Christian bakery under fire for not making cake with logo of activist group - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45340302]Right, but denying something in support of gay rights and stuff is kinda indicative of homophobia in general.[/QUOTE] I think that's a bit extreme. That's like saying if you deny support to a country overseas countries then it's kinda indicative of xenophobe.

this just seems weird but i think the bakery in this case is in the right, they just refused to do the order and did give them a refund, its not like they are the [I]only[/I] place to get a cake

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45340366]Depends, are you denying LGBT things? Because that seems fairly discriminatory. And if you don't support LGBT rights, then you're probably a homophobe, it's not like sitting on the fence about these issues is a reasonable stance by any stretch. What weird leaps of logic would be required to not be a homophobe, and still not support LGBT stuff?[/QUOTE] Stonewall until recently were opposed to gay marriage.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340339]ok stop right there. they're homophobic. that means they are wrong and should stop being prejudiced assholes and it's why they are being sued for discrimination. you aren't allowed to let your homophobia or whatever shit bigotry you have influence you when you provide a service to the public. i don't see what's hard about this.[/QUOTE] Businesses may not refuse services to customers based on [I]sexuality[/I]. This business refused service to a customer based on the specific details of their order. The [I]sexuality [/I]of the customer has precisely zero bearing on the order being refused. The nature of the order had bearing on the order being refused.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340361]Believe it or not, people are allowed to have unpopular opinions. It's about decorating a cake with a political statement.[/QUOTE] homophobia isn't an opinion so don't prop it up like it is.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340409]homophobia isn't an opinion so don't prop it up like it is.[/QUOTE] How is it [I]not[/I] an opinion? It's a subjective viewpoint on the world. It's a retarded opinion, yeah, but it's still an opinion.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340409]homophobia isn't an opinion so don't prop it up like it is.[/QUOTE] What is it then? And again - you're making this leap of doesn't want to support an organisation that probably has political goals diametrically opposed to their own -> they're a bunch of homophobes -> the full force of the state should be brought down upon them. I'd take a homophobe over someone like you any day of the week.

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45340390]Businesses may not refuse services to customers based on [I]sexuality[/I]. This business refused service to a customer based on the specific details of their order.[/QUOTE] lol seriously dude. "we're not refusing your order because you're gay but because the specific detail of your order includes gay stuff" it's the same fucking thing. they are refusing it because of their homophobia. if a traditional marriage cake is OK and a gay marriage cake isn't, that is fucking discrimination.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340426]What is it then? And again - you're making this leap of doesn't want to support an organisation that probably has political goals diametrically opposed to their own -> they're a bunch of homophobes -> the full force of the state should be brought down upon them. I'd take a homophobe over someone like you any day of the week.[/QUOTE] Yes. I think a company who refuses to serve a segment of the population due to their religious views should be punished by a government charged with upholding the rights of every citizen regardless of race, sexual or gender identity, and politics.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340435]lol seriously dude. "we're not refusing your order because you're gay but because the specific detail of your order includes gay stuff" it's the same fucking thing. they are refusing it because of their homophobia. if a traditional marriage cake is OK and a gay marriage cake isn't, that is fucking discrimination.[/QUOTE] So all the MPs who voted against gay marriage, can they be sued as well?

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45340390]Businesses may not refuse services to customers based on [I]sexuality[/I]. This business refused service to a customer based on the specific details of their order. The [I]sexuality [/I]of the customer has precisely zero bearing on the order being refused. The nature of the order had bearing on the order being refused.[/QUOTE] This is actually completely wrong and you should probably read the article before posting anymore.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340426]What is it then?[/quote] irrational hatred [quote]And again - you're making this leap of doesn't want to support an organisation that probably has political goals diametrically opposed to their own -> they're a bunch of homophobes -> the full force of the state should be brought down upon them.[/quote] goals like what? supporting LGBT people in the public sphere? if you're diametrically opposed to something like that then yeah go get fucked. [quote]I'd take a homophobe over someone like you any day of the week.[/QUOTE] congratulations would you like a medal? [editline]9th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=lazyguy;45340466]So all the MPs who voted against gay marriage, can they be sued as well?[/QUOTE] i wish

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340435]lol seriously dude. "we're not refusing your order because you're gay but because the specific detail of your order includes gay stuff" it's the same fucking thing. they are refusing it because of their homophobia. if a traditional marriage cake is OK and a gay marriage cake isn't, that is fucking discrimination.[/QUOTE] It is discrimination, but their discriminating against the cakes, something that businesses are allowed to do (pick and choose which contracts they want to take up). What they may not do is discriminate against customers based on their sexuality, and that's not what they're doing here, [B]because straight people would be refused service for that cake too.[/B]

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340474]goals like what? supporting LGBT people in the public sphere? if you're diametrically opposed to something like that then yeah go get fucked.[/quote] Gay marriage, which, believe it or not, is a controversial issue. [quote]i wish[/QUOTE] Get fucked yourself, fascist. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming yet again" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45340492]It is discrimination, but their discriminating against the cakes[/QUOTE] are you fucking serious. i refuse to believe you are this spectacularly thick-headed and missing the point of the issue.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45340473]This is actually completely wrong and you should probably read the article before posting anymore.[/QUOTE] Maybe I'm missing it, but I'm not seeing where I've gone completely wrong.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340506]Gay marriage, which, believe it or not, is a controversial issue.[/QUOTE] Gay marriage is controversial like global warming is controversial. It's basically some people who think every person deserves the respect and dignity of a formal legal ceremony and people who disagree because of their 2000 year old desert ideology. [QUOTE=lazyguy;45340506]Get fucked yourself, fascist.[/QUOTE] Facism is government in our bedrooms telling us who we are and are not allowed to legally marry.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340506]Get fucked yourself, fascist.[/QUOTE] Hating bigots is not in itself bigotry. Trying to stop bigots being bigots is not fascism. I swear, this can't be a real person posting can it?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340522]are you fucking serious. i refuse to believe you are this spectacularly thick-headed and missing the point of the issue.[/QUOTE] How can they be refusing service to someone simply because they're gay, if they'd also refuse service to a straight person under the same circumstances?

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45340526]Maybe I'm missing it, but I'm not seeing where I've gone completely wrong.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The firm's 24-year-old general manager, Daniel McArthur, said marriage in Northern Ireland "still is defined as being a union between one man and one woman" and said his company was taking "a stand". The customer placed the order in Ashers' Belfast branch a number of weeks ago, and it was then passed to their head office. In an online statement, Mr McArthur said: "The directors and myself looked at it and considered it and thought that this order was at odds with our beliefs. "It certainly was at odds with what the Bible teaches, and on the following Monday we rang the customer to let him know that we couldn't take his order."[/QUOTE] It's clearly about gay marriage and how much the GM doesn't like it. Bible doesn't have much on cake decorating.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340506]Gay marriage, which, believe it or not, is a controversial issue.[/quote] if you're against gay marriage you are wrong and you are a terrible person. true facts. [quote]Get fucked yourself, fascist.[/QUOTE] don't use words you don't understand.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45340532]Gay marriage is controversial like global warming is controversial. It's basically some people who think every person the respect and dignity of a formal legal ceremony and people who disagree because of their 2000 year old desert ideology.[/quote] If you want a legal ceremony that's what civil partnerships are for.[quote] Facism is government in our bedrooms telling us who we are and are not allowed to legally marry.[/QUOTE] Fascism is bringing the threat of government on those who hold unfashionable opinions.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45340549]It's clearly about gay marriage and how much the GM doesn't like it. Bible doesn't have much on cake decorating.[/QUOTE] I know, are you sure you've read my posts?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45340535]Hating bigots is not in itself bigotry. Trying to stop bigots being bigots is not fascism. I swear, this can't be a real person posting can it?[/QUOTE] You're wanting to use government coercion to criminalise people you disagree with. Unfortunately, I know you are a real person. I so, so wish you weren't.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340506]Get fucked yourself, fascist.[/QUOTE] get a load of this guy

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340566]If you want a legal ceremony that's what civil partnerships are for.[/QUOTE] Monotheistic religions don't have a monopoly on marriage. Which is a good thing because wow the Bible has some fucked up stuff about marriage. [QUOTE=lazyguy;45340566]Fascism is bringing the threat of government on those who hold unfashionable opinions.[/QUOTE] It's not just an opinion though its actions.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340566]If you want a legal ceremony that's what civil partnerships are for.[/quote] fuck off with your "separate but equal" bullshit. [quote]Fascism is bringing the threat of government on those who hold unfashionable opinions.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45340409]homophobia isn't an opinion so don't prop it up like it is.[/QUOTE] stop the oppression of homophobes!!! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("threadshitting" - Orkel))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;45340567]I know, are you sure you've read my posts?[/QUOTE] Yes and they are all spectacularly wrong in trying to make it seem like it's about cakes and not religion or politics.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;45340579]You're wanting to use government coercion to criminalise people you disagree with. Unfortunately, I know you are a real person. I so, so wish you weren't.[/QUOTE] I dunno man, the guys who [B]run the fucking country[/B] holding backwards opinions like "eww bummers don't like it" and actively trying to suppress an entire group of people sounds a lot more bigoted and fascist than telling those guys to fuck off and work at Tesco or something.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;45340605]Yes and they are all spectacularly wrong in trying to make it seem like it's about cakes and not religion or politics.[/QUOTE] It is about religion and politics, though. My point is that the determining factor in their choosing to reject the order was the presence of the logo, [I]not[/I] the sexuality of the customer.