[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38423407]As long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others. In such a case, it would.[/QUOTE]
How?
Seriously, how?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38423373]It's not ~natural~ to have cars, electricity, or aircraft but I don't see you crusading to get rid of those.[/QUOTE]
What a stupid thing to say.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38423412]How?
Seriously, how?[/QUOTE]
Because religious cults based around worship of firearms most likely are filled with crazy people, and probably go out to shoot other people and sacrifice them to the "gun god".
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38423461]Because religious cults based around worship of firearms most likely are filled with crazy people, and probably go out to shoot other people and sacrifice them to the "gun god".[/QUOTE]
Really? Can you cite this ridiculous claim?
(hint: probably not)
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38423472]Really? Can you cite this ridiculous claim?
(hint: probably not)[/QUOTE]
"Worshiping firearms."
lmao
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38423461]Because religious cults based around worship of firearms most likely are filled with crazy people, and probably go out to shoot other people and sacrifice them to the "gun god".[/QUOTE]
What if my religious cult based around the worship of firearms has a strict entrance test involving strippers and beer pong, effectively weeding out the crazies, and our sacrifices to the gun god are volunteers only. Then would it be okay?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38423483]"Worshiping firearms."
lmao[/QUOTE]
I never stated that anywhere.
This whole religious analogy is stupid and shouldn't be continued.
There are some aspects of Buddhism outlawed in the USA, and would lead to arrests if people were thought to be planning them, such as mass suicide.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38423483]"Worshiping firearms."
lmao[/QUOTE]
Why are you laughing? It's a requirement for the GOP.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38423695]Why are you laughing? It's a requirement for the GOP.[/QUOTE]
Your rank in the GOP is determined by the sum of your barrel lengths.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;38423269]Except if you lived 10,000 years ago and drafted up a list of natural rights, you could easily fit in "life, liberty and property" but not a privilege to own guns.[/QUOTE]
People had the natural right to own swords, bows, and other weapons back then.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424067]People had the natural right to own swords, bows, and other weapons back then.[/QUOTE]
and slaves
and serfs
ect ect
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38424075]and slaves
and serfs
ect ect[/QUOTE]
Slavery and serfdom violate the right to the fruits of your labor (property).
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424132]Slavery and serfdom violate the right to the fruits of your labor (property).[/QUOTE]
They still think they had natural rights to those things.
And I bet you to hell people will look back at America and other places with equal disdain.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38424159]They still think they had natural rights to those things.
And I bet you to hell people will look back at America and other places with equal disdain.[/QUOTE]
Where is it documented that the Romans had the natural right to own slaves?
Our natural rights are clear and precise.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424219]Where is it documented that the Romans had the natural right to own slaves?
Our natural rights are clear and precise.[/QUOTE]
So are you honestly saying that people didn't believe they had the natural right to those things?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38424266]So are you honestly saying that people didn't believe they had the natural right to those things?[/QUOTE]
They may have felt as though they are entitled to own slaves, but did they believe they that they (along with all other sapient lifeforms) have the fundamental right to it.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424315]They may have felt as though they are entitled to own slaves, but did they believe they that they (along with all other sapient lifeforms) have the fundamental right to it.[/QUOTE]
[I]In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas, granting the kings of Spain and Portugal the right to reduce any "Saracens, pagans and any other unbelievers" to perpetual slavery, legitimizing the slave trade.[/I]
A two second search. You cannot honestly be that dense to actually think that people haven't believed horrible things were 'natural rights' before.
Nazi's believed in a lot of 'natural rights' you know. Ever wondered why the phrase Natural Rights has some pretty bad connotations?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38424370][I]In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas, granting the kings of Spain and Portugal the right to reduce any "Saracens, pagans and any other unbelievers" to perpetual slavery, legitimizing the slave trade.[/I]
A two second search. You cannot honestly be that dense to actually think that people haven't believed horrible things were 'natural rights' before.
Nazi's believed in a lot of 'natural rights' aswell.[/QUOTE]
The right was "granted" by the Pope, which implies that it didn't stem from nature.
Again, slavery goes against the natural right to the fruits of your labor; and against the very idea of natural rights. Natural rights are rights that all sapient beings have, thus any sapient slave is also entitled to the rights of life, liberty, and property.
Godwinned.
Ever heard of The Natural Right of Kings?
More commonly and theatrically called the Divine right?
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38423254] Our rights come from nature, not from the government.[/QUOTE]
There is no such thing as natural rights.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38424414]Ever heard of The Natural Right of Kings?
More commonly and theatrically called the Divine right?[/QUOTE]
What evidence is there to support that a king's power comes from God?
There is, however, plenty of evidence that shows that taking away someone's life, liberty, aor property is a violation of their rights. Even Native Americans, who had no concept of government, capitalism, and land ownership, recognized this.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424499]What evidence is there to support that a king's power comes from God?
[/QUOTE]
Just as much evidence as that natural rights come from firearms right? :downs:
But that isn't even the [B]point.[/B] The point is, you can't make this grand stupid claims of yours as justification. If people used to think that natural rights came from gods, and we think that is stupid, are you also not on the wrong side of history?
jesus titty fucking christ I can't deal with someone as stupid as this.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38424522]Just as much evidence as that natural rights come from firearms right? :downs:
The natural right to own firearms[/quote]
The right to own a firearm is a natural right, as individuals have the right to self-defense and self-preservation, which are extensions to the right to life.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;38424522]But that isn't even the [B]point.[/B] The point is, you can't make this grand stupid claims of yours as justification.
jesus titty fucking christ I can't deal with someone as stupid as this.[/QUOTE]
Again, you have to resort to insults.
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424499]There is, however, plenty of evidence that shows that taking away someone's life, liberty, aor property is a violation of their rights.[/QUOTE]
Evidence showing that?
what
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424580]The right to own a firearm is a natural right, as individuals have the right to self-defense and self-preservation, which are extensions to the right to life.
[/QUOTE]
Says who?
This guy seriously is a mind fuck. Does he even understand why people were rating him funny?
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[QUOTE=Mingebox;38424603]Says who?[/QUOTE]
says ~nature~
[QUOTE=Swazi Spring;38424580]The right to own a firearm is a natural right, as individuals have the right to self-defense and self-preservation, which are extensions to the right to life.[/QUOTE]
Gun control is natural.
Prove me wrong. :)
[QUOTE=Mingebox;38424603]Says who?[/QUOTE]
The first known record of codified natural rights comes from John Locke.
[img]http://www2.swaylocks.com/files/images/2010/07/fat_hairy_guy_on_bed_with_guns_0.jpg[/img]
I have exactly 8 more natural rights than you.
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