what, over 100 Mario games, 4 dozen Kirby games etc. [editline]11th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=VinLAURiA;43860143]It seems to me like third-parties are actively trying to put it at as much a disadvantage as possible, because the more they purposely prop up the other systems over it, the more gamers flock to those systems and the more reason they have to not put games on it. Like there's a concentrated effort to force Wii U out of the console race. Why people want things down to just a PS4 versus a less-good PS4 is beyond me.[/QUOTE] Well it doesn't help that the Wii-U is basically an overclocked PS3 power-wise. Devs probably don't want to use up resources to go through the trouble of trying to dumb down PS4/Xbone games to run on it not to mention that would limit what they could do gameplay wise if the game was for ps4/xbone/wii-u. Sure they did it with the first Wii but likely because it had a huge install base. For instance, imagine a dev wants to make a game that uses advanced physics as an important gameplay aspect, they would either have to radically change the gameplay to run it on Wii-U, dumb down the PS4 or Xbone version to match the Wii-U version, or simply not make a Wii-U version. You could see what would be the obvious choice especially considering it would probably not make much profit since the Wii-U install base is tiny.

If i was Nintendo i would wait for the game to be finished then cancel its licensing with the following reason: "Couldn't pass the quality test. Horrible game." Would harm ubisoft in the same way.

[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;43875839]If i was Nintendo i would wait for the game to be finished then cancel its licensing with the following reason: "Couldn't pass the quality test. Horrible game." Would harm ubisoft in the same way.[/QUOTE] Except Nintendo needs this more than Ubisoft.

[quote]Well it doesn't help that the Wii-U is basically an overclocked PS3 power-wise.[/quote] hahahaha what

[QUOTE=VinLAURiA;43859916][url]http://www.videogamer.com/wiiu/watch_dogs/news/watch_dogs_delayed_on_wii_u.html[/url] *sigh* They're purposefully sending it out to die. Ubisoft is gonna do this, people are gonna snatch up the other versions when they come out, and when the Wii U one comes out it'll be the same old "Why re-buy a game I played months ago?" from gamers we've heard for countless other Wii U ports. It won't sell, and Ubisoft will take that as an excuse to claim "the audience isn't there" and dial back support even further. Rayman Legends goes multiplat FROM Wii U and the Wii U one is delayed to a simultaneous release so that the other systems don't have to get it late while Wii U hogs the limelight. WATCH_DOGS goes multiplat TO Wii U and the Wii U one is delayed to [i]be[/i] late and [i]lose[/i] its simultaneous release specifically so that the other systems [i]can[/i] hog the limelight. Even the useless-as-hell Xbone is getting precedent over us, and PS4's treating it like a damn major exclusive with all the marketing they're throwing at it. Not even the [b]Gen7[/b] versions are delayed. But Wii U? Nope. I remember hoping it would [i]get[/i] a Wii U version when it was first announced so you could do all the hacking on the GamePad, and months after they grant that wish, they just [i]yank. Our goddamn. [b]Chain.[/b][/i][/QUOTE] This sounds like conspiracy theorist drivel to me. I'm going to need a lot more solid evidence before I begin to take this even remotely seriously. I see a lot of people argue "Third party developers aren't putting games on the Wii U, which is why nobody is buying it! It's all [I]their[/I] fault!" yet I have yet to see somebody mention the possibility that "Maybe if Nintendo made a console worth having, then the developers would want to put games on the Wii U?" People go to such crazy fucking lengths in these discussion and bring up this unsubstantiated conspiracy theorist bullshit to make Nintendo seem infallible before they would even deign to consider that maybe their all-mighty Nintendo could have made a single mistake just this once in their 100+ year existence and that really annoys me. Could there be a multi-company conspiracy between Sony, Microsoft, and all of the publishers to push Nintendo out of the race? Maybe. But I'm going to have to see a lot of fucking evidence first. And a few games being delayed isn't going to be enough to convince me. (Besides, Occam's Razor, if there was a grand conspiracy at work then they could just not put the game on Nintendo's consoles [I]period,[/I] they wouldn't need to jerk us around with this cloak and dagger bullshit.) This generation isn't Nintendo's generation. Oh well. It's not the end of the world guys, drop the persecution complex.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43876900] I see a lot of people argue "Third party developers aren't putting games on the Wii U, which is why nobody is buying it! It's all [I]their[/I] fault!" yet I have yet to see somebody mention the possibility that "Maybe if Nintendo made a console worth having, then the developers would want to put games on the Wii U?" People go to such crazy fucking lengths in these discussion and bring up this unsubstantiated conspiracy theorist bullshit to make Nintendo seem infallible before they would even deign to consider that maybe their all-mighty Nintendo could have made a single mistake just this once in their 100+ year existence and that really annoys me. [/QUOTE] A lot of Wii U owners from what I have seen have been saying that it's Nintendo's fault for dropping the ball on the Wii U for various reasons, but they are still not the only ones to blame since devs just poop out poorly done (missing features, terrible optimization, no graphical improvements) Xbox ports and expect to be able to sell them for full price. It's more fair to say a good chunck of the blame falls on Nintendo but there is still a good amount that the devs carry as well. And the whole Sony trying to kill Nintendo theories are nothing but bullshit since Sony has said several times the gaming industry, and Playstation, needs Nintendo to stay alive for various reasons. Dunno about Microsoft's stance on Nintendo's recent trouble since they don't seem to be commenting on it.

[QUOTE=endorphinsam;43865731] no one wants nintendo exclusives.[/QUOTE] I want Nintendo exclusives, but not on a console that's only worth it for Nintendo exclusives.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43877139]I want Nintendo exclusives, but not on a console that's only worth it for Nintendo exclusives.[/QUOTE] Basically this. If I could buy a WiiU and get more good games than just the exclusives, I'd do it. But as it stands, there isn't much in terms of variety for me to go for if I was to get a WiiU. You'd get the same E-T franchises Nintendo has been pushing out for ages. They aren't bad, but I want new IPs on the system and Nintendo themselves pushes those people away.

[QUOTE=Helix Snake;43876711]hahahaha what[/QUOTE] Much like the first Wii was to the PS2/Gamecube era, the Wii U isn't much more powerful than PS3/360 era hardware.

[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;43877836]Much like the first Wii was to the PS2/Gamecube era, the Wii U isn't much more powerful than PS3/360 era hardware.[/QUOTE] The Wii was almost literally a Gamecube with motion controls. The Wii U is completely new and is considerably better than the 360/PS3 in specs except for the CPU, depending on who you talk to. Some say it's too slow while other say it's more effecient. It's pretty much sitting dead in the middle between the 360/PS3 and the One/PS4. I guess you could say it fills the gap between the two generations. edit: Those who are rating disagree seem to have very little of an idea of what the Wii U's specs are and what devs, such as Ubisoft themselves, have said where the Wii U sits in performance and graphics. the Wii U has a much better GPU that is somwehre in the mid range of the 5000/6000 series, it also has more ram with 1GB for the OS and 1GB for games (both the 360 and PS3 had 512mb in total), and as for the main cpu there are mixed opinions on it as I have already said before.